One of the goals for Pd-extended 0.43 is to have all libraries have a
maintainer, so Pd-extended isn't just a collection of lots of semi-
working code. The end goal is to have a maintainer for all libraries
that are included in Pd-extended. Here's the current list based on my
knowledge:
http://puredata.info/docs/LibrariesInPdExtended
If you are interested in becoming the maintainer of any of the
libraries that are currently lacking a maintainer, please add your
name next to the library in question. Once you get the library up-to-
date for Pd-extended, we can move it up to the "maintained" section on
the top. Here's a rough sketch of the process of getting libraries
into Pd-extended:
http://puredata.info/docs/developer/GettingIntoPdextended
.hc
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one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better
language; and every chapter must be so translated.... -John Donne
this basically shows you have 3 collaborators and you call it a 'community'
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.orgwrote:
One of the goals for Pd-extended 0.43 is to have all libraries have a maintainer, so Pd-extended isn't just a collection of lots of semi-working code. The end goal is to have a maintainer for all libraries that are included in Pd-extended. Here's the current list based on my knowledge:
http://puredata.info/docs/LibrariesInPdExtended
If you are interested in becoming the maintainer of any of the libraries that are currently lacking a maintainer, please add your name next to the library in question. Once you get the library up-to-date for Pd-extended, we can move it up to the "maintained" section on the top. Here's a rough sketch of the process of getting libraries into Pd-extended:
http://puredata.info/docs/developer/GettingIntoPdextended
.hc
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Sevy,
How is this a constructive comment? In fact, how is it even constructive criticism? Your proof of the saying that goes, "You can either not say anything and risk people thinking your ignorant or you can open your mouth and prove it".
Really I think you need to grow up, I am really surprised at just how immature you are. If you don't like the people on the list then subscribe.
Maybe I am wrong however, if you have a grievance then put it forward in a sensible way so that things can be worked out? If there is something I can do let me know? I think to have bad feelings with anyone on this list is not a good thing.
Hans, I may be able to maintain a some libraries and it is something I'm looking into, my programming experience is limited but would like to contribute.
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:58 AM, sevy ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
this basically shows you have 3 collaborators and you call it a 'community'
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.orgwrote:
One of the goals for Pd-extended 0.43 is to have all libraries have a maintainer, so Pd-extended isn't just a collection of lots of semi-working code. The end goal is to have a maintainer for all libraries that are included in Pd-extended. Here's the current list based on my knowledge:
http://puredata.info/docs/LibrariesInPdExtended
If you are interested in becoming the maintainer of any of the libraries that are currently lacking a maintainer, please add your name next to the library in question. Once you get the library up-to-date for Pd-extended, we can move it up to the "maintained" section on the top. Here's a rough sketch of the process of getting libraries into Pd-extended:
http://puredata.info/docs/developer/GettingIntoPdextended
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what ? again?
because i criticize the structure of this fake community? because i protest against the way decisions are taken?
this is immature? i will not qualify your comment here, it's just very low.
and saying 'if you don't like people on this then subscribe ( i guess it was unsubscribe )' is even dumber, i don't have to agree with people again to work with pd and don't need an authorization from you.
sevy
ALAN BROOKER wrote:
Sevy,
How is this a constructive comment? In fact, how is it even constructive criticism? Your proof of the saying that goes, "You can either not say anything and risk people thinking your ignorant or you can open your mouth and prove it".
Really I think you need to grow up, I am really surprised at just how immature you are. If you don't like the people on the list then subscribe.
Maybe I am wrong however, if you have a grievance then put it forward in a sensible way so that things can be worked out? If there is something I can do let me know? I think to have bad feelings with anyone on this list is not a good thing.
Hans, I may be able to maintain a some libraries and it is something I'm looking into, my programming experience is limited but would like to contribute.
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:58 AM, sevy <ydegoyon@gmail.com mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com> wrote:
this basically shows you have 3 collaborators and you call it a 'community' On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@eds.org <mailto:hans@eds.org>> wrote: One of the goals for Pd-extended 0.43 is to have all libraries have a maintainer, so Pd-extended isn't just a collection of lots of semi-working code. The end goal is to have a maintainer for all libraries that are included in Pd-extended. Here's the current list based on my knowledge: http://puredata.info/docs/LibrariesInPdExtended If you are interested in becoming the maintainer of any of the libraries that are currently lacking a maintainer, please add your name next to the library in question. Once you get the library up-to-date for Pd-extended, we can move it up to the "maintained" section on the top. Here's a rough sketch of the process of getting libraries into Pd-extended: http://puredata.info/docs/developer/GettingIntoPdextended .hc ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated.... -John Donne _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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You make a good point, I would support you on this as it is constructive criticism. Taking the piss out of people is just not good .
all the best.
