i'm having problems replying to the list (sometimes it happens sometimes not)

please read the 3 following messeges in reverse order

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On 08/07/2023 16:46, Lucas Cordiviola wrote: I think all the trouble originated by running the uninstaller (which was installed by admin) from an non admin user.

seems this one also didn't kick in to the list

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On 08/07/2023 19:15, Marc D. Demers wrote:

On my side, Pd run perfectly under Windows 10 Pro… gonna look your files if I can help…

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So back on track to the Pd List...

The bad thing under Windows 10 64-bit started yesterday when I used the Uninstall included into Pd 0.53.2 prior trying to install Pd 0.54.0 (see my previous emails here below). By the way today I updated Purr Data from 2.19.2 to 2.19.3 and everything went well including the launch of the application an use of my patches. The Uninstall previous version function included directly into the program has made its job. And yes, I'm since years with only one account with Admin rights and never had such kind of issue under Windows 10 Pro neither with Pd Vanilla, nor Pd-L2Ork nor Purr Data, nor now PlugData.

So if both Pd 0.54.0 .exe and .zip are effectively working on other Windows 10 machines (PLEASE DO CONFIRM), I do need to investigate in depth what happened on mine!

-----Message d'origine----- De : Lucarda [mailto:lucarda@lucarda.com.ar] Envoyé : dimanche 9 juillet 2023 00:24 À : Linux ROUEN Cc : mpuckette@cloud.ucsd.edu Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

Also have a look at my last answer to Miller where the unzipped “pd-0.54-0.msw.zip” file is not working too.

OMG! what is happening with your machine? i'm totally lost :)

looking at the pics you posted to the list: why you could not write files if you are admin?

why you can't run your unzipped “pd-0.54-0.msw.zip” ? really lost!!!

please don't reply to me on this address and lets continue on the pd-list.

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De : Linux ROUEN [mailto:linux.rouen@free.fr] Envoyé : dimanche 9 juillet 2023 00:08 À : 'Lucarda' Cc : 'mpuckette@cloud.ucsd.edu' Objet : RE: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running! Hello Lucarda,

I’m running Window 10 Pro with an Administrator account since years (see here below picture). As written, I never had this kind of issue with Pd Vanilla neither 0.53.0, nor 0.53.1 and 0.53.2. Nevertheless, I will investigate your 3 messages and will see.

Also have a look at my last answer to Miller where the unzipped “pd-0.54-0.msw.zip” file is not working too.

Thanks, Joseph Gastelais

-----Message d'origine----- De : Linux ROUEN [mailto:linux.rouen@free.fr] Envoyé : samedi 8 juillet 2023 23:44 À : 'Miller Puckette' Cc : 'pd-list@lists.iem.at' Objet : RE: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

Done... pd-0.54-0.msw.zip... but there is no "pd.cmd" inside the "\Desktop\pd-0.54-0\bin" folder... only "pd.com" and "pd.exe".

Double-clicking on "pd.com" opens for about 1 second a terminal but doesn't launch Pd Vanilla. Double-clicking on "pd.exe" doesn't launch Pd Vanilla. In both case, no "wish" found in the Windows Tasks Manager.

Thanks.

-----Message d'origine----- De : Miller Puckette [mailto:mpuckette@cloud.ucsd.edu] Envoyé : samedi 8 juillet 2023 23:04 À : Linux ROUEN Cc : pd-list@lists.iem.at Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

Well, the "System tells there is already a Pd installation" message looks suspicious - but I don't understand the inner workings of the installer generator ("nsis") that makes the .exe file so I'm not sure if it's anything to worry about.

OTOH, one thing to try would be to manually ... grab the ".zip" file and unzip it somewhere in your own files (desktop is OK), then click inside "PD\bin" and try starting "pd.cmd" (the terminal app version) and see what it says/does.

From the fact that you have a hung "Wish" app but no "pd" I think somehow the gui application (a Wish script) is somehow not even getting to where it tries to start pd, which is a separate application with no GUI.

Meanwhile I can't get to a Windows 10 machine myself until Wednesday so I can't test any of this myself yet.

Thanks for the reporting in any case! Miller = = = = = = = = = =

On 7/8/23 08:02, Linux ROUEN wrote:

Hello Miller, Thanks for your reply.

No more luck trying to launch Pd Vanilla 0.54.0 after my 3rd installation attempt under Windows 10.

Installation procedure (with antivirus disabled):

• Manually deleted "C:\Program Files\Pd" folder,
• Manually deleted Pd Vanilla "StartMenu" entries,
• Rebooted my PC,
• Installed "pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe" file without any errors, . except a warning message at the beginning of the procedure stating that: "System tells there is already a Pd installation" which impossible!
• At the end of the installation, ran Pure Data 0.54.0, but nothing happened!
• In the Windows Tasks Manager, Wish is running but no Pd.

