Turn log level to 4. What is the font debug info printed at start?
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hi,
i just upgraded from 52.1 to 52.2 on Windows 10.
i noticed:
first: text in Pd-console looks much clearer.
then: in 52.1 (and before(?)) the font in the Pd-console was different from the one in the patches.
now in 52.2 the font in the console and in the patches seems the same, BUT the patches look like having an ugly bold version.
i was used to that, but of course now i would like to have the same clear image as in the console.
rolf
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
@Dan
pdfontloader loaded DejaVuSansMono.ttf pdfontloader loaded DejaVuSansMono-Bold.ttf pdfontloader loaded DejaVuSansMono-Oblique.ttf pdfontloader loaded DejaVuSansMono-BoldOblique.ttf
Dan Wilcox schreef op 08-04-2022 13:48:
Turn log level to 4. What is the font debug info printed at start?
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hi,
i just upgraded from 52.1 to 52.2 on Windows 10.
i noticed:
first: text in Pd-console looks much clearer.
then: in 52.1 (and before(?)) the font in the Pd-console was different from the one in the patches.
now in 52.2 the font in the console and in the patches seems the same, BUT the patches look like having an ugly bold version.
i was used to that, but of course now i would like to have the same clear image as in the console.
rolf
Dan Wilcox @danomatika [1] danomatika.com [2] robotcowboy.com [3]
Links:
[1] http://twitter.com/danomatika [2] http://danomatika.com [3] http://robotcowboy.com
"-font-weight normal" did the trick.
thanks a lot.
rolf
@Dan
i gave you incomplete debug info, should be this:
pdfontloader loaded DejaVuSansMono.ttf pdfontloader loaded DejaVuSansMono-Bold.ttf pdfontloader loaded DejaVuSansMono-Oblique.ttf pdfontloader loaded DejaVuSansMono-BoldOblique.ttf 'pd-gui' connecting to 'pd' on localhost 5331 ... ------------------ done with main ---------------------- Tk 8.6.10 detected font: DejaVu Sans Mono using font: DejaVu Sans Mono bold
rolf
Dan Wilcox schreef op 08-04-2022 13:48:
Turn log level to 4. What is the font debug info printed at start?
On Apr 8, 2022, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote: Message: 1 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2022 11:35:39 +0200 From: rolfm@dds.nl To: Pd list pd-list@lists.iem.at Subject: [PD] Pd 52.2 different font in console? Message-ID: f1c508c0d87b465501c62d30662a23fe@dds.nl Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
hi,
i just upgraded from 52.1 to 52.2 on Windows 10.
i noticed:
first: text in Pd-console looks much clearer.
then: in 52.1 (and before(?)) the font in the Pd-console was different from the one in the patches.
now in 52.2 the font in the console and in the patches seems the same, BUT the patches look like having an ugly bold version.
i was used to that, but of course now i would like to have the same clear image as in the console.
rolf
Dan Wilcox @danomatika [1] danomatika.com [2] robotcowboy.com [3]
Links:
[1] http://twitter.com/danomatika [2] http://danomatika.com [3] http://robotcowboy.com
The font detection & loading looks like it's working fine via our custom pdfontloader:
https://github.com/pure-data/pdfontloader https://github.com/pure-data/pdfontloader
The font on Windows and Linux has always been bold:
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/font/README.txt#L33 https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/font/README.txt#L33
What may have changed is how Tk calls the Windows API to do the rendering. I would ask more of a Windows dev about this (Christof, Lucarda, etc).
How does it look if you add "-font-weight normal" to the startup flags and restart Pd? To confirm, the using font line should the change to:
using font: DejaVu Sans Mono normal
Another thing to try: "-font-face Courier" then see if the rendering is better with a native font for the system. If so, this could indicate some issue or change with how we load a local TTF font file.