Are you still maintaining PiDiP?
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:10 PM, ydegoyon@gmail.com ydegoyon@gmail.comwrote:
because i protest against the way decisions are taken?
did you ever see here any decision that was submitted to a vote?
( for example like which libraries should be included in extended ? or if the chord patches should be orange and with an arrow? )
Downloads for PD extended from 2010-12-06 to 2010-12-13 for windows: 1607
Downloads for PD extended from 2010-12-06 to 2010-12-13 for OS X: 841
Downloads for PD extended from 2010-12-06 to 2010-12-13 for Debian: 6
so the total for downloads over a 7 day period across all platforms is 2454. That is allot of users for PD extended and the period doesn't even cover a whole month, that is a healthy user community to me.
An email is sent asking for more people to help out in maintaining libraries and your response is to just take the piss and say 'ha ha here are only 3 collaborators...”. How is that suppose to make the few developers feel? How is that being constructive when someone is asking for help in maintaining the project?
To say; “ Maybe if there was a more open process of selecting libraries there would be more developers” would be more helpful because maybe then things would change.
It was a disappointing response, but I wish you the best.
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:21 PM, ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2010@gmail.comwrote:
You make a good point, I would support you on this as it is constructive criticism. Taking the piss out of people is just not good .
all the best.
Are you still maintaining PiDiP?
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:10 PM, ydegoyon@gmail.com ydegoyon@gmail.comwrote:
because i protest against the way decisions are taken?
did you ever see here any decision that was submitted to a vote?
( for example like which libraries should be included in extended ? or if the chord patches should be orange and with an arrow? )
note exactly what i'm talking about :
my libraries ( pidip and unauthorized ) cannot be included because of their license... good, i'm happy of that
now i see in the new list that :
- pdp is not included
some other libraries have never been included like :
- pdvjtools : never included, as people doing pd-extended
don't care about video ( personally i think it's what's pd is best for )
- pdp_opencv, pix_opencv : sometimes we tried to include it
but saw it was impossible for the rules pd-extended impose to your package ( no autoconf, ... )
so yeh all seems blocked, for the lack of discussions and agreements, not coming in any way from me.
saludos, sevy
yves,
Your contributions are welcome in Pd-extended, you have recently
chosen again to work against it. That's your choice.
A couple of points:
autoconf is welcome in Pd-extended (see Gem, pdp, zexy, oscx, etc.)
pdvjtools, pdp_opencv, and pix_opencv all could be added if someone
does the work. You've made it clear that my contributions there are
not welcome there, so I stopped trying.
Oftentimes, when a library gets added to Pd-extended, the original
author stops doing the release work and it falls on me. For example,
I don't work in video at all, yet I have fixed bugs in pdp, pdp2gem,
and pidip. Plus I recently worked with Tom Schouten to make a pdp
0.12.6.
.hc
On Dec 13, 2010, at 11:49 AM, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
note exactly what i'm talking about :
my libraries ( pidip and unauthorized ) cannot be included because of their license... good, i'm happy of that
now i see in the new list that :
- pdp is not included
some other libraries have never been included like :
- pdvjtools : never included, as people doing pd-extended
don't care about video ( personally i think it's what's pd is best for )
- pdp_opencv, pix_opencv : sometimes we tried to include it
but saw it was impossible for the rules pd-extended impose to your package ( no autoconf, ... )
so yeh all seems blocked, for the lack of discussions and agreements, not coming in any way from me.
saludos, sevy
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On Dec 13, 2010, at 12:27 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
- autoconf is welcome in Pd-extended (see Gem, pdp, zexy, oscx, etc.)
He's talking about the opposite : is autoconf required in Pd- extended ?
Definitely not, there are Makefile-only, autoconf, and autoconf +automake projects in Pd-extended.
.hc
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Dec 13, 2010, at 12:27 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
- autoconf is welcome in Pd-extended (see Gem, pdp, zexy, oscx, etc.)
He's talking about the opposite : is autoconf required in Pd-extended ?
Definitely not, there are Makefile-only, autoconf, and autoconf+automake projects in Pd-extended.
ah, thought so.
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Is there a possibility of getting the frei0r plugins working in GEM?
It would be nice to have a version of it
- a minimalistic plugin API for video effects
Frei0r is a minimalistic plugin API for video sources and filters. The behaviour of the effects can be controlled from the host by simple parameters. The intent is to solve the recurring reimplementation or adaptation issue of standard effects.
