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On 2013-01-21 21:07, Anas Ghrab wrote:
Hi all,
The BiDi-plugin is aborted ?
no.
fdasfrt IOhannes
So the release is not released ? :o) http://puredata.info/downloads/bidi-plugin/releases/0.1
Anas
Le Jan 21, 2013 à 9:43 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :
On 2013-01-21 21:07, Anas Ghrab wrote:
Hi all,
The BiDi-plugin is aborted ?
no.
fdasfrt IOhannes
So the release is not released ? :o) http://puredata.info/downloads/bidi-plugin/releases/0.1
Anas
Le Jan 21, 2013 à 9:43 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :
On 2013-01-21 21:07, Anas Ghrab wrote:
Hi all,
The BiDi-plugin is aborted ?
no.
fdasfrt IOhannes
By the way... I'm using Pd-extended 0.43-4.
Anas
Le Jan 22, 2013 à 11:37 AM, Anas Ghrab a écrit :
So the release is not released ? :o) http://puredata.info/downloads/bidi-plugin/releases/0.1
Anas
Le Jan 21, 2013 à 9:43 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :
On 2013-01-21 21:07, Anas Ghrab wrote:
Hi all,
The BiDi-plugin is aborted ?
no.
fdasfrt IOhannes
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On 2013-01-22 11:45, Anas Ghrab wrote:
By the way... I'm using Pd-extended 0.43-4.
--- Anas
Le Jan 22, 2013 à 11:37 AM, Anas Ghrab a écrit :
So the release is not released ? :o) http://puredata.info/downloads/bidi-plugin/releases/0.1
the release is released, but:
[*] the bidi-plugin depends on the libfribidi library (which is available in all major linux distros, and for OSX via fink; i don't know about w32) and on tcl-fribidi (which are the tcl bindings for libfribidi, and have been written mainly for the use within the gui-plugin; it is not part of the gui-plugin though and must be installed separately from [1]).
fgamsdfr IOhannes
[1] https://github.com/umlaeute/tcl-fribidi
Thank you for the answer.
I downloaded again Pd-extended 0.43-4 (I think that the one I had was a beta one). The BiDi works :
But :
Anas
Le Jan 22, 2013 à 12:02 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :
On 2013-01-22 11:45, Anas Ghrab wrote:
By the way... I'm using Pd-extended 0.43-4.
--- Anas
Le Jan 22, 2013 à 11:37 AM, Anas Ghrab a écrit :
So the release is not released ? :o) http://puredata.info/downloads/bidi-plugin/releases/0.1
the release is released, but:
- it is not bundled (yet) with PdX
- there are no binaries available for download [*]
[*] the bidi-plugin depends on the libfribidi library (which is available in all major linux distros, and for OSX via fink; i don't know about w32) and on tcl-fribidi (which are the tcl bindings for libfribidi, and have been written mainly for the use within the gui-plugin; it is not part of the gui-plugin though and must be installed separately from [1]).
fgamsdfr IOhannes
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On 2013-01-22 12:32, Anas Ghrab wrote:
Thank you for the answer.
I downloaded again Pd-extended 0.43-4 (I think that the one I had was a beta one). The BiDi works :
which platform are you on? which BiDi-support are you referring to? Gem (which ought to fix display of Gem-rendered text) or the gui-plugin (which ought to fix the display within your patch)
- I get the arabic text without problem - The parenthesis are in
the good direction
But :
- The cursor is on the right; it should be at left. It is
problematic now to make modifications to a sentence once it is written..
not sure whether this is easily fixable.
- It there a way to make the font size bigger only for the comments
(not number boxes and so on..) ?
i don't think so.
fgmadr IOhannes
Le Jan 22, 2013 à 1:49 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :
On 2013-01-22 12:32, Anas Ghrab wrote:
Thank you for the answer.
I downloaded again Pd-extended 0.43-4 (I think that the one I had was a beta one). The BiDi works :
which platform are you on? which BiDi-support are you referring to? Gem (which ought to fix display of Gem-rendered text) or the gui-plugin (which ought to fix the display within your patch)
I'm on OS 10.7.5 (Intel).
I was talking about using arabic in comments (gui-plugin). On Gem (using [text2d]), I get non-identified letters (little squares).
Anas
On 01/22/2013 02:11 PM, Anas Ghrab wrote:
Le Jan 22, 2013 à 1:49 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :
On 2013-01-22 12:32, Anas Ghrab wrote:
Thank you for the answer.