See the attached zip file summarizing the above.

Best, Joseph Gastelais

-----Message d'origine----- De : Pd-list [mailto:pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at] De la part de Miller Puckette Envoyé : samedi 8 juillet 2023 15:24 À : pd-list@lists.iem.at Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

Well, first off I'd like to see if you can get back up and running 0.53 OK - then we can confidently try to figure out what happened with 0.54.

I think the machine failed to un-install Pd 0.54 because it was running somehow without showing any windows. The fix for that would be to look in the "task manager" (open that using the famous control-alt-delete key combination) and find all copies of Pd that are running, and kill them. At that point an "uninstall" should work, but it would be simpler and more direct simply to delete the folder "\Program Files\Pd".

Once that's done you should be able to install and run Pd 0.53 as it was working before.

NExt step, since this is Windows, might be simply to reinstall 0.54 and try it again. If it doesn't immediately work then let's try together to figure out why and how to fix it :)

Miller = = = = = = = = = = On 7/7/23 18:34, Linux ROUEN wrote:

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Hello Pd List,

Under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit, the previous 3 versions 0.53.0, 0.53.1 and 0.53.2 of Pure Data Vanilla were working okay, but not the latest 0.54.0 version!

I tried today to update to it using the ‘pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe’ file from Miller’s site but after the installation trying to launch it nothing happens.

Installation procedure (with antivirus disabled):

• Uninstall Pd 0.53.2: okay
• Install ‘pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe’: everything went well
• Launch Pd 0.54.0: nothing happens!
• Uninstall Pd 0.54.0: okay
• Reinstall ‘pd-0.53-2.windows-installer.exe’: but lot of errors which

was not the case previously!

• Launch Pd 0.53.2: it’s opening?!

See the attached zip file for the error messages.

• Uninstall Pd 0.53.2: okay
• Reinstall ‘pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe’: but now a lot of errors

like with 0.53.2 reinstallation!

• Launch Pd 0.54.0: still nothing happens!!

See the attached zip file for the error messages.

See also the attached Pd Bin & Font zip file for the folders content.

Any idea what is going wrong with Pd 0.54.0 installation and now also with Pd 0.53.2 reinstallation? Everything seems to be broken!

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Hello Lucas,

I have made an in-depth cleaning of my Windows system and then installed for the 4th time Pd Vanilla 0.54.0 (.exe), but still no luck I can't launch the application, nothing happens.

I'm not a Windows Registry specialist but the here attached 2 files are a snapshot of Pd Preferences and not about the program itself, or it's missing something.

• Pure-Data-0.54.0_REG-1.txt = "Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Pure-Data"
• Pure-Data-0.54.0_REG-2.txt = "Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Pure-Data\org.puredata.pd.pd-gui"

I hope this will help.

As a remainder, my troubles started when I used the Uninstall program of Pd 0.53.2 prior installing for the 1st time Pd 0.54.0 .exe. During my above cleaning I discovered that Pd 0.53.2 was not really uninstalled, as seen by the system, even if the C:\Program Files\Pd folder was gone. This is why during my 3rd installation Pd Installer gave me such a warning that Pd 0.54.0 is already installed, it was confusing. And when removing properly Pd 0.53.2 with Programs & Functionalities it also removed Pd 0.54.0. But this doesn't solved my issue.

Thanks, Joseph Gastelais

-----Message d'origine----- De : Pd-list [mailto:pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at] De la part de Lucas Cordiviola Envoyé : dimanche 9 juillet 2023 02:05 À : pd-list@lists.iem.at Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

On 08/07/2023 20:04, Linux ROUEN wrote:

So back on track to the Pd List...

please do:

• open windows registry editor and navigate to

"Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Pure-Data"

• on the left pane right-click on "Pure Data" folder
  • select "export"
    • in the "save as type" select "txt"
    • give it a name and hit "save"
• do the same export but this time on folder

"Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Pure-Data\org.puredata.pd.pd-gui"

• attach both files and post them in this list.

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On 7/9/2023 2:34 AM, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:

now Pd **should** run.

further more:

i tried to corrupt my registry to "0 -2" in the key of my previous mail but Pd starts anyway so i'm lost again.

please do the following:

- in the file explorer navigate to "C:\Program Files\Pd\bin"

- in the address menu type "cmd" and hit enter

- now a new window with a prompt appear "C:\Program Files\Pd64\bin>"

- type "pd" (no quotes) and hit enter

what does the terminal print?