Frei0r is not meant as a generic API for all kinds of video applications.
There is no support for the requirements of special application areas like non linear editors, hardware accelerated shader effects, and high precision video processing. These advanced issues are not even solved satisfactory for non cross application plugin apis and are still an evolving field.
you know it works with pdp_frei0r part of pdvjtools
Patrick Pagano wrote:
Is there a possibility of getting the frei0r plugins working in GEM?
It would be nice to have a version of it
- a minimalistic plugin API for video effectsFrei0r is a minimalistic plugin API for video sources and filters. The behaviour of the effects can be controlled from the host by simple parameters. The intent is to solve the recurring reimplementation or adaptation issue of standard effects.
Frei0r is not meant as a generic API for all kinds of video applications.
There is no support for the requirements of special application areas like non linear editors, hardware accelerated shader effects, and high precision video processing. These advanced issues are not even solved satisfactory for non cross application plugin apis and are still an evolving field.
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ola,
- pdvjtools, pdp_opencv, and pix_opencv all could be added if someone
does the work. You've made it clear that my contributions there are not welcome there, so I stopped trying.
nah nah, you've overwritten all our building system and then asked if it was ok...
there's a big difference here
Oftentimes, when a library gets added to Pd-extended, the original author stops doing the release work and it falls on me. For example, I don't work in video at all, yet I have fixed bugs in pdp, pdp2gem, and pidip. Plus I recently worked with Tom Schouten to make a pdp 0.12.6.
yeh that's a scoop, why don't we know?
.hc
that's really crazy what you did here :
http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/unauthorized
sorry i haven't seen any recent case of exploitation that reaches that level
respect!
sevy
you maintain unauthorized ( free version, if free ever meant anything ) and pmpd ?
wow, if that's not using other people's work, i dunno what fresh hell is this...
very good takeover, very good semester result, you can apply for the employee of the month
ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
that's really crazy what you did here :
http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/unauthorized
sorry i haven't seen any recent case of exploitation that reaches that level
respect!
sevy
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hello Yves,
i feel a bit concerned because you mention pmpd.
I don't understand the problem about hans being pmpd maintainer. i can't find anything saying that a maintainer should be the author of a lib. the pmpd lib distributed with pd-extended clearly specify that's i'm the author of this lib.
who's using other people work? well, there is a lot of answers to this question. -pd user (and developer) are using miller work -pd-extended user are using hans work -pmpd user are using my work -i'm using pmpd users to promote my work -i'm using hans work to promote pmpd -i'm using miller (and other) work everyday -hans is using pmpd to have more happy pd-extended user -etc
lot's of people are using other people work. i'm using miller, hans and pd users lot's more than hans is using me.
This is some short extract of the pmpd licence :
"1. You may copy and distribute verbatim copies of the Program's
source code as you receive it [...]" "2. You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any portion
of it, thus forming a work based on the Program, and copy and
distribute such modifications or work under the terms of Section 1
above [...]" "3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it,
under Section 2 [...])"
Reading it, you'll understand that anyone could be pmpd maintainer without other authorisation.
Cyrille
Le 14/12/2010 05:45, ydegoyon@gmail.com a écrit :
you maintain unauthorized ( free version, if free ever meant anything ) and pmpd ?
wow, if that's not using other people's work, i dunno what fresh hell is this...
very good takeover, very good semester result, you can apply for the employee of the month
ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
that's really crazy what you did here :
http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/unauthorized
sorry i haven't seen any recent case of exploitation that reaches that level
respect!
sevy
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On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 05:01 +0100, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
that's really crazy what you did here :
http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/unauthorized
sorry i haven't seen any recent case of exploitation that reaches that level
respect!
sevy
I thought you might want to promote your software. Its editable, change it if you want.
.hc
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 05:01 +0100, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
that's really crazy what you did here :
http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/unauthorized
sorry i haven't seen any recent case of exploitation that reaches that level
respect!
sevy
I thought you might want to promote your software. Its editable, change it if you want.
.hc
ok after all these useless discussions, i'll stick to my first and initial decision, not use pd-extended anymore, pure:dyne packages are more complete anyway.
but i want my stuff to be taken out of pd-extended, otherwise it just shows your lack of respect to the authors, and i'm bored to speak to lawyers instead of honest people.
ciao, sevy
ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 05:01 +0100, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
that's really crazy what you did here :
http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/unauthorized
sorry i haven't seen any recent case of exploitation that reaches that level
respect!
sevy
I thought you might want to promote your software. Its editable, change it if you want.
