I found and fixed a condition that kept some sustain changes from being propagated. I cleaned other stuff up a little, too.
(tweaked text from previous announcement:)
I have been working on envelopes lately, and I have come up with something that I'd like to share. I started out with the basic ADSR in Miller's examples; I wanted variable envelope curves, but I didn't want the overhead of on-the-fly sqrt's or complex expr's. Therefore, [multiCurveAdsr] uses table-lookup for enveloping, with just one multiplication for level-scaling. The lookup table only needs to be computed when the "curve factor" is changed.
Three basic curve types are possible. C (curve factor) = 1 gives the basic linear envelope. C > 1 gives a continuous range of fatter, "ead"-like envelopes. C < 1 is a special case; for any value of C less than 1, you get one "quartic"-like, hollow curve. (I really like the way this one sounds, by the way).
The math in the [pd makeCurve] subpatch is not elegant -- I took an empirical approach, tweaking things until I got the shapes I wanted -- but it works well enough. One little hitch I ran into was that sustain level varied with different curve factors, so I made a corrective subpatch that keeps sustain values consistent across the different curves. This subpatch only comes into play when the sustain value or curve factor changes.
The right output emits 1 on attack, and 0 after release is complete. I use this to switch~ the voice being enveloped, for further CPU-cycle economy.
The help patch shows the effect of the different curve factors graphically. I don't think there are any dependencies outside of "Miller Vanilla" PD.
I use [multiCurveAdsr] for my own synthesis abstractions, and find that it sounds pretty good, plus it's thrifty on CPU-usage, even with many voices. I hope somebody else finds it useful. Any suggestions for improvement will be greatly appreciated.
Phil Stone
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cool work! thanks for sharing it!
personally, i like a logarithmic curve the most for decay and release (this is also, how decays happen to be in nature [e.g a bell]), though otoh, a logarithmic curve doesn't make much sense for attack, if applied to the amplitude (nothing happens for a long period and then suddenly the sound comes). how about using a separate c parameter for the attack, so that one could have fat (for attack) and hollow (for decay) at the same time?
roman
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 14:35 -0700, Phil Stone wrote:
I found and fixed a condition that kept some sustain changes from being propagated. I cleaned other stuff up a little, too.
(tweaked text from previous announcement:)
I have been working on envelopes lately, and I have come up with something that I'd like to share. I started out with the basic ADSR in Miller's examples; I wanted variable envelope curves, but I didn't want the overhead of on-the-fly sqrt's or complex expr's. Therefore, [multiCurveAdsr] uses table-lookup for enveloping, with just one multiplication for level-scaling. The lookup table only needs to be computed when the "curve factor" is changed.
Three basic curve types are possible. C (curve factor) = 1 gives the basic linear envelope. C > 1 gives a continuous range of fatter, "ead"-like envelopes. C < 1 is a special case; for any value of C less than 1, you get one "quartic"-like, hollow curve. (I really like the way this one sounds, by the way).
The math in the [pd makeCurve] subpatch is not elegant -- I took an empirical approach, tweaking things until I got the shapes I wanted -- but it works well enough. One little hitch I ran into was that sustain level varied with different curve factors, so I made a corrective subpatch that keeps sustain values consistent across the different curves. This subpatch only comes into play when the sustain value or curve factor changes.
The right output emits 1 on attack, and 0 after release is complete. I use this to switch~ the voice being enveloped, for further CPU-cycle economy.
The help patch shows the effect of the different curve factors graphically. I don't think there are any dependencies outside of "Miller Vanilla" PD.
I use [multiCurveAdsr] for my own synthesis abstractions, and find that it sounds pretty good, plus it's thrifty on CPU-usage, even with many voices. I hope somebody else finds it useful. Any suggestions for improvement will be greatly appreciated.
Phil Stone
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Hi Roman,
It would be pretty easy to modify this to have a separate C (curve) parameter for attack and decay/release (or even separate C's for decay and release as well, if one were so inclined). I considered doing this, but didn't do it for the selfish reason that my envelope UI's are getting pretty cluttered as it is! Maybe I could do a thing where if you didn't specify values for C(decay) and C(release), they'd be equal to C(attack) by default.
The quartic(ish) curve I use for C of < 1 actually sounds pretty good for attack, actually. It is thinner and sharper for fast values of A, and has a nice, natural rise for slower attacks. I like using the "fatter" (C > 1) envelopes for contrast; they carry a lot more energy under the curve. Poor old linear sounds pretty boring, but it comes in handy as a reference.
Thanks for writing, Roman.
Phil
Roman Haefeli wrote:
cool work! thanks for sharing it!
personally, i like a logarithmic curve the most for decay and release (this is also, how decays happen to be in nature [e.g a bell]), though otoh, a logarithmic curve doesn't make much sense for attack, if applied to the amplitude (nothing happens for a long period and then suddenly the sound comes). how about using a separate c parameter for the attack, so that one could have fat (for attack) and hollow (for decay) at the same time?
roman
Hallo, Phil Stone hat gesagt: // Phil Stone wrote:
It would be pretty easy to modify this to have a separate C (curve) parameter for attack and decay/release (or even separate C's for decay and release as well, if one were so inclined).
Actually I believe that it's not that easy at all, if you want to get retriggered envelopes right. If you need to enter a release phase with a concave curve, while your still in an attacke phase with a convex curve, it's tricky to do this in a clickless way
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__
You're right, Frank. I was just working on this, and as I wrote in a separate post, I gave up. You need independent [vline~]s, and matching up endpoints becomes extremely tricky.
Phil
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Phil Stone hat gesagt: // Phil Stone wrote:
It would be pretty easy to modify this to have a separate C (curve) parameter for attack and decay/release (or even separate C's for decay and release as well, if one were so inclined).
Actually I believe that it's not that easy at all, if you want to get retriggered envelopes right. If you need to enter a release phase with a concave curve, while your still in an attacke phase with a convex curve, it's tricky to do this in a clickless way
Ciao
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Phil Stone hat gesagt: // Phil Stone wrote:
It would be pretty easy to modify this to have a separate C (curve) parameter for attack and decay/release (or even separate C's for decay and release as well, if one were so inclined).
Actually I believe that it's not that easy at all, if you want to get retriggered envelopes right. If you need to enter a release phase with a concave curve, while your still in an attacke phase with a convex curve, it's tricky to do this in a clickless way
Ciao
Agreed, and given that an abstraction I made for something similar using fexpr~ used 20% of my CPU for just one instance, I went the C route and made my first DSP external, which is around 10 times faster.
Source code here:
https://devel.goto10.org/listing.php?repname=maximus&path=%2Fanalogue%2F...
It operates completely in the signal domain.
inlets: ~ trigger (rising edge triggers attack, falling edge triggers release) ~ attack time ~ peak level ~ decay time ~ sustain level ~ release time ~ threshold (when the output rises above the threshold (values just below 1 work best), the mode switches from attack to decay+sustain)
output: ~ curved envelope (true exponential decay shapes for all phases, as documented here: http://www.music.mcgill.ca/~gary/306/week11/envelopes.html )
Claude
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