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From: m.e.grimm megrimm@gmail.com To: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at Cc: Pd List pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.43.1 beta builds

hey Hans,

I am just wondering. As far as all the help patches go in extended, especially for teaching purposes and also "out of the box", are we planning on implementing [import] in all patches in final release? Many (most) help patches get ".. couldn't create" out of the box from PD help browser.

All objects in the help patches I sampled from the doc browser got created correctly on Debian Wheezy 64-bit.  (Tried patches from cyclone, mapping, and several other libs.)

Which help patches give you these errors, and on which OS?

And I agree with the whole using [import], [declare], [ggee/shell], etc thing to load libraries rather than the old plist way but then im sure your aware all the help patches will need to load these libraries....

just thought I would ask what the plan is on that...

Libdir help patches don't need any changes since they are located in the same directory as the binaries for the classes they reference.

References to objects in other libraries are made with the pddp/helplink object in the form of [pddp/helplink lib/objectname].

There may be stray externals in some supplementary help patches like tutorials in the form [objectname].

-Jonathan

Cheers m

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:

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At this point, the Pd-extended 0.43.1 builds are definitely beta quality.

I have fixed all bugs that I could find, and I just taught a class with it.  Its working well.  Please try it out with your patches and let me know what you find:

...

http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/

.hc

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When you get a "couldn't create" in a help patch, that's a bug that should be filed in the tracker. Even better, attach the fixed help patch.

.hc

On Feb 1, 2012, at 10:01 AM, m.e.grimm wrote:

ok... maybe i spoke to fast regarding "many/most"

sorry.

im on osx and i think i was specifically talking about Gem help patches witch i forgot to mention.

so yes... "many/most" Gem help patches cant create object out of the box....

some in some other libs too... sfruit, zexy (needs [import hexloader]?, some others....

m

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com wrote:

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From: m.e.grimm megrimm@gmail.com To: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at Cc: Pd List pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.43.1 beta builds

hey Hans,

I am just wondering. As far as all the help patches go in extended, especially for teaching purposes and also "out of the box", are we planning on implementing [import] in all patches in final release? Many (most) help patches get ".. couldn't create" out of the box from PD help browser.

All objects in the help patches I sampled from the doc browser got created correctly on Debian Wheezy 64-bit. (Tried patches from cyclone, mapping, and several other libs.)

Which help patches give you these errors, and on which OS?

...

And I agree with the whole using [import], [declare], [ggee/shell], etc thing to load libraries rather than the old plist way but then im sure your aware all the help patches will need to load these libraries....

just thought I would ask what the plan is on that...

Libdir help patches don't need any changes since they are located in the same directory as the binaries for the classes they reference.

References to objects in other libraries are made with the pddp/helplink object in the form of [pddp/helplink lib/objectname].

There may be stray externals in some supplementary help patches like tutorials in the form [objectname].

-Jonathan

...

Cheers m

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:

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At this point, the Pd-extended 0.43.1 builds are definitely beta quality.

I have fixed all bugs that I could find, and I just taught a class with it. Its working well. Please try it out with your patches and let me know what you find:

...

http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/

.hc

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This happens often on Mac OS X because the [pd META] subpatch gets obscured by the little "handle" for resizing. I'm thinking we can just write a script that'll move the [pd META] subpatch a couple pixels up and to the left, and it'll fix it everywhere. I'm happy to write that script.

My experience with the scrolling logic is that is takes a ton of testing to make even small changes to it because there are so many edge cases that can be horribly affected.

.hc

On Feb 1, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:

Bug: scrollbars appear before they need to. Help patch for [float] has scrollbars, but

in the last version of Pd-extended the same patch didn't get scrollbars.

-Jonathan

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From: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at To: Pd List pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 11:15 PM Subject: [PD] Pd-extended 0.43.1 beta builds

At this point, the Pd-extended 0.43.1 builds are definitely beta quality. I have fixed all bugs that I could find, and I just taught a class with it. Its working well. Please try it out with your patches and let me know what you find:

http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/

.hc

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hey max

(i can't copy paste this message hence the screenshot)

im not sure if that a bug or what. i can copy/paste from pd window only with keycommands apple-c (copy) and apple-v(paste) NOT from menu, right click, etc..