I downloaded again Pd-extended 0.43-4 (I think that the one I had was a beta one). The BiDi works :
which platform are you on? which BiDi-support are you referring to? Gem (which ought to fix display of Gem-rendered text) or the gui-plugin (which ought to fix the display within your patch)
I'm on OS 10.7.5 (Intel).
I was talking about using arabic in comments (gui-plugin).
thanks. i thought so, but out of a sudden, i was not so sure any more.
i didn't know that the BiDi-plugin comes with PdX (or did you install it yourself?).
On Gem (using [text2d]), I get non-identified letters (little squares).
that's only a problem of using the wrong font (one without arabic glyphs). choose a font that has arabic characters and they should display. hopefully in the right direction.
fgamr IOhannes
Le Jan 22, 2013 à 8:55 PM, IOhannes zmölnig a écrit :
On 01/22/2013 02:11 PM, Anas Ghrab wrote:
Le Jan 22, 2013 à 1:49 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :
On 2013-01-22 12:32, Anas Ghrab wrote:
Thank you for the answer.
I downloaded again Pd-extended 0.43-4 (I think that the one I had was a beta one). The BiDi works :
which platform are you on? which BiDi-support are you referring to? Gem (which ought to fix display of Gem-rendered text) or the gui-plugin (which ought to fix the display within your patch)
I'm on OS 10.7.5 (Intel).
I was talking about using arabic in comments (gui-plugin).
thanks. i thought so, but out of a sudden, i was not so sure any more.
i didn't know that the BiDi-plugin comes with PdX (or did you install it yourself?).
No, I didn't install anything else. Where can I download it, so I can try it ? The arabic working is without any BiDi-plugin in PdX ? Parenthesis are in the correct direction...
On Gem (using [text2d]), I get non-identified letters (little squares).
that's only a problem of using the wrong font (one without arabic glyphs). choose a font that has arabic characters and they should display. hopefully in the right direction.
Now I get letters with the an arabic .ttf, but its not the right direction...
Anas
On 01/22/2013 09:37 PM, Anas Ghrab wrote:
i didn't know that the BiDi-plugin comes with PdX (or did you install it yourself?).
No, I didn't install anything else. Where can I download it, so I can try it ? The arabic working is without any BiDi-plugin in PdX ? Parenthesis are in the correct direction...
i don't know much about paranthesis in arabic text. the Bidi plugin is mainly concerned with writing direction (that is: writing from right-to-left, and having text that mixes these two)
if PdX already knows how to do that, my afforts were probably futile.
anyhow, you can get the BiDi pugin at the link where you initially pointed: http://puredata.info/downloads/bidi-plugin/ there's a link to the code-repository, where you will find the actual plugin plus instructions how to install it (+ dependencies).
On Gem (using [text2d]), I get non-identified letters (little squares).
that's only a problem of using the wrong font (one without arabic glyphs). choose a font that has arabic characters and they should display. hopefully in the right direction.
Now I get letters with the an arabic .ttf, but its not the right direction...
well, Gem's bidi support has been added to the development version of Gem about 2 days before PdX was released. so it's not included now.
fgamsr IOhannes
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On 2013-01-22 22:31, IOhannes zmölnig wrote:
if PdX already knows how to do that, my afforts were probably futile.
so i checked PdX and it turns out, that:
is needed here, if you want arabic/hebrew texts to be displayed correctly.
the bidi-plugin is not needed here
the cursor will stay on the left side both on OSX and linux+bidi, which makes editing a little awkward, but that's how it currently is.
masdr IOhannes
PS: and stupid me went through hoops and loops to create fat (ppc/i386/x86_64) binaries of the auxiliary binaries for the bidi-plugin before checking! darn...
On 01/31/2013 10:29 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
On 2013-01-22 22:31, IOhannes zmölnig wrote:
if PdX already knows how to do that, my afforts were probably futile.
so i checked PdX and it turns out, that: - on linux, tcl/tk will output RTL-scripts as LTR; so the bidi-plugin is needed here, if you want arabic/hebrew texts to be displayed correctly. - on OSX, tcl/tk already has the bidirectional display built-in; so the bidi-plugin is not needed here - on other OSs i don't know.
the cursor will stay on the left side both on OSX and linux+bidi, which makes editing a little awkward, but that's how it currently is.
masdr IOhannes
PS: and stupid me went through hoops and loops to create fat (ppc/i386/x86_64) binaries of the auxiliary binaries for the bidi-plugin before checking! darn...
Ah, ok, Anas was also struggling to get the tcl fribidi built on his Mac OS X, so its good to know he doesn't need to any more.
Did you try Windows?
.hc
Yes, good to know that...
Is the solution for the problem of the cursor technically known and difficult to realize ?
