Hi i am trying to build a granular instrument for a prototype Pd eurorack module
I am using Pd-Vanilla and Raspberry Pi and Arduino
is there a patch out there that does granualr on live input i can use for testing the setup?
pp
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020
Try disis_munger~ which is a flext external that also runs on RPi and is included with the pd-l2ork builds. The help file provides live input example.
NB: RPi's CPU is fairly limited in terms of computational power, so it is rather easy to choke it when increasing a number of concurrent voices.
HTH On May 17, 2015 12:22 PM, "Pagano, Patrick" pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu wrote:
Hi i am trying to build a granular instrument for a prototype Pd eurorack module
I am using Pd-Vanilla and Raspberry Pi and Arduino
is there a patch out there that does granualr on live input i can use for testing the setup?
pp
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Oscar Pablo Di Liscia
2015-05-17 13:20 GMT-03:00 Pagano, Patrick pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu:
Hi i am trying to build a granular instrument for a prototype Pd eurorack module
I am using Pd-Vanilla and Raspberry Pi and Arduino
is there a patch out there that does granualr on live input i can use for testing the setup?
pp
*Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A* Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020
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Going to try the mygrainer~ next
see if it throws the same error
pp
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020 ________________________________ From: oscar pablo di liscia odiliscia@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 12:51 PM To: Pagano, Patrick Cc: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis on liv input?
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Oscar Pablo Di Liscia
2015-05-17 13:20 GMT-03:00 Pagano, Patrick <pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edumailto:pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu>:
Hi i am trying to build a granular instrument for a prototype Pd eurorack module
I am using Pd-Vanilla and Raspberry Pi and Arduino
is there a patch out there that does granualr on live input i can use for testing the setup?
pp
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020
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It says that it's the wrong ELF class ELF CLASS64
I am having problems it seems like when it's a 32bit .pd_linux i get an error that says there is no shared object file or directory and when it's a 64BIT i get the ELF error.
so far i have tried
granola~ no shared object
disis_munger no shared object
mygrainer~ Wrong ELF CLASS
frustrating
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020 ________________________________ From: oscar pablo di liscia odiliscia@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 12:51 PM To: Pagano, Patrick Cc: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis on liv input?
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Oscar Pablo Di Liscia
2015-05-17 13:20 GMT-03:00 Pagano, Patrick <pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edumailto:pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu>:
Hi i am trying to build a granular instrument for a prototype Pd eurorack module
I am using Pd-Vanilla and Raspberry Pi and Arduino
is there a patch out there that does granualr on live input i can use for testing the setup?
pp
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020
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On 2015-05-17 19:11, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
It says that it's the wrong ELF class ELF CLASS64
you cannot use a binary for i386 or amd64 on a Raspberry Pi, which has an arm processor. you need to have a binary compiled esp. for this achitecture (read: compile it yourself).
fgadmf IOhannes
Thank You all for your help so far I have looked at Granola~, granita, my-grainer, dsis_munger and granny a port of Sakonda's famous Grain2.0 patch by bill orcutt, all of which failed because of the problem with compilation that Iohannes who is always so helpful mentions.
I have chosen to go with Martin's fabulous grainsamplerfx patch and modify it. I have also found that ProcesoV8 and Johann's Monolog-x are wonderful candidates for a true pure data module.
I contacted Qu-bit Electronix with hopes of a complimentary board for my research but they are not in a position to help me. They make a wonderful product called Nebulae for Eurorack but it's just too expensive for my professor salary right now. I even asked if they had scratch and dent versions that they might let go of to no avail. It apparently takes pure data AND Csound code but it seems a little more bent towards Csound, but again this is just a quick observation.
I have successfully connected an arduino uno to 6 potentiometers and poll them with Hans' Arduino2pd patch I am using a 1in/1out Creative Blaster go USB soundcard and Rpi see it and loads ALSA for it
I am experimenting now with getting the tty to be the same when i run RPI without Xwindows, i have created a few lines in the inittab to hopefully select that port each time but it's not working correctly. when i boot into X it polls and updates the Pots but when i only use commandline they are not talking to each other. The arduino is polling for sure but pd is not reacting.
Martin's patch with 6 very simple parameters sounds awesome
I would like to have a RT Granular Patch working and then work backwrds from there because it will probably be the most processor intensive, I would like to create and awesome "Curtis Filter" like Dave Smith has released http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/product/dsm01-curtis-filter-module/
Is there an example in OD that replicates such a Filter --2/4 pole resonant low-pass filter module?
The Nebulae uses samples and a microSD card for loading samples which i want to try to avoid, i would like to keep everything RT.
what do you all think? Please make suggestions of patches you think might be worth testing. I would like to manufacture the boards and design the prototype this summer since i cannot afford to direct my research to the Nebulae. This Fall i will have 30 graduate students coding with me so we will have ALOT to offer.
