Hi, welll, so "someone" needs to take over? I would definately be interested on this. I do, nevertheless, feel I bit clueless as I dont know the way to the source of all objects. And cant really be an expert on things other than audio/music.
I also consider rather unfair to be the work of only one ho has taken over. I do believe in forming a team, things like that.
Anyway, with the convention this year and all, I hope to bring this issue into round tables and discussions, make some noise on the list to see if a small group would move a bit their asses to launch this out.
I could kinda take it over this way. I could definately make the commitment. But I cant be the one and only. I am not even a Native Speaker/Writer of English.
So please help me out here, I also need a partner to guide me and help me not getting so bit clueless.
Cheers Alex
the "someone" would be in charge of the server space and the maintainance of the mediawiki (accounts, updates, spam, search functionality, synchronization with other documentations). this could also be done by several people, but usually the responsibility is with one person. all the rest can easily be done by a group of admins or even be totally open to the public.
I guess the work that is missing at the moment is not so much about writing all the articles. marius.
2009/3/31 Alexandre Porres porres@gmail.com:
Hi, welll, so "someone" needs to take over? I would definately be interested on this. I do, nevertheless, feel I bit clueless as I dont know the way to the source of all objects. And cant really be an expert on things other than audio/music. I also consider rather unfair to be the work of only one ho has taken over. I do believe in forming a team, things like that. Anyway, with the convention this year and all, I hope to bring this issue into round tables and discussions, make some noise on the list to see if a small group would move a bit their asses to launch this out. I could kinda take it over this way. I could definately make the commitment. But I cant be the one and only. I am not even a Native Speaker/Writer of English. So please help me out here, I also need a partner to guide me and help me not getting so bit clueless. Cheers Alex
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the server space & the maintenance is currently done by claudio the sys-admin at the school here in zürich where the wiki is hostet atm. so far he's been trying to maintain it as much as possible - sometimes certain request take more time - queuing up on other things that need to be done. but so far ev'rything should be on the line. recently php-admin was installed for user management & should be up & functional. the spam issue we've discussed on the list & i got the consensus to clean up the mess by hand. So if there's any lack regarding the hosting or enhancements please let me know & i'll forward it. olsen
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:46 PM, marius schebella marius.schebella@gmail.com wrote:
the "someone" would be in charge of the server space and the maintainance of the mediawiki (accounts, updates, spam, search functionality, synchronization with other documentations). this could also be done by several people, but usually the responsibility is with one person. all the rest can easily be done by a group of admins or even be totally open to the public.
I guess the work that is missing at the moment is not so much about writing all the articles. marius.
2009/3/31 Alexandre Porres porres@gmail.com:
Hi, welll, so "someone" needs to take over? I would definately be interested on this. I do, nevertheless, feel I bit clueless as I dont know the way to the source of all objects. And cant really be an expert on things other than audio/music. I also consider rather unfair to be the work of only one ho has taken over. I do believe in forming a team, things like that. Anyway, with the convention this year and all, I hope to bring this issue into round tables and discussions, make some noise on the list to see if a small group would move a bit their asses to launch this out. I could kinda take it over this way. I could definately make the commitment. But I cant be the one and only. I am not even a Native Speaker/Writer of English. So please help me out here, I also need a partner to guide me and help me not getting so bit clueless. Cheers Alex
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2009/3/31 olsen wolf sesselastronaut@googlemail.com:
the server space & the maintenance is currently done by claudio the sys-admin at the school here in zürich where the wiki is hostet atm. so far he's been trying to maintain it as much as possible - sometimes certain request take more time - queuing up on other things that need to be done. but so far ev'rything should be on the line. recently php-admin was installed for user management & should be up & functional. the spam issue we've discussed on the list & i got the consensus to clean up the mess by hand.
I don't know what you mean by "clean it up by hand" but if you just mean users deleting spam edits then this is not sustainable. The spam edits are automated and so they will win any editwar. To combat spam, we need something systematic: block the spam IPs, use MediaWiki Spam Blacklist, or require users to create an account before they can edit.
The first solution could be implemented by creating more wiki admins with the power to block IPs. Obviously said people would need to be active and trusted. The other options require changing the mediawiki settings which can presumably only be done by the site admin.