On Apr 9, 2022, at 12:01 PM, rolfm@dds.nl wrote:
@Dan
i gave you incomplete debug info, should be this:
pdfontloader loaded DejaVuSansMono.ttf pdfontloader loaded DejaVuSansMono-Bold.ttf pdfontloader loaded DejaVuSansMono-Oblique.ttf pdfontloader loaded DejaVuSansMono-BoldOblique.ttf 'pd-gui' connecting to 'pd' on localhost 5331 ... ------------------ done with main ---------------------- Tk 8.6.10 detected font: DejaVu Sans Mono using font: DejaVu Sans Mono bold
rolf
Dan Wilcox schreef op 08-04-2022 13:48:
Turn log level to 4. What is the font debug info printed at start?
On Apr 8, 2022, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
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hi,
i just upgraded from 52.1 to 52.2 on Windows 10.
i noticed:
first: text in Pd-console looks much clearer.
then: in 52.1 (and before(?)) the font in the Pd-console was different from the one in the patches.
now in 52.2 the font in the console and in the patches seems the same, BUT the patches look like having an ugly bold version.
i was used to that, but of course now i would like to have the same clear image as in the console.
rolf
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
Howdy Windows peeps,
I wonder if the pdfontloader needs to be recompiled for TK 8.6+. I believe the build distributed with Pd on Windows was built for Tk 8.5.
On Apr 9, 2022, at 12:42 PM, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
The font detection & loading looks like it's working fine via our custom pdfontloader:
https://github.com/pure-data/pdfontloader https://github.com/pure-data/pdfontloader
The font on Windows and Linux has always been bold:
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/font/README.txt#L33 https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/font/README.txt#L33
What may have changed is how Tk calls the Windows API to do the rendering. I would ask more of a Windows dev about this (Christof, Lucarda, etc).
How does it look if you add "-font-weight normal" to the startup flags and restart Pd? To confirm, the using font line should the change to:
using font: DejaVu Sans Mono normal
Another thing to try: "-font-face Courier" then see if the rendering is better with a native font for the system. If so, this could indicate some issue or change with how we load a local TTF font file.
On Apr 9, 2022, at 12:01 PM, rolfm@dds.nl mailto:rolfm@dds.nl wrote:
@Dan
i gave you incomplete debug info, should be this:
pdfontloader loaded DejaVuSansMono.ttf pdfontloader loaded DejaVuSansMono-Bold.ttf pdfontloader loaded DejaVuSansMono-Oblique.ttf pdfontloader loaded DejaVuSansMono-BoldOblique.ttf 'pd-gui' connecting to 'pd' on localhost 5331 ... ------------------ done with main ---------------------- Tk 8.6.10 detected font: DejaVu Sans Mono using font: DejaVu Sans Mono bold
rolf
Dan Wilcox schreef op 08-04-2022 13:48:
Turn log level to 4. What is the font debug info printed at start?
On Apr 8, 2022, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
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hi,
i just upgraded from 52.1 to 52.2 on Windows 10.
i noticed:
first: text in Pd-console looks much clearer.
then: in 52.1 (and before(?)) the font in the Pd-console was different from the one in the patches.
now in 52.2 the font in the console and in the patches seems the same, BUT the patches look like having an ugly bold version.
i was used to that, but of course now i would like to have the same clear image as in the console.
rolf
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
@Dan
pdfontloader is working ok for our needs. We have the following:
pure-data/msw/pdprototype.tgz has an "tcl/tk-85-i386" dll
and
pure-data/msw/pdfontloader-64bit-for-wish86.zip has an
"tcl/tk-86-amd64" dll
They get extracted accordingly on Miller's builds. It also works when
building Pd with autotools that gets the i386:(wish85.exe tclsh85.exe)
from pdprototype.tgz
--
Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
On 09/04/2022 07:46, Dan Wilcox wrote:
Howdy Windows peeps,
I wonder if the pdfontloader needs to be recompiled for TK 8.6+. I believe the build distributed with Pd on Windows was built for Tk 8.5.
On Apr 9, 2022, at 12:42 PM, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
The font detection & loading looks like it's working fine via our custom pdfontloader:
https://github.com/pure-data/pdfontloader
The font on Windows and Linux has always been bold:
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/font/README.txt#L33
What may have changed is how Tk calls the Windows API to do the rendering. I would ask more of a Windows dev about this (Christof, Lucarda, etc).