Patrick
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020
From: Pd-list pd-list-bounces@mail.iem.at on behalf of IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.at Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 4:52 AM To: pd-list@mail.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis on liv input?
On 2015-05-17 19:11, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
It says that it's the wrong ELF class ELF CLASS64
you cannot use a binary for i386 or amd64 on a Raspberry Pi, which has an arm processor. you need to have a binary compiled esp. for this achitecture (read: compile it yourself).
fgadmf IOhannes
Have you seen the UDOO board that have multi-core A9 CPUs, analog audio I/O and an arduino compatible microcontroller already?
http://shop.udoo.org/usa/product/udoo-dual.html
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Pagano, Patrick <pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu
wrote:
Thank You all for your help so far I have looked at Granola~, granita, my-grainer, dsis_munger and granny a port of Sakonda's famous Grain2.0 patch by bill orcutt, all of which failed because of the problem with compilation that Iohannes who is always so helpful mentions.
I have chosen to go with Martin's fabulous grainsamplerfx patch and modify it. I have also found that ProcesoV8 and Johann's Monolog-x are wonderful candidates for a true pure data module.
I contacted Qu-bit Electronix with hopes of a complimentary board for my research but they are not in a position to help me. They make a wonderful product called Nebulae for Eurorack but it's just too expensive for my professor salary right now. I even asked if they had scratch and dent versions that they might let go of to no avail. It apparently takes pure data AND Csound code but it seems a little more bent towards Csound, but again this is just a quick observation.
I have successfully connected an arduino uno to 6 potentiometers and poll them with Hans' Arduino2pd patch I am using a 1in/1out Creative Blaster go USB soundcard and Rpi see it and loads ALSA for it
I am experimenting now with getting the tty to be the same when i run RPI without Xwindows, i have created a few lines in the inittab to hopefully select that port each time but it's not working correctly. when i boot into X it polls and updates the Pots but when i only use commandline they are not talking to each other. The arduino is polling for sure but pd is not reacting.
Martin's patch with 6 very simple parameters sounds awesome
I would like to have a RT Granular Patch working and then work backwrds from there because it will probably be the most processor intensive, I would like to create and awesome "Curtis Filter" like Dave Smith has released http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/product/dsm01-curtis-filter-module/
Is there an example in OD that replicates such a Filter --2/4 pole resonant low-pass filter module?
The Nebulae uses samples and a microSD card for loading samples which i want to try to avoid, i would like to keep everything RT.
what do you all think? Please make suggestions of patches you think might be worth testing. I would like to manufacture the boards and design the prototype this summer since i cannot afford to direct my research to the Nebulae. This Fall i will have 30 graduate students coding with me so we will have ALOT to offer.
Patrick
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020
From: Pd-list pd-list-bounces@mail.iem.at on behalf of IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.at Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 4:52 AM To: pd-list@mail.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis on liv input?
On 2015-05-17 19:11, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
It says that it's the wrong ELF class ELF CLASS64
you cannot use a binary for i386 or amd64 on a Raspberry Pi, which has an arm processor. you need to have a binary compiled esp. for this achitecture (read: compile it yourself).
fgadmf IOhannes
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Looks great Chris, only thing that is weird is that it's a mic input not a line in that i get with the creative card currently. Everything else looks fancy. Would you like my address to send it? :-)
I am going to take the idea to our Innovation Hub at University of Florida and pitch the idea for the module, if it goes they might give me some seed funding --then i can explore some different cards/boards. A friend is lending his BeagleBone Black. Seriously if you want to throw in with us i'll give you p0ints later :-)
conspiring for a pd Module,
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020 ________________________________ From: Chris Clepper cgclepper@gmail.com Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 11:15 AM To: Pagano, Patrick Cc: IOhannes m zmoelnig; pd-list@mail.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis for Pd Eurorack Module
Have you seen the UDOO board that have multi-core A9 CPUs, analog audio I/O and an arduino compatible microcontroller already?
http://shop.udoo.org/usa/product/udoo-dual.html
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Pagano, Patrick <pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edumailto:pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote: Thank You all for your help so far I have looked at Granola~, granita, my-grainer, dsis_munger and granny a port of Sakonda's famous Grain2.0 patch by bill orcutt, all of which failed because of the problem with compilation that Iohannes who is always so helpful mentions.
I have chosen to go with Martin's fabulous grainsamplerfx patch and modify it. I have also found that ProcesoV8 and Johann's Monolog-x are wonderful candidates for a true pure data module.
I contacted Qu-bit Electronix with hopes of a complimentary board for my research but they are not in a position to help me. They make a wonderful product called Nebulae for Eurorack but it's just too expensive for my professor salary right now. I even asked if they had scratch and dent versions that they might let go of to no avail. It apparently takes pure data AND Csound code but it seems a little more bent towards Csound, but again this is just a quick observation.
