Cocoa is what Apple calls their native GUI toolkit. Pd uses Tcl/Tk for the GUI, so its not Cocoa. Apple Mail is definitely Cocoa, as are basically all of the apps that Apple includes. Something like Firefox is not a Cocoa app.
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On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 18:14 +0100, Joson Android wrote:
I'm not sure whether it is a problem with Pd at all. With other apps it works though, tested it with mail. I don't understand the cocoa hint. But as i said, its not my biggest concern to get it running, so please don't you put too much brain in it either..
best,
jo
On 01.02.2012, at 18:06, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Are you sure this is a problem with Pd? Try other apps and see what happens there. For me the Language Switcher launches the wrong Pd, but that's a bug in that app, I think. I just tried Language Switcher on some other apps, it doesn't seem to like non-Cocoa apps. I recommend contacting the Language Switcher developer about that.
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On Feb 1, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Joson Android wrote:
now i used the build of first of feb. osx pd-extended105x86
still the same:
For me it also shows 28 languages, but language switcher crashes when i try to open Pd through it, and has no effect, if i try opening pd without it.
it would be cool to switch, but i can live with both: pd in German (my mother tongue), or my operating system in English..
best wishes,
jo
On 30.01.2012, at 20:52, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Did you use today's or yesterday's build?
.hc
On Jan 30, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Joson Android wrote:
For me it also shows 28 languages, but language switcher crashes when i try to open Pd through it, and has no effect, if i try opening pd without it.
best wishes,
jo
On 29.01.2012, at 20:38, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Jan 29, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Max wrote:
> Am 28.01.2012 um 19:52 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: >> On Jan 27, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Max wrote: >> Am 24.01.2012 um 15:37 schrieb Joson Android: >>>> One thing bothers me: How to change the language from German to English? >>>> >>>> MacOSX10.6.7 >>> >>> Apple allowed to change the language of a single Application through the properties (Ctrl-i) on the Application Icon until OS 10.5 but removed this feature with 10.6 >>> >>> Now there are 3rd party tools which let you still do that: >>> http://www.tj-hd.co.uk/en-gb/languageswitcher/ >>> however this app doesn't see the languages in Pd it claims it's only in english. >>> This might be a bug of that specific tool or a bug how the multiple languages are implemented in Pd(-ext). >> >> I just tested today's build with Language Switch, it shows 28 languages. Try it out and let me know if it doesn't work for you. > > Hi hans, thanks for that - i downloaded Pd-0.43.1-extended-macosx105-i386.dmg and unfortunately it doesn't work for me, the Pd icon is missing too. If i try to open the plist in xcode it tells me that it has been corrupted. > replacing it with the one you posted makes the program not launchable any more.
Oops, silly bug, I forgot about how limited Mac OS X's built-in sed is. I checked the fix in, or if you want to test now, replace the Info.plist in the app with the attached one.
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Le 2012-02-01 à 21:21:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
Cocoa is what Apple calls their native GUI toolkit. Pd uses Tcl/Tk for the GUI, so its not Cocoa. Apple Mail is definitely Cocoa, as are basically all of the apps that Apple includes. Something like Firefox is not a Cocoa app.
Pd is «half» of a Cocoa app, because on one hand Tcl/Tk on OSX is a portability layer over Cocoa, but on the other hand doesn't follow every convention specified by Cocoa, and isn't designed to let a Tcl/Tk app access every existing Cocoa feature either.
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On Feb 2, 2012, at 1:59 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Le 2012-02-01 à 21:21:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
Cocoa is what Apple calls their native GUI toolkit. Pd uses Tcl/Tk for the GUI, so its not Cocoa. Apple Mail is definitely Cocoa, as are basically all of the apps that Apple includes. Something like Firefox is not a Cocoa app.
Pd is «half» of a Cocoa app, because on one hand Tcl/Tk on OSX is a portability layer over Cocoa, but on the other hand doesn't follow every convention specified by Cocoa, and isn't designed to let a Tcl/Tk app access every existing Cocoa feature either.
Tk/Cocoa is Cocoa, Pd-extended is still using Tk/Carbon. Hopefully we can switch to Tk/Cocoa in 0.44.
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Le 2012-02-02 à 22:12:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
On Feb 2, 2012, at 1:59 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Pd is «half» of a Cocoa app, because on one hand Tcl/Tk on OSX is a portability layer over Cocoa, but on the other hand doesn't follow every convention specified by Cocoa, and isn't designed to let a Tcl/Tk app access every existing Cocoa feature either.
Tk/Cocoa is Cocoa, Pd-extended is still using Tk/Carbon. Hopefully we can switch to Tk/Cocoa in 0.44.
Right. What I say only applies if replacing the word Cocoa by the word Carbon. In any case, making Tk buttons and sliders on either Tk/Carbon or Tk/Cocoa gives round Aqua buttons & sliders using Apple's code (no imitation), but people using Tk are often not trying to follow Apple's UI guidelines, except maybe the most important ones.
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