How does it look if you add "-font-weight normal" to the startup flags and restart Pd? To confirm, the using font line should the change to:
using font: DejaVu Sans Mono normal
Another thing to try: "-font-face Courier" then see if the rendering is better with a native font for the system. If so, this could indicate some issue or change with how we load a local TTF font file.
On Apr 9, 2022, at 12:01 PM, rolfm@dds.nl wrote:
@Dan
i gave you incomplete debug info, should be this:
pdfontloader loaded DejaVuSansMono.ttf pdfontloader loaded DejaVuSansMono-Bold.ttf pdfontloader loaded DejaVuSansMono-Oblique.ttf pdfontloader loaded DejaVuSansMono-BoldOblique.ttf 'pd-gui' connecting to 'pd' on localhost 5331 ... ------------------ done with main ---------------------- Tk 8.6.10 detected font: DejaVu Sans Mono using font: DejaVu Sans Mono bold
rolf
Dan Wilcox schreef op 08-04-2022 13:48:
Turn log level to 4. What is the font debug info printed at start?
On Apr 8, 2022, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
Message: 1 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2022 11:35:39 +0200 From:rolfm@dds.nl To: Pd list pd-list@lists.iem.at Subject: [PD] Pd 52.2 different font in console? Message-ID: f1c508c0d87b465501c62d30662a23fe@dds.nl Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
hi,
i just upgraded from 52.1 to 52.2 on Windows 10.
i noticed:
first: text in Pd-console looks much clearer.
then: in 52.1 (and before(?)) the font in the Pd-console was different from the one in the patches.
now in 52.2 the font in the console and in the patches seems the same, BUT the patches look like having an ugly bold version.
i was used to that, but of course now i would like to have the same clear image as in the console.
rolf
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com
Ok thanks for checking. I wrote the TCL extension some 4 years ago now and haven’t looked at it since. It’s very simple so I would be surprised if the behavior changed.
enohp ym morf tnes
Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
On Apr 10, 2022, at 1:05 AM, Lucas Cordiviola lucarda27@hotmail.com wrote:
@Dan
pdfontloader is working ok for our needs. We have the following:
pure-data/msw/pdprototype.tgzhas an "tcl/tk-85-i386" dlland
pure-data/msw/pdfontloader-64bit-for-wish86.ziphas an "tcl/tk-86-amd64" dllThey get extracted accordingly on Miller's builds. It also works when building Pd with autotools that gets the i386:(wish85.exe tclsh85.exe) from
pdprototype.tgz--
Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
On 09/04/2022 07:46, Dan Wilcox wrote: Howdy Windows peeps,
I wonder if the pdfontloader needs to be recompiled for TK 8.6+. I believe the build distributed with Pd on Windows was built for Tk 8.5.
On Apr 9, 2022, at 12:42 PM, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
The font detection & loading looks like it's working fine via our custom pdfontloader:
https://github.com/pure-data/pdfontloader
The font on Windows and Linux has always been bold:
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/font/README.txt#L33
What may have changed is how Tk calls the Windows API to do the rendering. I would ask more of a Windows dev about this (Christof, Lucarda, etc).
How does it look if you add "-font-weight normal" to the startup flags and restart Pd? To confirm, the using font line should the change to:
using font: DejaVu Sans Mono normal
Another thing to try: "-font-face Courier" then see if the rendering is better with a native font for the system. If so, this could indicate some issue or change with how we load a local TTF font file.
On Apr 9, 2022, at 12:01 PM, rolfm@dds.nl wrote:
@Dan
i gave you incomplete debug info, should be this:
pdfontloader loaded DejaVuSansMono.ttf pdfontloader loaded DejaVuSansMono-Bold.ttf pdfontloader loaded DejaVuSansMono-Oblique.ttf pdfontloader loaded DejaVuSansMono-BoldOblique.ttf 'pd-gui' connecting to 'pd' on localhost 5331 ... ------------------ done with main ---------------------- Tk 8.6.10 detected font: DejaVu Sans Mono using font: DejaVu Sans Mono bold
rolf
Dan Wilcox schreef op 08-04-2022 13:48:
Turn log level to 4. What is the font debug info printed at start?