I have successfully connected an arduino uno to 6 potentiometers and poll them with Hans' Arduino2pd patch I am using a 1in/1out Creative Blaster go USB soundcard and Rpi see it and loads ALSA for it
I am experimenting now with getting the tty to be the same when i run RPI without Xwindows, i have created a few lines in the inittab to hopefully select that port each time but it's not working correctly. when i boot into X it polls and updates the Pots but when i only use commandline they are not talking to each other. The arduino is polling for sure but pd is not reacting.
Martin's patch with 6 very simple parameters sounds awesome
I would like to have a RT Granular Patch working and then work backwrds from there because it will probably be the most processor intensive, I would like to create and awesome "Curtis Filter" like Dave Smith has released http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/product/dsm01-curtis-filter-module/
Is there an example in OD that replicates such a Filter --2/4 pole resonant low-pass filter module?
The Nebulae uses samples and a microSD card for loading samples which i want to try to avoid, i would like to keep everything RT.
what do you all think? Please make suggestions of patches you think might be worth testing. I would like to manufacture the boards and design the prototype this summer since i cannot afford to direct my research to the Nebulae. This Fall i will have 30 graduate students coding with me so we will have ALOT to offer.
Patrick
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020tel:%28352%29294-2020
From: Pd-list <pd-list-bounces@mail.iem.atmailto:pd-list-bounces@mail.iem.at> on behalf of IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig@iem.atmailto:zmoelnig@iem.at> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 4:52 AM To: pd-list@mail.iem.atmailto:pd-list@mail.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis on liv input?
On 2015-05-17 19:11, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
It says that it's the wrong ELF class ELF CLASS64
you cannot use a binary for i386 or amd64 on a Raspberry Pi, which has an arm processor. you need to have a binary compiled esp. for this achitecture (read: compile it yourself).
fgadmf IOhannes
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For messing around the UDOO is fine, but totally unsuitable for incorporating in a manufactured audio product. The Pd part is easy, the hardware is incredibly difficult.
I actually design Eurorack modules with Tiptop Audio as my day job, and can tell you that making a module using an advanced ARM chip is no easy task. The Nebulae is a quick, dirty hack and it has many issues. Design from the ground up around an A9 or similar chip requires very advanced tools (we pay a huge annual sum for high end layout software) and about 10 years of mixed signal PCB design experience. Keeping the audio clean would take multiple revisions of a 10-12 layer board and you would need to make a Eurorack power supply that can handle the current of the digital parts.
It would take well into 6 figures to get a fully functional production ready prototype.
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Pagano, Patrick <pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu
wrote:
Looks great Chris, only thing that is weird is that it's a mic input not a line in that i get with the creative card currently. Everything else looks fancy. Would you like my address to send it? :-)
I am going to take the idea to our Innovation Hub at University of Florida and pitch the idea for the module, if it goes they might give me some seed funding --then i can explore some different cards/boards. A friend is lending his BeagleBone Black. Seriously if you want to throw in with us i'll give you p0ints later :-)
conspiring for a pd Module,
*Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A* Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020
*From:* Chris Clepper cgclepper@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, May 18, 2015 11:15 AM *To:* Pagano, Patrick *Cc:* IOhannes m zmoelnig; pd-list@mail.iem.at *Subject:* Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis for Pd Eurorack Module
Have you seen the UDOO board that have multi-core A9 CPUs, analog audio I/O and an arduino compatible microcontroller already?
http://shop.udoo.org/usa/product/udoo-dual.html
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Pagano, Patrick < pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote:
Thank You all for your help so far I have looked at Granola~, granita, my-grainer, dsis_munger and granny a port of Sakonda's famous Grain2.0 patch by bill orcutt, all of which failed because of the problem with compilation that Iohannes who is always so helpful mentions.
I have chosen to go with Martin's fabulous grainsamplerfx patch and modify it. I have also found that ProcesoV8 and Johann's Monolog-x are wonderful candidates for a true pure data module.
I contacted Qu-bit Electronix with hopes of a complimentary board for my research but they are not in a position to help me. They make a wonderful product called Nebulae for Eurorack but it's just too expensive for my professor salary right now. I even asked if they had scratch and dent versions that they might let go of to no avail. It apparently takes pure data AND Csound code but it seems a little more bent towards Csound, but again this is just a quick observation.
I have successfully connected an arduino uno to 6 potentiometers and poll them with Hans' Arduino2pd patch I am using a 1in/1out Creative Blaster go USB soundcard and Rpi see it and loads ALSA for it
I am experimenting now with getting the tty to be the same when i run RPI without Xwindows, i have created a few lines in the inittab to hopefully select that port each time but it's not working correctly. when i boot into X it polls and updates the Pots but when i only use commandline they are not talking to each other. The arduino is polling for sure but pd is not reacting.
