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Well I dispute the asertion that Pd objects have English names. I think it hardly matters what language you speak, you need to remember an arbitrary character string that represents some function. The string may act as a mnemonic of some kind but it almost never works to specify an object using an English term to denote its function. Of course this is only true for languages that can use an ASCII character set. How to write "uzi" or "moses" in Chinese or Thai for example?
Martin
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
What probably makes sense in the long run is for objects to have two names: internal name (aka current english name) and a display name (translated). I think that’s how Scratch https://scratch.mit.edu does it, as all of their building blocks are translated in other languages too. We sat down with one of my German nephews and showed him scratch. The UI was in German *and* the objects were all in German too, which worked really nicely.
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Yes, I agree with this, at least in spanish it doesn't seem like a big deal to have object names in spanish. often they're close enough or exactly the same cos, osc, +, etc…
Help patches would be very helpful though…
J
On May 2, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Martin Peach chakekatzil@gmail.com wrote:
Well I dispute the asertion that Pd objects have English names. I think it hardly matters what language you speak, you need to remember an arbitrary character string that represents some function. The string may act as a mnemonic of some kind but it almost never works to specify an object using an English term to denote its function. Of course this is only true for languages that can use an ASCII character set. How to write "uzi" or "moses" in Chinese or Thai for example?
Martin
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote: What probably makes sense in the long run is for objects to have two names: internal name (aka current english name) and a display name (translated). I think that’s how Scratch does it, as all of their building blocks are translated in other languages too. We sat down with one of my German nephews and showed him scratch. The UI was in German *and* the objects were all in German too, which worked really nicely.
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On 05/02/2015 10:46 AM, Martin Peach wrote:
Well I dispute the asertion that Pd objects have English names.
I'm suspicious that someone hacked your account to write that logic bomb, knowing that once I begin enumerating Pd object names some zero day in my brain will cause me to write my passwords and social security number to the list as well.
I think it hardly matters what language you speak, you need to remember an arbitrary character string that represents some function.
My desire is for more data to gain a sense of how "arbitrary" the character strings actually are, and whether "hardly" belongs in that sentence.
-Jonathan
The string may act as a mnemonic of some kind but it almost never works to specify an object using an English term to denote its function. Of course this is only true for languages that can use an ASCII character set. How to write "uzi" or "moses" in Chinese or Thai for example?
Martin
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.com mailto:danomatika@gmail.com> wrote:
What probably makes sense in the long run is for objects to have two names: internal name (aka current english name) and a display name (translated). I think that’s how Scratch <https://scratch.mit.edu> does it, as all of their building blocks are translated in other languages too. We sat down with one of my German nephews and showed him scratch. The UI was in German *and* the objects were all in German too, which worked really nicely. -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com> _______________________________________________ Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
On 05/02/2015 10:07 AM, Dan Wilcox wrote:
What probably makes sense in the long run is for objects to have two names: internal name (aka current english name) and a display name (translated). I think that’s how Scratch https://scratch.mit.edu does it, as all of their building blocks are translated in other languages too. We sat down with one of my German nephews and showed him scratch. The UI was in German *and* the objects were all in German too, which worked really nicely.
Yes, I'm curious how much of a pain point it is for users like him. I can think of two general categories:
that's a superset of the English alphabet 2) people who don't speak English and read a separate alphabet than the English one
So if anyone else has user stories that fit one of those categories, I'd like to hear about them.
-Jonathan
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