On Apr 8, 2022, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
Message: 1 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2022 11:35:39 +0200 From: rolfm@dds.nl To: Pd list pd-list@lists.iem.at Subject: [PD] Pd 52.2 different font in console? Message-ID: f1c508c0d87b465501c62d30662a23fe@dds.nl Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
hi,
i just upgraded from 52.1 to 52.2 on Windows 10.
i noticed:
first: text in Pd-console looks much clearer.
then: in 52.1 (and before(?)) the font in the Pd-console was different from the one in the patches.
now in 52.2 the font in the console and in the patches seems the same, BUT the patches look like having an ugly bold version.
i was used to that, but of course now i would like to have the same clear image as in the console.
rolf
Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
while we're at it. I also see a difference in the console font for 0.52-2. I'm on mac and it's using menlo normal as before. The thing is that the text looks bigger and the text I print on the terminal when loading my 'else' external doesn't really fit as before. I was able to change the console font to '10' and it fits now, but it also looks tinier.
It also seems that at one point the console font was smaller than the default patch font and this got fixed recently?
anyway, I'll just change the text my external loads so it currently better fits the console window with a font size of 12, which I think it's what the console for everyone looks like.
cheers
Em sex., 8 de abr. de 2022 às 08:50, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com escreveu:
Turn log level to 4. What is the font debug info printed at start?
On Apr 8, 2022, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
Message: 1 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2022 11:35:39 +0200 From: rolfm@dds.nl To: Pd list pd-list@lists.iem.at Subject: [PD] Pd 52.2 different font in console? Message-ID: f1c508c0d87b465501c62d30662a23fe@dds.nl Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
hi,
i just upgraded from 52.1 to 52.2 on Windows 10.
i noticed:
first: text in Pd-console looks much clearer.
then: in 52.1 (and before(?)) the font in the Pd-console was different from the one in the patches.
now in 52.2 the font in the console and in the patches seems the same, BUT the patches look like having an ugly bold version.
i was used to that, but of course now i would like to have the same clear image as in the console.
rolf
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
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Didn't you and IOhannes discuss this ad nauseam on GitHub? In any case, I believe the console font can now be set by the Edit->Font dialog when the Pd window is in focus. By default, I imagine it uses the default font size you yourself changed with in Pd: 12. Since you can easily change this value, there isn't really an issue, is there?
On Apr 9, 2022, at 6:03 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com wrote:
while we're at it. I also see a difference in the console font for 0.52-2. I'm on mac and it's using menlo normal as before. The thing is that the text looks bigger and the text I print on the terminal when loading my 'else' external doesn't really fit as before. I was able to change the console font to '10' and it fits now, but it also looks tinier.
It also seems that at one point the console font was smaller than the default patch font and this got fixed recently?
anyway, I'll just change the text my external loads so it currently better fits the console window with a font size of 12, which I think it's what the console for everyone looks like.
cheers
Em sex., 8 de abr. de 2022 às 08:50, Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.com mailto:danomatika@gmail.com> escreveu: Turn log level to 4. What is the font debug info printed at start?
On Apr 8, 2022, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
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hi,
i just upgraded from 52.1 to 52.2 on Windows 10.
i noticed:
first: text in Pd-console looks much clearer.
then: in 52.1 (and before(?)) the font in the Pd-console was different from the one in the patches.
now in 52.2 the font in the console and in the patches seems the same, BUT the patches look like having an ugly bold version.
i was used to that, but of course now i would like to have the same clear image as in the console.
rolf
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
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Em sáb., 9 de abr. de 2022 às 14:07, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com escreveu:
Didn't you and IOhannes discuss this ad nauseam on GitHub?
I guess you mean this https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/1183 I opened an issue but didn't discuss it through the end, but you guy did and the issue was closed.
In any case, I believe the console font can now be set by the Edit->Font dialog when the Pd window is in focus. By default, I imagine it uses the default font size you yourself changed with in Pd: 12. Since you can easily change this value, there isn't really an issue, is there?