Anas
في 2013/01/31، الساعة 7:05 م، كتب Hans-Christoph Steiner:
On 01/31/2013 10:29 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
On 2013-01-22 22:31, IOhannes zmölnig wrote:
if PdX already knows how to do that, my afforts were probably futile.
so i checked PdX and it turns out, that: - on linux, tcl/tk will output RTL-scripts as LTR; so the bidi-plugin is needed here, if you want arabic/hebrew texts to be displayed correctly. - on OSX, tcl/tk already has the bidirectional display built-in; so the bidi-plugin is not needed here - on other OSs i don't know.
the cursor will stay on the left side both on OSX and linux+bidi, which makes editing a little awkward, but that's how it currently is.
masdr IOhannes
PS: and stupid me went through hoops and loops to create fat (ppc/i386/x86_64) binaries of the auxiliary binaries for the bidi-plugin before checking! darn...
Ah, ok, Anas was also struggling to get the tcl fribidi built on his Mac OS X, so its good to know he doesn't need to any more.
Did you try Windows?
.hc
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On 01/31/2013 09:19 PM, Anas Ghrab wrote:
Yes, good to know that...
Is the solution for the problem of the cursor technically known and difficult to realize ?
no idea. Pd currently manually sets the cursor to be on certain positions, without being aware of RTL/LTR or multicharacter glyphs. i guess this is the point where we have to investigate what is going wrong.
how annoying is the current behaviour in practice? (i really have no clue)
fgamrd IOhannes
The first problem is that you can't delete a character witch is not the last written character, because you can't place the cursor just after the wanted one. So it's impossible to edit the comment-text.
Second, all is align at left : the text should be right-aligned (even in the canvas). An example is given in the joined-file.
The default size in very small using the default police... in this example the font-size used is 24.
Anas
في 2013/02/01، الساعة 9:49 ص، كتب IOhannes zmölnig:
On 01/31/2013 09:19 PM, Anas Ghrab wrote:
Yes, good to know that...
Is the solution for the problem of the cursor technically known and difficult to realize ?
no idea. Pd currently manually sets the cursor to be on certain positions, without being aware of RTL/LTR or multicharacter glyphs. i guess this is the point where we have to investigate what is going wrong.
how annoying is the current behaviour in practice? (i really have no clue)
fgamrd IOhannes
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Hi,
I was wondering why the ligatures in the word الموسي (letters ل and م are joint) work in the second line of the text but in the first line they are written apart – or am I missing something?
Unfortunately I think that's a very common problem that a 10 pt font in latin is very readable but 10 pt in arabic is way too small. I don't think this problem can or should be solved in Pd. I also have it in my mail reader.
m.
Am 01.02.2013 um 16:56 schrieb Anas Ghrab anas.ghrab@saramusik.org:
The first problem is that you can't delete a character witch is not the last written character, because you can't place the cursor just after the wanted one. So it's impossible to edit the comment-text.
Second, all is align at left : the text should be right-aligned (even in the canvas). An example is given in the joined-file.
The default size in very small using the default police... in this example the font-size used is 24.
Anas
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في 2013/02/01، الساعة 9:49 ص، كتب IOhannes zmölnig:
On 01/31/2013 09:19 PM, Anas Ghrab wrote:
Yes, good to know that...
Is the solution for the problem of the cursor technically known and difficult to realize ?
no idea. Pd currently manually sets the cursor to be on certain positions, without being aware of RTL/LTR or multicharacter glyphs. i guess this is the point where we have to investigate what is going wrong.
how annoying is the current behaviour in practice? (i really have no clue)
fgamrd IOhannes
في 2013/02/01، الساعة 7:57 م، كتب Max:
I was wondering why the ligatures in the word الموسي (letters ل and م are joint) work in the second line of the text but in the first line they are written apart – or am I missing something?
It's only a question of calligraphy. In the beginning of a word, just after ال, you can write it الموسيقى or الـموسيقى. Both are correct.
Anas
Am 01.02.2013 um 20:09 schrieb Anas Ghrab anas.ghrab@saramusik.org:
في 2013/02/01، الساعة 7:57 م، كتب Max:
I was wondering why the ligatures in the word الموسي (letters ل and م are joint) work in the second line of the text but in the first line they are written apart – or am I missing something?
It's only a question of calligraphy. In the beginning of a word, just after ال, you can write it الموسيقى or الـموسيقى. Both are correct.
I know - that's why I'm asking. My OS does create the ligature automatically (الموسيقى) and I can't write it without. So I guess your OS must handle that differently. But you are also on OS X it seems. Anyhow, this is probably totally unrelated to Pd :)
m.