.hc
ok after all these useless discussions, i'll stick to my first and initial decision, not use pd-extended anymore, pure:dyne packages are more complete anyway.
but i want my stuff to be taken out of pd-extended, otherwise it just shows your lack of respect to the authors, and i'm bored to speak to lawyers instead of honest people.
ciao, sevy
btw, yo paso de contestar a los que han aprendido la psicologia en classes de matematica...
If it were up to me, we'd keep all of Sevy's stuff in Pd-extended. The licenses Sevy offers conflict with the licenses of much of the software it borrows from (for example EffecTV) so they are invalid anyway. But I understand that this may not sit ethically with others so my second suggestion is, for the benefit of the Pd community, to keep all of Sevy's stuff that was released under GPL in whatever version it existed in at that point. I believe this is already Han's plan and I support it.
For me, I'm going to use Sevy's stuff as if it is GPL. For example, I'm looking forward to the military contract I am expecting of torturing people, and at that point I think I'll make excellent use of PiDiP. I'll let Sevy sue me then.
I don't buy the argument that the Sevy's stuff should be removed out of respect for the author, as this argument conflicts with a more compelling argument of respect for the community, for free software, and for the GPL license. It is weird and uncomfortable to me that "one of our own" would impose restrictions on the use of their software that even the infamous Microsoft wouldn't consider. I can't support such a position.
-John
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:53 AM, ydegoyon@gmail.com ydegoyon@gmail.comwrote:
i want my stuff to be taken out of pd-extended
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, John Harrison wrote:
If it were up to me, we'd keep all of Sevy's stuff in Pd-extended. The licenses Sevy offers conflict with the licenses of much of the software it borrows from (for example EffecTV) so they are invalid anyway.
Invalid licenses are not to be automatically ignored. If you sign a contract that contradicts itself, that doesn't allow you to ignore any part of that contract. Instead, the contract has to be explicitly amended so that it can be respected wholly.
I don't buy the argument that the Sevy's stuff should be removed out of respect for the author, as this argument conflicts with a more compelling argument of respect for the community, for free software, and for the GPL license.
Sevy's stuff should be removed out of respect for the GPL license. Do you get this ?
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On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 15:53 +0100, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 05:01 +0100, ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
that's really crazy what you did here :
http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/unauthorized
sorry i haven't seen any recent case of exploitation that reaches that level
respect!
sevy
I thought you might want to promote your software. Its editable, change it if you want.
.hc
ok after all these useless discussions, i'll stick to my first and initial decision, not use pd-extended anymore, pure:dyne packages are more complete anyway.
but i want my stuff to be taken out of pd-extended, otherwise it just shows your lack of respect to the authors, and i'm bored to speak to lawyers instead of honest people.
I mean no disrespect. When you released 'unauthorized' under the GPL, you made a promise to your users that 'unauthorized' would remain free software. That is the meaning of the GPL. I am merely acting on this promise that you made many years ago, a promise that you have done a good job sticking to until now.
And for the record, no one said that PDP is being removed from Pd-extended.
.hc
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I mean no disrespect. When you released 'unauthorized' under the GPL, you made a promise to your users that 'unauthorized' would remain free software. That is the meaning of the GPL.
That's not the meaning of it.
The meaning of the GPL (or any other public license) is that once you put something under the GPL, *that* version of the software can be used under the same license forever. However, the owners of the copyright can choose any other license they want for the existing software as long as they don't make them conflict (users get to pick the license they want in that case).
The owners of the copyright can also stop distributing the GPL version, and make a series of versions under whichever other license, and that's why the FSF considers forking to be a most critical right : the right to continue to update a free version of any software that has been free.
You know this, and in effect, by volunteering as the maintainer of «Unauthorized», you are forking it, or announcing a pending fork (waiting for a diff to apply).
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--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca wrote:
From: Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca Subject: Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43 To: "Hans-Christoph Steiner" hans@at.or.at Cc: "PD List" pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 8:56 PM On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I mean no disrespect. When you released
'unauthorized' under the GPL, you made a promise to your users that 'unauthorized' would remain free software. That is the meaning of the GPL.
That's not the meaning of it.
The meaning of the GPL (or any other public license) is that once you put something under the GPL, *that* version of the software can be used under the same license forever. However, the owners of the copyright can choose any other license they want for the existing software as long as they don't make them conflict (users get to pick the license they want in that case).
The owners of the copyright can also stop distributing the GPL version, and make a series of versions under whichever other license, and that's why the FSF considers forking to be a most critical right : the right to continue to update a free version of any software that has been free.