So if there's any lack regarding the hosting or enhancements please let me know & i'll forward it.
Hallo!
I don't know what you mean by "clean it up by hand" but if you just mean users deleting spam edits then this is not sustainable. The spam edits are automated and so they will win any editwar. To combat spam,
+1
we need something systematic: block the spam IPs, use MediaWiki Spam Blacklist, or require users to create an account before they can edit.
Yes, or use at least captchas (if we don't want to force people to make an account) ...
LG Georg
so we need :someone" to manage the system, ok, but then I see that this problem is kinda well solved, right? But how do you all see the writting of articles? Is it growing out well? I believe "someone" could also direct how things are going, and that a main team could work on it by fomenting its development and all...
right?
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On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:46 AM, marius schebella < marius.schebella@gmail.com> wrote:
the "someone" would be in charge of the server space and the maintainance of the mediawiki (accounts, updates, spam, search functionality, synchronization with other documentations). this could also be done by several people, but usually the responsibility is with one person. all the rest can easily be done by a group of admins or even be totally open to the public.
I guess the work that is missing at the moment is not so much about writing all the articles. marius.
2009/3/31 Alexandre Porres porres@gmail.com:
Hi, welll, so "someone" needs to take over? I would definately be interested on this. I do, nevertheless, feel I bit clueless as I dont know the way to the source of all objects. And cant really be an expert on things other than audio/music. I also consider rather unfair to be the work of only one ho has taken
over.
I do believe in forming a team, things like that. Anyway, with the convention this year and all, I hope to bring this issue into round tables and discussions, make some noise on the list to see if
a
small group would move a bit their asses to launch this out. I could kinda take it over this way. I could definately make the
commitment.
But I cant be the one and only. I am not even a Native Speaker/Writer of English. So please help me out here, I also need a partner to guide me and help me not getting so bit clueless. Cheers Alex
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2009/3/31 Alexandre Porres porres@gmail.com:
so we need :someone" to manage the system, ok, but then I see that this problem is kinda well solved, right? But how do you all see the writting of articles? Is it growing out well? I believe "someone" could also direct how things are going, and that a main team could work on it by fomenting its development and all... right?
Something like a WikiProject on wikipedia? It would be good to have standards on how articles should be formatted and what kind of information should be presented. I see there has been some effort to generate a standard layout for an article on an object, with inlets, outlets, arguments and messages as separate sections; but I can't find a good article to serve as an example for how all articles should look. The best I can find is: http://wiki.puredata.info/en/dac~ http://wiki.puredata.info/en/metro If more articles looked like this, I think pdpedia would be much more useful.
Do we want pdpedia to just be a reference manual of objects, or do we also want to include design patterns such as the [pack 0 0 0 0 0]/[unpack 0 0 0 0 0] idiom mentioned elsethread, tutorials, good practices and suchlike?
Philip
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Philip Potter philip.g.potter@gmail.com wrote:
2009/3/31 Alexandre Porres porres@gmail.com:
so we need :someone" to manage the system, ok, but then I see that this problem is kinda well solved, right? But how do you all see the writting of articles? Is it growing out well? I believe "someone" could also direct how things are going, and that a main team could work on it by fomenting its development and all... right?
Something like a WikiProject on wikipedia? It would be good to have standards on how articles should be formatted and what kind of information should be presented. I see there has been some effort to generate a standard layout for an article on an object, with inlets, outlets, arguments and messages as separate sections; but I can't find a good article to serve as an example for how all articles should look. The best I can find is: http://wiki.puredata.info/en/dac~ http://wiki.puredata.info/en/metro If more articles looked like this, I think pdpedia would be much more useful.
Yo - I made this http://wiki.puredata.info/en/switch%7E long ago with the intention of it serving as an example (but of course, it could use improvement).
As you can see, it makes use of a few tricks for styling object references I added when Pdpedia was birthed - I think they were forgotten though : ). Check out the source to see how they're done.
Best Luke
Do we want pdpedia to just be a reference manual of objects, or do we also want to include design patterns such as the [pack 0 0 0 0 0]/[unpack 0 0 0 0 0] idiom mentioned elsethread, tutorials, good practices and suchlike?
Philip
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