The issue now is a different one and it is that the display seems to be different. Before, a font size of 12 did fit nicely, now it doesn't. At least that's what I perceived, but I might be wrong and was actually checking here. My concern is that maybe the rendering changed or something, and when this issue came up here I thought I'd bring it up to see if there could be a relation.
Here are some screenshots, left is 0.52-1, right is 0.52-2, left has font size = 12, first we compare to the right with font size = 12, then font size = 10.
Font = 12 looks quite bigger, Font = 10 looks too small.
Nonetheless, I have changed the text the 'else' binary shows to what seems to look nice now and I just hope it looks the same on all platforms (I can't check).
cheers
On Apr 9, 2022, at 6:03 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com wrote:
while we're at it. I also see a difference in the console font for 0.52-2. I'm on mac and it's using menlo normal as before. The thing is that the text looks bigger and the text I print on the terminal when loading my 'else' external doesn't really fit as before. I was able to change the console font to '10' and it fits now, but it also looks tinier.
It also seems that at one point the console font was smaller than the default patch font and this got fixed recently?
anyway, I'll just change the text my external loads so it currently better fits the console window with a font size of 12, which I think it's what the console for everyone looks like.
cheers
Em sex., 8 de abr. de 2022 às 08:50, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com escreveu:
Turn log level to 4. What is the font debug info printed at start?
On Apr 8, 2022, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
Message: 1 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2022 11:35:39 +0200 From: rolfm@dds.nl To: Pd list pd-list@lists.iem.at Subject: [PD] Pd 52.2 different font in console? Message-ID: f1c508c0d87b465501c62d30662a23fe@dds.nl Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
hi,
i just upgraded from 52.1 to 52.2 on Windows 10.
i noticed:
first: text in Pd-console looks much clearer.
then: in 52.1 (and before(?)) the font in the Pd-console was different from the one in the patches.
now in 52.2 the font in the console and in the patches seems the same, BUT the patches look like having an ugly bold version.
i was used to that, but of course now i would like to have the same clear image as in the console.
rolf
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
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I would say that you probably shouldn't make a layout that expects a specific console width or font size... it can always be different. But on the other hand, that is only a suggestion. :)
On Apr 9, 2022, at 8:48 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com wrote:
Em sáb., 9 de abr. de 2022 às 14:07, Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.com mailto:danomatika@gmail.com> escreveu: Didn't you and IOhannes discuss this ad nauseam on GitHub?
I guess you mean this https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/1183 https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/1183 I opened an issue but didn't discuss it through the end, but you guy did and the issue was closed.
In any case, I believe the console font can now be set by the Edit->Font dialog when the Pd window is in focus. By default, I imagine it uses the default font size you yourself changed with in Pd: 12. Since you can easily change this value, there isn't really an issue, is there?
The issue now is a different one and it is that the display seems to be different. Before, a font size of 12 did fit nicely, now it doesn't. At least that's what I perceived, but I might be wrong and was actually checking here. My concern is that maybe the rendering changed or something, and when this issue came up here I thought I'd bring it up to see if there could be a relation.
Here are some screenshots, left is 0.52-1, right is 0.52-2, left has font size = 12, first we compare to the right with font size = 12, then font size = 10.
Font = 12 looks quite bigger, Font = 10 looks too small.
Nonetheless, I have changed the text the 'else' binary shows to what seems to look nice now and I just hope it looks the same on all platforms (I can't check).
cheers
On Apr 9, 2022, at 6:03 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres <porres@gmail.com mailto:porres@gmail.com> wrote:
while we're at it. I also see a difference in the console font for 0.52-2. I'm on mac and it's using menlo normal as before. The thing is that the text looks bigger and the text I print on the terminal when loading my 'else' external doesn't really fit as before. I was able to change the console font to '10' and it fits now, but it also looks tinier.