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Hello Lucas,

With the command "pd" or "pd.com" from within the appropriate Pd folder the terminal prints nothing, only running +/- 1 second then returns to its waiting state. This is true for both the installed version (C:\Program Files\Pd\bin) awa the portable version (H:\JOE-W10\Desktop\pd-0.54-0 Portable\bin) of Pd 0.54.0.

Microsoft Windows [version 10.0.19045.3086] (c) Microsoft Corporation. Tous droits réservés. C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>pd.com -or- pd "blank line" C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>

QUESTION: I'm seeing in your here below email: "C:\Program Files\Pd64\bin>"? When on my PC is "C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>"! Am I missing something about this 64-bit?

Thanks, Joseph

-----Message d'origine----- De : Pd-list [mailto:pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at] De la part de Lucas Cordiviola Envoyé : dimanche 9 juillet 2023 09:31 À : pd-list@lists.iem.at Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

On 7/9/2023 2:34 AM, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:

now Pd **should** run.

further more: i tried to corrupt my registry to "0 -2" in the key of my previous mail but Pd starts anyway so i'm lost again.

please do the following:

• in the file explorer navigate to "C:\Program Files\Pd\bin"
• in the address menu type "cmd" and hit enter
  • now a new window with a prompt appear "C:\Program Files\Pd64\bin>"
• type "pd" (no quotes) and hit enter

what does the terminal print?

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Hello IOhannes,

Unfortunately the situation is still the same than previously even with "pd.com -stderr -verbose". No printout in the CMD terminal and I can't run Pd Vanilla 0.54.0.

Microsoft Windows [version 10.0.19045.3086] (c) Microsoft Corporation. Tous droits réservés. C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>pd.com -stderr -verbose "blank line" for about 1 second C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>

After further searching on my PC, I was able to find the Windows AppCrash report (in the hidden C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\WER\ReportArchive) for this test which is here attached: "AppCrash_pd.com_Report1.wer" file (text format). As we can see on lines 29-32 the culprit (direct or indirect) seems to be the "ntdll.dll" module. This is true for both the installed version (C:\Program Files\Pd\bin) awa the portable version (H:\JOE-W10\Desktop\pd-0.54-0 Portable\bin) of Pd 0.54.0.

Can somebody understands this pd.com crash report and gives directions for further investigations?

Thanks, Joseph

-----Message d'origine----- De : Pd-list [mailto:pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at] De la part de IOhannes m zmölnig Envoyé : dimanche 9 juillet 2023 17:03 À : pd-list@lists.iem.at Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

Am 9. Juli 2023 14:44:40 MESZ schrieb Linux ROUEN linux.rouen@free.fr:

Hello Lucas,

With the command "pd" or "pd.com" from within the appropriate Pd folder the

terminal prints nothing, only running +/- 1 second then returns to its waiting state.

Ah, I missed that Lucas already suggested running on on the cmdline. Anyhow, run Pd with -stderr and -verbose:

pd.com -stderr -verbose

QUESTION: I'm seeing in your here below email: "C:\Program

Files\Pd64\bin>"?

When on my PC is "C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>"! Am I missing something about this 64-bit?

No

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Hello Christof,

1. Unfortunately here is the same no printout and no Pd launch as during my

previous tests. Microsoft Windows [version 10.0.19045.3086] (c) Microsoft Corporation. Tous droits réservés. C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>pd.com -noprefs "blank line" for +/- 1 second C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>pd.com -nogui "blank line" for +/- 1 second C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>

So within a CMD terminal the following commands

• pd.com
• pd.com -stderr -verbose
• pd.com -nogui
• pd.com -noprefs

give the same "no result" for both the installed and the portable versions of Pd 0.54.0.

2. Windows AppCrash report excerpts for "pd.com" for above 2 tests are not

only about loaded modules but also a pointer to where the issue "could start" ==>. Version=1 EventType=APPCRASH ..... Wow64Host=34404 NsAppName=pd.com ..... Sig[0].Name=Nom de l’application Sig[0].Value=pd.com Sig[1].Name=Version de l’application Sig[1].Value=0.0.0.0 Sig[2].Name=Horodatage de l’application Sig[2].Value=00000000 ==> Sig[3].Name=Nom du module défaillant = Name of the failing module ==> Sig[3].Value=ntdll.dll Sig[4].Name=Version du module défaillant = Version of the failing module Sig[4].Value=10.0.19041.3086 Sig[5].Name=Horodateur du module défaillant Sig[5].Value=6349a4f2 Sig[6].Name=Code de l’exception = Exception Code Sig[6].Value=c0000026 Sig[7].Name=Décalage de l’exception Sig[7].Value=0000000000102676 .....

