Hey all,
I decided to stick up a wiki page for this GSoC organization
application. Then everyone can see it, contribute to it, and find it
next year when we want to raid it for text for the next application :)
http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/GSoCOrganizationApp2008
Feel free to add anything to it, whether it be paragraphs or bullet
points. Then I put the whole thing together to submit tomorrow.
.hc
News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is
publicity. - Bill Moyers
How'd the application submission go? Did you get as many mentors as you'd hoped?
Unfortunately the March 24th-30th window is exactly when most of my end of term projects are due so I'd like to get working on my student application this weekend with hopes that the mentoring application process goes through smoothly ;)
Currently I'm considering applying for LibPD (depending on scope/difficulty, I'd love to help get PluggoPD working) or possibly Speech Recognition as a secondary interest.
Since I'm a noob to actual PD development (I have some experience creating and compiling externals, but that's the extent) so I've got some trouble with scoping the issues. At the moment, the LibPD project just seems to me like a "fiddle with makefiles" project but I'm pretty sure there's a lot more to it than that so I'd like to pick someone's (Chris?) brain about it a bit in order to make a good and clear application.
Also, is this list the forum I should be discussing this in? Is PD-devel more appropriate? IRC?
I was also about to ask whether you really expected proposals close to the 7500 word limit I read about in the GSoC FAQ, but I just re-read it and figured out it's 7500 _characters_. ~1000 words seems a lot more reasonable ;)
Cheers,
-martin
On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 10:46 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Hey all,
I decided to stick up a wiki page for this GSoC organization
application. Then everyone can see it, contribute to it, and find it
next year when we want to raid it for text for the next application :)http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/GSoCOrganizationApp2008
Feel free to add anything to it, whether it be paragraphs or bullet
points. Then I put the whole thing together to submit tomorrow..hc
News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is
publicity. - Bill Moyers
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Better luck next year... we didn't get it:
http://code.google.com/soc/2008/
A word to everyone for future reference, personal connections are key
in getting grants. So if anyone here ever meets Chris DiBona, Greg
Stein and Leslie Hawthorn, tell them about the wonders of Pd. Or
better yet, show them! :)
There is always the possibility of some joint projects with things like:
Blender OGRE OpenMoko ffmpeg Ruby
.hc
On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:23 AM, Martin Eckart wrote:
How'd the application submission go? Did you get as many mentors as you'd hoped?
Unfortunately the March 24th-30th window is exactly when most of
my end of term projects are due so I'd like to get working on my student application this weekend with hopes that the mentoring application process goes through smoothly ;)Currently I'm considering applying for LibPD (depending on scope/difficulty, I'd love to help get PluggoPD working) or possibly Speech Recognition as a secondary interest.
Since I'm a noob to actual PD development (I have some experience creating and compiling externals, but that's the extent) so I've got some trouble with scoping the issues. At the moment, the LibPD
project just seems to me like a "fiddle with makefiles" project but I'm pretty sure there's a lot more to it than that so I'd like to pick someone's (Chris?) brain about it a bit in order to make a good and clear application.Also, is this list the forum I should be discussing this in? Is PD-devel more appropriate? IRC?
I was also about to ask whether you really expected proposals close to the 7500 word limit I read about in the GSoC FAQ, but I just re- read it and figured out it's 7500 _characters_. ~1000 words seems a lot more reasonable ;)
Cheers,
-martin
On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 10:46 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Hey all,
I decided to stick up a wiki page for this GSoC organization application. Then everyone can see it, contribute to it, and find it next year when we want to raid it for text for the next
application :)http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/GSoCOrganizationApp2008
Feel free to add anything to it, whether it be paragraphs or bullet points. Then I put the whole thing together to submit tomorrow.
.hc
News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers
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"[W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are
deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from
scarcity." -John Gilmore
that's really bad to hear, especially since iem was already getting money last year. do you think there was a problem with last years projects?
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
A word to everyone for future reference, personal connections are key
in getting grants.
or maybe supporting pd is useless for google. don't you think they sponsor projects that google can benefit from? maybe next year...
marius.
Hallo!
marius schebella schrieb:
that's really bad to hear, especially since iem was already getting money last year. do you think there was a problem with last years projects?
Maybe there were too few student-applications last year ...
or maybe supporting pd is useless for google. don't you think they sponsor projects that google can benefit from? maybe next year...
Hm, I don't think so - CLAM and similar other projects are also in.
LG Georg
Maybe it's a pecking order thing. After applying two consecutive years we should be in with a much better chance next year (assuming there's some fairness in the review process and history is taken into account)
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:53:39 +0100 Georg Holzmann grh@mur.at wrote:
Hallo!
marius schebella schrieb:
that's really bad to hear, especially since iem was already getting money last year. do you think there was a problem with last years projects?
Maybe there were too few student-applications last year ...
or maybe supporting pd is useless for google. don't you think they sponsor projects that google can benefit from? maybe next year...
Hm, I don't think so - CLAM and similar other projects are also in.
LG Georg
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I think they want to see more polish on the app. I had a brief
conversation with the administrator of GSoC, Leslie Hawthorn:
http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/GoogleSummerOfCodeIdeas/
lh: _hc: you made our short list and i have heard good things about
you. your ideas could have been fleshed out a lot more though
lh: _hc: many ideas did not have any supporting write ups at al.
lh: all even
_hc: lh: yeah, it we should have put more work into it, but you think
the project fits in well with GSoC?
lh: _hc: absolutely, we just need more meat from you next time.
_hc: lh: yeah, we are pretty chaotic, it was an open wiki, so people
just added from the list discussions
_hc: lh: is it best then to only have polished ideas on that page?
lh: _hc: yes, or indicate that some are not well polished
Now that this whole thing is up on puredata.info, it will be much
easier to improve upon the application, rather than starting from
scratch again.