It also seems that at one point the console font was smaller than the default patch font and this got fixed recently?
anyway, I'll just change the text my external loads so it currently better fits the console window with a font size of 12, which I think it's what the console for everyone looks like.
cheers
Em sex., 8 de abr. de 2022 às 08:50, Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.com mailto:danomatika@gmail.com> escreveu: Turn log level to 4. What is the font debug info printed at start?
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hi,
i just upgraded from 52.1 to 52.2 on Windows 10.
i noticed:
first: text in Pd-console looks much clearer.
then: in 52.1 (and before(?)) the font in the Pd-console was different from the one in the patches.
now in 52.2 the font in the console and in the patches seems the same, BUT the patches look like having an ugly bold version.
i was used to that, but of course now i would like to have the same clear image as in the console.
rolf
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On Sat, 2022-04-09 at 15:48 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
The issue now is a different one and it is that the display seems to be different. Before, a font size of 12 did fit nicely, now it doesn't. At least that's what I perceived, but I might be wrong and was actually checking here. My concern is that maybe the rendering changed or something, and when this issue came up here I thought I'd bring it up to see if there could be a relation.
Here are some screenshots, left is 0.52-1, right is 0.52-2, left has font size = 12, first we compare to the right with font size = 12, then font size = 10.
I'm bear some of the blame for this. I found it odd that the Pd console doesn't use monospaced font (since consoles usually use a monospaced font) and opened an issue:
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/1558
Then it became clear that the font was supposed to be monospaced all along but it wasn't implemented properly. This issue was tagged 'bug' and got fixed quickly by IOhannes. 0.52-2 was the next release after this got merged.
@Alex: I see how this breaks the appearance of the ELSE banner in the console and I'm sorry for that. I reckon it uses some ASCII-art which doesn't work well with non-monospaced fonts. At least, in the future you'll get a reliable look. There are other external banners that use ASCII-art-like decorations. Personally, I find it often easier to follow the printed messages of a patch when the font uses a consistent width.
Re bigger: I imagine what is a comfortable window size is dependent on the output medium. When working on an external 4K monitor, I keep dragging many of Pd's windows larger all the time, especially the file dialog, which to me has a ridiculously small default size. I mean: I find the font size OK, but the Pd window too narrow. For my local install, I changed it to 700x400 in tcl/pdwindow.tcl:395
Roman
It's fine Roman, thanks for the clarification ;)
I like that it looks bigger now!
Perhaps we can make Pd remember the last window size and keep it. It seems that if you adjust, it gets lost.
cheers
Em sáb., 9 de abr. de 2022 às 18:12, Roman Haefeli reduzent@gmail.com escreveu:
On Sat, 2022-04-09 at 15:48 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
The issue now is a different one and it is that the display seems to be different. Before, a font size of 12 did fit nicely, now it doesn't. At least that's what I perceived, but I might be wrong and was actually checking here. My concern is that maybe the rendering changed or something, and when this issue came up here I thought I'd bring it up to see if there could be a relation.
Here are some screenshots, left is 0.52-1, right is 0.52-2, left has font size = 12, first we compare to the right with font size = 12, then font size = 10.
I'm bear some of the blame for this. I found it odd that the Pd console doesn't use monospaced font (since consoles usually use a monospaced font) and opened an issue:
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/1558
Then it became clear that the font was supposed to be monospaced all along but it wasn't implemented properly. This issue was tagged 'bug' and got fixed quickly by IOhannes. 0.52-2 was the next release after this got merged.
@Alex: I see how this breaks the appearance of the ELSE banner in the console and I'm sorry for that. I reckon it uses some ASCII-art which doesn't work well with non-monospaced fonts. At least, in the future you'll get a reliable look. There are other external banners that use ASCII-art-like decorations. Personally, I find it often easier to follow the printed messages of a patch when the font uses a consistent width.
Re bigger: I imagine what is a comfortable window size is dependent on the output medium. When working on an external 4K monitor, I keep dragging many of Pd's windows larger all the time, especially the file dialog, which to me has a ridiculously small default size. I mean: I find the font size OK, but the Pd window too narrow. For my local install, I changed it to 700x400 in tcl/pdwindow.tcl:395
Roman
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