3. NTDLL.DLL excerpt from Wikipedia

NTDLL.DLL exports the Windows Native API. The Native API is the interface used by user-mode components of the operating system that must run without support from Win32 or other API subsystems. Most of this API is implemented in NTDLL.DLL and at the upper edge of ntoskrnl.exe (and its variants), and the majority of exported symbols within these libraries are prefixed Nt, for example NtDisplayString. Native APIs are also used to implement many of the "kernel APIs" or "base APIs" exported by KERNEL32.DLL. The large majority of Windows applications do not call NTDLL.DLL directly.

Thanks, Joseph

-----Message d'origine----- De : Pd-list [mailto:pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at] De la part de Christof Ressi Envoyé : dimanche 9 juillet 2023 23:14 À : pd-list@lists.iem.at Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

Hi,

After further searching on my PC, I was able to find the Windows AppCrash report (in the hidden C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\WER\ReportArchive) for this test which is here attached: "AppCrash_pd.com_Report1.wer" file (text format). As we can see on lines 29-32 the culprit (direct or indirect) seems to be the "ntdll.dll" module.

this is just the list of loaded modules. It doesn't say anything about where the crash happens.

Please try to run Pd from the command line with the following flags and tell the results:

1. pd.com -noprefs
2. pd.com -nogui

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Hello Christof,

No chance at all! "pd.com -noaudio" awa "pd.com -stderr -verbose -noprefs -nogui -noaudio" give the same "no result" than all my previous tests with Pd 0.54.0.

For the time being, I'm giving up on my production PC which has a multi-boot 3x GNU/Linux + Windows 10 and will use for Windows another PC which has a working Pd Vanilla 0.52.3 installed (of course, I will not try to update it). In a couple of days, I will reinvestigate my production PC and will try to reinstall first Pd 0.53.2 under Windows 10, as even that is not working for the time being. Fortunately the updated Purr Data 2.19.3 is running like a charm, but without Else and the up-to-date Cyclone 0.7.

Many thanks to All for your contribution. Joseph Gastelais

-----Message d'origine----- De : Pd-list [mailto:pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at] De la part de Christof Ressi Envoyé : lundi 10 juillet 2023 02:28 À : pd-list@lists.iem.at Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

So within a CMD terminal the following commands

• pd.com
• pd.com -stderr -verbose
• pd.com -nogui
• pd.com -noprefs

give the same "no result" for both the installed and the portable versions of Pd 0.54.0.

Ok, thanks for testing. So it has nothing to do with the registry or with the gui preferences...

Now, can you also try "pd.com -noaudio"? And also "pd.com -stderr -verbose -noprefs -nogui -noaudio"?

==> Sig[3].Name=Nom du module défaillant = Name of the failing module ==> Sig[3].Value=ntdll.dll

Ah, right I missed that. Unfortunately, the crash report is very vague. To get the actual reason for the crash you would need to run Pd in a debugger...

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Hello Lucas, Unfortunately your trick is not improving my situation. This is true for both the installed version awa the portable version of Pd 0.54.0. Thanks, Joseph

-----Message d'origine----- De : Pd-list [mailto:pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at] De la part de Lucas Cordiviola Envoyé : dimanche 9 juillet 2023 07:35 À : pd-list@lists.iem.at Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

On 7/8/2023 10:17 PM, Linux ROUEN wrote:

I have made an in-depth cleaning of my Windows system and then installed for the 4th time Pd Vanilla 0.54.0 (.exe), but still no luck I can't launch the application, nothing happens. ...

Joseph thanks for the report!

there is something wrong here: from your attached "Pure-Data-0.54.0_REG-1.txt"

Valeur 3
   Nom :            audioindev1
   Type :            REG_EXPAND_SZ
   Données :            0 -2

this should be "Données : 0 2" without the negative 2

I don't know "how" or "why" the "0 -2" got into the registry. May be related to the new WASAPI functionality introduced in 0.54-0. but this is only speculation.

to fix this there are 2 methods, try them in the following order.

------1 (Debussy: Syrinx) (you don't loose prefs)

• open windows registry editor and navigate to

"Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Pure-Data"

• in the right pane right-click over "audioindev1" and select "Modifiy.."
• set the "value data" to "0 2" (without the the quotes, just the two

numbers)

• hit OK

hopefully Pd should run.

------2 (Deep Purple: Burn) (all prefs are gone)

• open windows registry editor and navigate to

"Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Pure-Data"

• in the left pane right-click over "Pure-Data" and select "Delete"

now Pd **should** run.

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