Posted this on the PD forum.. but haven't heard anything yet so i thought I'd try here as well.
Euclidean Rhythms
I am interested in implementing something like THIS:
in PD.
I understand the algorithm for generating the rhythms on paper, but i'm not sure how in Pd to go about doing it. I'd imagine that it would involve some pretty heavy 'list surgery' and I'm not too sure how to go about doing it.
This website:
http://ruinwesen.com/blog?id=216
gives a little more info on how the algorithm works (especially in the PDF he links to, page 2 has the relevant example), and talks about coding the thing in Lisp, but i can't figure it out in PD.
any hints?
I had a quick read of the paper just now. I might have missed the point altogether, but from what I understand, the results that he gets from the Euclidian algorithm are the same (if you accept a rotation pattern as being equivalent) as what you'd get from the simple rounding of fractions.
In other words: let's say you want 5 beats in a grid of 12 (or a 12-sided polygon, if we use his graphical representation), the exact spacing between two beats would be 12/5, or 2.4.
The first beat would be 0*2.4= 0. The second beat would 1*2.4 = 2.4, rounded to 2 The third would be 2*2.4 = 4.8, which we round to 5. The fourth would be 3*2.4= 7.2, which we round to 7. The fifth would be 4*2.4 = 9.6, which we round to 10.
We now have the pattern x.x..x.x..x.
The way I would do it would be to store the pattern in table; calculate the slice size (e.g. 12/5), then multiply successfully by values from 0 to n-1 (0 to 4, since we want 5 divisions of 12), round that, and then store a "1" at the rounded index values.
I'm sure there are plenty of more elegant methods.
- martin
On 25 May 2011 22:13, Cody Loyd codyloyd@gmail.com wrote:
Posted this on the PD forum.. but haven't heard anything yet so i thought I'd try here as well.
Euclidean Rhythms
I am interested in implementing something like THIS:
in PD.
I understand the algorithm for generating the rhythms on paper, but i'm not sure how in Pd to go about doing it. I'd imagine that it would involve some pretty heavy 'list surgery' and I'm not too sure how to go about doing it.
This website:
http://ruinwesen.com/blog?id=216
gives a little more info on how the algorithm works (especially in the PDF he links to, page 2 has the relevant example), and talks about coding the thing in Lisp, but i can't figure it out in PD.
any hints?
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Do you want to have a similar GUI as well?
Pierre
2011/5/26 Martin Dupras martindupras@gmail.com
I had a quick read of the paper just now. I might have missed the point altogether, but from what I understand, the results that he gets from the Euclidian algorithm are the same (if you accept a rotation pattern as being equivalent) as what you'd get from the simple rounding of fractions.
In other words: let's say you want 5 beats in a grid of 12 (or a 12-sided polygon, if we use his graphical representation), the exact spacing between two beats would be 12/5, or 2.4.
The first beat would be 0*2.4= 0. The second beat would 1*2.4 = 2.4, rounded to 2 The third would be 2*2.4 = 4.8, which we round to 5. The fourth would be 3*2.4= 7.2, which we round to 7. The fifth would be 4*2.4 = 9.6, which we round to 10.
We now have the pattern x.x..x.x..x.
The way I would do it would be to store the pattern in table; calculate the slice size (e.g. 12/5), then multiply successfully by values from 0 to n-1 (0 to 4, since we want 5 divisions of 12), round that, and then store a "1" at the rounded index values.
I'm sure there are plenty of more elegant methods.
- martin
On 25 May 2011 22:13, Cody Loyd codyloyd@gmail.com wrote:
Posted this on the PD forum.. but haven't heard anything yet so i thought I'd try here as well.
Euclidean Rhythms
I am interested in implementing something like THIS:
in PD.
I understand the algorithm for generating the rhythms on paper, but i'm not sure how in Pd to go about doing it. I'd imagine that it would involve some pretty heavy 'list surgery' and I'm not too sure how to go about doing it.
This website:
http://ruinwesen.com/blog?id=216
gives a little more info on how the algorithm works (especially in the PDF he links to, page 2 has the relevant example), and talks about coding the thing in Lisp, but i can't figure it out in PD.
any hints?
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On 05/26/2011 01:29 AM, Martin Dupras wrote:
In other words: let's say you want 5 beats in a grid of 12 (or a 12-sided polygon, if we use his graphical representation), the exact spacing between two beats would be 12/5, or 2.4.
The first beat would be 0*2.4= 0. The second beat would 1*2.4 = 2.4, rounded to 2 The third would be 2*2.4 = 4.8, which we round to 5. The fourth would be 3*2.4= 7.2, which we round to 7. The fifth would be 4*2.4 = 9.6, which we round to 10.
We now have the pattern x.x..x.x..x.
though the flash app (at hisschemoeller.com) produces soemthing like x..x..x.x.x. the number and length of rests is the same in this case, but the distribution is different. if you, instead of rounding, just cut the fractional part, you get the same result as the flash app, only mirrored, but this seems not to work for other numbers.
i have attached my own quick and dirty itterative attempt, but i think it should also be possible to implement with operations on lists, like in the ruinwesen example. but i am not that familliar with this in pd...
bis denn! martin
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