I just noticed this earlier today myself

m

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Max abonnements@revolwear.com wrote:

Am 01.02.2012 um 05:15 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:

At this point, the Pd-extended 0.43.1 builds are definitely beta quality. I have fixed all bugs that I could find, and I just taught a class with it. Its working well. Please try it out with your patches and let me know what you find:

Hi Hans, i have a big problem with the latest builds. if you open a patch on os x sometimes only this message appears:

(i can't copy paste this message hence the screenshot)

then the patch is actually open, but it doesn't show in the windows menue. you can tell when you make a patch that produces audio and using loadbang or opening a gemwin with a loadbang. then when you doubleclick on the file again it will open a SECOND instance of the file.

i narrowed it down to a pd file which has only two objects in it: [declare -lib Gem] and [pix_video] it looks like i should post that bug on the gem bugtracker… (import instead of declare has the same effect) problem is that those two objects are in 90% of my files :(

and there is a minor translation bug: all new patches are called Untitled-1 and i don't see that string amongst the translatable ones

other than this: thank you for the work on it, i love the magic glass.

m.

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To be precise, you can copy everything from the console as you would expect but the errors which have a red font and background.

Am 02.02.2012 um 03:32 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:

Hey mark,

That sounds like a bug to me, please file :)

.hc

On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 15:07 -0500, m.e.grimm wrote:

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hey max

...

(i can't copy paste this message hence the screenshot)

im not sure if that a bug or what. i can copy/paste from pd window only with keycommands apple-c (copy) and apple-v(paste) NOT from menu, right click, etc..

I just noticed this earlier today myself

m

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Max abonnements@revolwear.com wrote: Am 01.02.2012 um 05:15 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:

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At this point, the Pd-extended 0.43.1 builds are definitely beta quality. I have fixed all bugs that I could find, and I just taught a class with it. Its working well. Please try it out with your patches and let me know what you find:

   Hi Hans,
   i have a big problem with the latest builds. if you open a
   patch on os x sometimes only this message appears:



   (i can't copy paste this message hence the screenshot)


   then the patch is actually open, but it doesn't show in the
   windows menue.
   you can tell when you make a patch that produces audio and
   using loadbang or opening a gemwin with a loadbang.
   then when you doubleclick on the file again it will open a
   SECOND instance of the file.


   i narrowed it down to a pd file which has only two objects in
   it: [declare -lib Gem] and [pix_video] it looks like i should
   post that bug on the gem bugtracker… (import instead of
   declare has the same effect)
   problem is that those two objects are in 90% of my files :(


   and there is a minor translation bug:
   all new patches are called Untitled-1 and i don't see that
   string amongst the translatable ones 


   other than this:
   thank you for the work on it, i love the magic glass.


   m.

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About the Pt_Start() crash, that seems to be related to tclpd, from my experience. Try this and see if it makes it go away:

sudo rm -rf
/Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120201.app/Contents/Resources/startup/tclpd

Magic glass is great, I am bummed it languished for so long, I think Joe Sarlo wrote that in 2003. Then Ico revived it and ported it to 0.42 in pd-l2ork, and I took it from there.

.hc

On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 20:34 +0100, Max wrote:

Am 01.02.2012 um 05:15 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:

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At this point, the Pd-extended 0.43.1 builds are definitely beta quality. I have fixed all bugs that I could find, and I just taught a class with it. Its working well. Please try it out with your patches and let me know what you find:

Hi Hans, i have a big problem with the latest builds. if you open a patch on os x sometimes only this message appears:

(i can't copy paste this message hence the screenshot)

then the patch is actually open, but it doesn't show in the windows menue. you can tell when you make a patch that produces audio and using loadbang or opening a gemwin with a loadbang. then when you doubleclick on the file again it will open a SECOND instance of the file.

i narrowed it down to a pd file which has only two objects in it: [declare -lib Gem] and [pix_video] it looks like i should post that bug on the gem bugtracker… (import instead of declare has the same effect) problem is that those two objects are in 90% of my files :(

and there is a minor translation bug: all new patches are called Untitled-1 and i don't see that string amongst the translatable ones

other than this: thank you for the work on it, i love the magic glass.

m.

Ok, I tried another way to fix it, try tomorrow's build and let me know. Hopefully we can keep tclpd loaded by default.

http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revision&revi...

.hc

On Feb 2, 2012, at 4:44 AM, Max wrote:

Excellent! that worked, the patch opens and is actually there in a window.

Am 02.02.2012 um 03:39 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:

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About the Pt_Start() crash, that seems to be related to tclpd, from my experience. Try this and see if it makes it go away:

sudo rm -rf
/Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120201.app/Contents/Resources/startup/tclpd

Magic glass is great, I am bummed it languished for so long, I think Joe Sarlo wrote that in 2003. Then Ico revived it and ported it to 0.42 in pd-l2ork, and I took it from there.

.hc

On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 20:34 +0100, Max wrote:

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Am 01.02.2012 um 05:15 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:

...

At this point, the Pd-extended 0.43.1 builds are definitely beta quality. I have fixed all bugs that I could find, and I just taught a class with it. Its working well. Please try it out with your patches and let me know what you find:

Hi Hans, i have a big problem with the latest builds. if you open a patch on os x sometimes only this message appears:

...