.hc
On Mar 17, 2008, at 7:30 PM, Andy Farnell wrote:
Maybe it's a pecking order thing. After applying two consecutive years we should be in with a much better chance next year (assuming there's some fairness in the review process and history is taken into account)
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:53:39 +0100 Georg Holzmann grh@mur.at wrote:
Hallo!
marius schebella schrieb:
that's really bad to hear, especially since iem was already getting money last year. do you think there was a problem with last years
projects?Maybe there were too few student-applications last year ...
or maybe supporting pd is useless for google. don't you think they sponsor projects that google can benefit from? maybe next year...
Hm, I don't think so - CLAM and similar other projects are also in.
LG Georg
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All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies,
one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better
language; and every chapter must be so translated.... -John Donne
That's sad to hear. A little frustrating since they really only gave a 2.5 week warning for this. I guess I could try to do libPD, get it going on openmoko for:
"Ambient Noise Detection
Wishlist:Software:Ambient_Noise_Detection could be implemented
as a
D-Bus-utilizing daemon that controls/signals the other daemons
according
to environmental sound levels."
Maybe? :p
-martin
On Mon, 2008-03-17 at 20:12 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I think they want to see more polish on the app. I had a brief
conversation with the administrator of GSoC, Leslie Hawthorn:http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/GoogleSummerOfCodeIdeas/
lh: _hc: you made our short list and i have heard good things about
you. your ideas could have been fleshed out a lot more though lh: _hc: many ideas did not have any supporting write ups at al. lh: all even _hc: lh: yeah, it we should have put more work into it, but you think
the project fits in well with GSoC? lh: _hc: absolutely, we just need more meat from you next time. _hc: lh: yeah, we are pretty chaotic, it was an open wiki, so people
just added from the list discussions _hc: lh: is it best then to only have polished ideas on that page? lh: _hc: yes, or indicate that some are not well polishedNow that this whole thing is up on puredata.info, it will be much
easier to improve upon the application, rather than starting from
scratch again..hc
On Mar 17, 2008, at 7:30 PM, Andy Farnell wrote:
Maybe it's a pecking order thing. After applying two consecutive years we should be in with a much better chance next year (assuming there's some fairness in the review process and history is taken into account)
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:53:39 +0100 Georg Holzmann grh@mur.at wrote:
Hallo!
marius schebella schrieb:
that's really bad to hear, especially since iem was already getting money last year. do you think there was a problem with last years
projects?Maybe there were too few student-applications last year ...
or maybe supporting pd is useless for google. don't you think they sponsor projects that google can benefit from? maybe next year...
Hm, I don't think so - CLAM and similar other projects are also in.
LG Georg
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Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb:
I think they want to see more polish on the app. I had a brief
conversation with the administrator of GSoC, Leslie Hawthorn:
Hm, I don't know ... We had really many ideas on the page and described in many details (at least the most of them) - much more than last year. Also the other organizations I was looking through did have much less ideas without a detailed description ...
However, of course it can be better for the next time ;)
LG Georg
On Mar 18, 2008, at 4:30 AM, Georg Holzmann wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb:
I think they want to see more polish on the app. I had a brief
conversation with the administrator of GSoC, Leslie Hawthorn:Hm, I don't know ... We had really many ideas on the page and described in many details
(at least the most of them) - much more than last year. Also the other organizations I was looking through did have much
less ideas without a detailed description ...However, of course it can be better for the next time ;)
I think they wanted to see the whole page look polished. We had a
lot of ideas, some polished, and some just jotted down.
.hc
Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic
On Tue, 2008-03-18 at 15:08 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Mar 18, 2008, at 4:30 AM, Georg Holzmann wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb:
I think they want to see more polish on the app. I had a brief
conversation with the administrator of GSoC, Leslie Hawthorn:Hm, I don't know ... We had really many ideas on the page and described in many details
(at least the most of them) - much more than last year. Also the other organizations I was looking through did have much
less ideas without a detailed description ...However, of course it can be better for the next time ;)
I think they wanted to see the whole page look polished. We had a
lot of ideas, some polished, and some just jotted down.
Well at least the list is there now. Pity about the application, I was looking forward to it :-(
Anyhow - had I known about the ideas needing more fleshing out I would have been happy to do so. Here's to next year's app with more flesh on the bones!
BTW, I also wonder if we would have a better chance if we had some kind of already established 'Foundation' - I see this word popping up a lot on the participating organisations page. I know Pd enjoys its de-centralised status, but having some kind of semi-formal 'Foundation' seems to help with things like funding applications. What do you think?
Jamie
Jamie Bullock wrote:
BTW, I also wonder if we would have a better chance if we had some kind of already established 'Foundation' - I see this word popping up a lot on the participating organisations page. I know Pd enjoys its de-centralised status, but having some kind of semi-formal 'Foundation' seems to help with things like funding applications. What do you think?
hey jamie, I think it would have been easier, but I am not sure if it would have been better. I tried to push something like that in the past, but any group you want to found would never represent all interests. I think there are different "interest groups" in the pd community, but as you said, some centralized "government"... don't think so. Today I would say, let's go for a foundation, but the foundation would not be "the" pd foundation, just "a" foundation. I think foundations help to channel and bundle efforts like summer of code, coding in general, bugfixing, documentation, tutorials, website, forums, meetings, grants, donations, art events, pd conventions... it could support a special distribution like pd-extended or a special branch like desiredata or even a special pd-application like netpd. I also think that people who want to donate money should have the possibility to do so. right now there is none. marius.
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