You know this, and in effect, by volunteering as the maintainer of «Unauthorized», you are forking it, or announcing a pending fork (waiting for a diff to apply).
So did the software in question _always_ have the conflicting licenses, or was it originally just GPL and in a subsequent version the other license was added?
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
So did the software in question _always_ have the conflicting licenses, or was it originally just GPL and in a subsequent version the other license was added?
Well, I found the military clause in PiDiP in déc.2005, and I have no idea for how long it had been there at that time.
Until now, I had no idea about Unauthorized, really, but I just looked at a checkout from last month, and COPYING was just the GPLv2.
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Just curious Overall, at which point is a project forked? When additions are made or taken away? Or just when licence terms are changed? If the code is copied and then released under a different name? In this case it would be the licence change I believe
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:52 PM, Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.cawrote:
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
So did the software in question _always_ have the conflicting licenses, or
was it originally just GPL and in a subsequent version the other license was added?
Well, I found the military clause in PiDiP in déc.2005, and I have no idea for how long it had been there at that time.
Until now, I had no idea about Unauthorized, really, but I just looked at a checkout from last month, and COPYING was just the GPLv2.
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On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, ALAN BROOKER wrote:
Overall, at which point is a project forked? When additions are made or taken away? Or just when licence terms are changed? If the code is copied and then released under a different name?In this case it would be the licence change I believe
Literally speaking, there's a fork when there used to be one sequence of versions and now there are two parallel sequences of versions. But sometimes the term is used even though there is still only one active sequence, simply because it is presumed that there might be other versions one day in the other sequence. Quite often, such sequences never get officially closed.
Those sequences are usually called branches, though sometimes they are called "forks", though in non-slang, the fork is the splitting point of the branches.
(However, lots of people assume pretty strong connotations about the word "fork" but not "branch". I think that it's a "slashdotism" and I reject it for reasons I can explain.)
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On Dec 14, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
So did the software in question _always_ have the conflicting
licenses, or was it originally just GPL and in a subsequent version
the other license was added?Well, I found the military clause in PiDiP in déc.2005, and I have
no idea for how long it had been there at that time.Until now, I had no idea about Unauthorized, really, but I just
looked at a checkout from last month, and COPYING was just the GPLv2.
pidip has always had the conflicting licenses.
unauthorized was always GPLv2 up until now.
.hc
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Diane Savino, trying to convince the NY Senate to pass a gay marriage
bill
Hey Alan,
Thanks for the offer! Maintaining a library mostly means keeping
track of the issues and seeing that they get addressed. Things range
from making releases, posting releases, fixing bugs, accepting
patches, etc. It can also mean doing all of the work, if you so
choose. I will help out where I can, and I'm sure many others will too.
You can take on any library you want, I always say its best to take on
one that you feel personally invested in.
.hc
On Dec 13, 2010, at 5:25 AM, ALAN BROOKER wrote:
Sevy,
How is this a constructive comment? In fact, how is it even
constructive criticism? Your proof of the saying that goes, "You can either not say anything and risk people thinking your
ignorant or you can open your mouth and prove it".Really I think you need to grow up, I am really surprised at just
how immature you are. If you don't like the people on the list then
subscribe.Maybe I am wrong however, if you have a grievance then put it
forward in a sensible way so that things can be worked out? If
there is something I can do let me know? I think to have bad
feelings with anyone on this list is not a good thing.Hans, I may be able to maintain a some libraries and it is something
I'm looking into, my programming experience is limited but would
like to contribute.On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:58 AM, sevy ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote: this basically shows you have 3 collaborators and you call it a 'community'
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
hans@eds.org wrote:One of the goals for Pd-extended 0.43 is to have all libraries have
a maintainer, so Pd-extended isn't just a collection of lots of semi- working code. The end goal is to have a maintainer for all
libraries that are included in Pd-extended. Here's the current list
based on my knowledge:http://puredata.info/docs/LibrariesInPdExtended
If you are interested in becoming the maintainer of any of the
libraries that are currently lacking a maintainer, please add your
name next to the library in question. Once you get the library up- to-date for Pd-extended, we can move it up to the "maintained"
section on the top. Here's a rough sketch of the process of getting
libraries into Pd-extended:http://puredata.info/docs/developer/GettingIntoPdextended
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, sevy wrote:
this basically shows you have 3 collaborators and you call it a 'community'
this basically shows you can't see further than a single webpage ; and you think of it as relevant insight, postable on pd-list.
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