(i can't copy paste this message hence the screenshot)

then the patch is actually open, but it doesn't show in the windows menue. you can tell when you make a patch that produces audio and using loadbang or opening a gemwin with a loadbang. then when you doubleclick on the file again it will open a SECOND instance of the file.

i narrowed it down to a pd file which has only two objects in it: [declare -lib Gem] and [pix_video] it looks like i should post that bug on the gem bugtracker… (import instead of declare has the same effect) problem is that those two objects are in 90% of my files :(

and there is a minor translation bug: all new patches are called Untitled-1 and i don't see that string amongst the translatable ones

other than this: thank you for the work on it, i love the magic glass.

m.

I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone." --Bjarne Stroustrup (creator of C++)

Some people in Valencia might appreciate a complete Catalan translation more, just to bring up Spanish language politics ;)

.hc

On Fri, 2012-02-03 at 13:07 +0100, Max wrote:

seems to work. testing the castilian version now for a workshop next week in valencia.

thanks a lot! say hi to r. and j.

max

El 03.02.2012, a las 04:10, Hans-Christoph Steiner escribió:

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Ok, I tried another way to fix it, try tomorrow's build and let me know. Hopefully we can keep tclpd loaded by default.

http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revision&revi...

.hc

On Feb 2, 2012, at 4:44 AM, Max wrote:

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Excellent! that worked, the patch opens and is actually there in a window.

Am 02.02.2012 um 03:39 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:

...

About the Pt_Start() crash, that seems to be related to tclpd, from my experience. Try this and see if it makes it go away:

sudo rm -rf
/Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120201.app/Contents/Resources/startup/tclpd

Magic glass is great, I am bummed it languished for so long, I think Joe Sarlo wrote that in 2003. Then Ico revived it and ported it to 0.42 in pd-l2ork, and I took it from there.

.hc

On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 20:34 +0100, Max wrote:

...

Am 01.02.2012 um 05:15 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:

...

At this point, the Pd-extended 0.43.1 builds are definitely beta quality. I have fixed all bugs that I could find, and I just taught a class with it. Its working well. Please try it out with your patches and let me know what you find:

Hi Hans, i have a big problem with the latest builds. if you open a patch on os x sometimes only this message appears:

...

(i can't copy paste this message hence the screenshot)

then the patch is actually open, but it doesn't show in the windows menue. you can tell when you make a patch that produces audio and using loadbang or opening a gemwin with a loadbang. then when you doubleclick on the file again it will open a SECOND instance of the file.

i narrowed it down to a pd file which has only two objects in it: [declare -lib Gem] and [pix_video] it looks like i should post that bug on the gem bugtracker… (import instead of declare has the same effect) problem is that those two objects are in 90% of my files :(

and there is a minor translation bug: all new patches are called Untitled-1 and i don't see that string amongst the translatable ones

other than this: thank you for the work on it, i love the magic glass.

m.

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On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 23:17 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:

On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 23:15 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

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At this point, the Pd-extended 0.43.1 builds are definitely beta quality. I have fixed all bugs that I could find, and I just taught a class with it. Its working well. Please try it out with your patches and let me know what you find:

http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/

.hc

Just wanted to point out that the package for wheezy (i386) has an unmet dependency: x-ttcidfont-conf

After googling a bit it appears it has been removed.. http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/x-ttcidfont-conf.html

That package is there for Gem, as far as I know. Do any Gem people know if we still need that package?

Looking at the Debian info, it seems that this is likely temporary. All the Ubuntu releases currently include it, for example.

.hc

On Feb 2, 2012, at 3:44 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

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On 2012-02-02 03:35, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

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On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 23:17 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:

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On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 23:15 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

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At this point, the Pd-extended 0.43.1 builds are definitely beta quality. I have fixed all bugs that I could find, and I just taught a class with it. Its working well. Please try it out with your patches and let me know what you find:

http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/

.hc

Just wanted to point out that the package for wheezy (i386) has an unmet dependency: x-ttcidfont-conf

After googling a bit it appears it has been removed.. http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/x-ttcidfont-conf.html

That package is there for Gem, as far as I know. Do any Gem people know if we still need that package?

i don't know about this package. i even had to look up, what it is supposed to do. it's definitely not a thing that Gem depends on (in a sense, that Gem itself could make use of it)

the only dependency of Gem that is related to fonts is ftgl, everything else (including a font package that provides a _default_ font for Gem text rendering) should never ever be a hard dependency.

so from my side, feel free to remove the dependency on this package.

My memory might have failed me, it might have been for font handling for Pd itself. In any case, I've switched it to Recommends:

.hc

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