Martin's patch with 6 very simple parameters sounds awesome
I would like to have a RT Granular Patch working and then work backwrds from there because it will probably be the most processor intensive, I would like to create and awesome "Curtis Filter" like Dave Smith has released http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/product/dsm01-curtis-filter-module/
Is there an example in OD that replicates such a Filter --2/4 pole resonant low-pass filter module?
The Nebulae uses samples and a microSD card for loading samples which i want to try to avoid, i would like to keep everything RT.
what do you all think? Please make suggestions of patches you think might be worth testing. I would like to manufacture the boards and design the prototype this summer since i cannot afford to direct my research to the Nebulae. This Fall i will have 30 graduate students coding with me so we will have ALOT to offer.
Patrick
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020
From: Pd-list pd-list-bounces@mail.iem.at on behalf of IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.at Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 4:52 AM To: pd-list@mail.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis on liv input?
On 2015-05-17 19:11, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
It says that it's the wrong ELF class ELF CLASS64
you cannot use a binary for i386 or amd64 on a Raspberry Pi, which has an arm processor. you need to have a binary compiled esp. for this achitecture (read: compile it yourself).
fgadmf IOhannes
Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
I am having one annoying issue.
when i run the code i have with a gui the sound works but when i try to run pd -nogui i do not get any sound
with the GUI it polls from the arduino and it makes sound i can adjustthe potentiometers and it sounds okay because the CPU is pegging at 97-100%
when i run it with no gui it is listing at about 27%
i cannot figure it out
has anyone had this problem before? surely there has got to be someone who has run into this?
pd-043.2 on rpi 512 with ardunio Uno
creative sound blaster Xfi GO! Pro USB sound card
HELP!!!
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020 ________________________________ From: Chris Clepper cgclepper@gmail.com Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 11:57 AM To: Pagano, Patrick Cc: IOhannes m zmoelnig; pd-list@mail.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis for Pd Eurorack Module
For messing around the UDOO is fine, but totally unsuitable for incorporating in a manufactured audio product. The Pd part is easy, the hardware is incredibly difficult.
I actually design Eurorack modules with Tiptop Audio as my day job, and can tell you that making a module using an advanced ARM chip is no easy task. The Nebulae is a quick, dirty hack and it has many issues. Design from the ground up around an A9 or similar chip requires very advanced tools (we pay a huge annual sum for high end layout software) and about 10 years of mixed signal PCB design experience. Keeping the audio clean would take multiple revisions of a 10-12 layer board and you would need to make a Eurorack power supply that can handle the current of the digital parts.
It would take well into 6 figures to get a fully functional production ready prototype.
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Pagano, Patrick <pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edumailto:pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote:
Looks great Chris, only thing that is weird is that it's a mic input not a line in that i get with the creative card currently. Everything else looks fancy. Would you like my address to send it? :-)
I am going to take the idea to our Innovation Hub at University of Florida and pitch the idea for the module, if it goes they might give me some seed funding --then i can explore some different cards/boards. A friend is lending his BeagleBone Black. Seriously if you want to throw in with us i'll give you p0ints later :-)
conspiring for a pd Module,
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020tel:%28352%29294-2020 ________________________________ From: Chris Clepper <cgclepper@gmail.commailto:cgclepper@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 11:15 AM To: Pagano, Patrick Cc: IOhannes m zmoelnig; pd-list@mail.iem.atmailto:pd-list@mail.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis for Pd Eurorack Module
Have you seen the UDOO board that have multi-core A9 CPUs, analog audio I/O and an arduino compatible microcontroller already?
http://shop.udoo.org/usa/product/udoo-dual.html
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Pagano, Patrick <pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edumailto:pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote: Thank You all for your help so far I have looked at Granola~, granita, my-grainer, dsis_munger and granny a port of Sakonda's famous Grain2.0 patch by bill orcutt, all of which failed because of the problem with compilation that Iohannes who is always so helpful mentions.
I have chosen to go with Martin's fabulous grainsamplerfx patch and modify it. I have also found that ProcesoV8 and Johann's Monolog-x are wonderful candidates for a true pure data module.
I contacted Qu-bit Electronix with hopes of a complimentary board for my research but they are not in a position to help me. They make a wonderful product called Nebulae for Eurorack but it's just too expensive for my professor salary right now. I even asked if they had scratch and dent versions that they might let go of to no avail. It apparently takes pure data AND Csound code but it seems a little more bent towards Csound, but again this is just a quick observation.
I have successfully connected an arduino uno to 6 potentiometers and poll them with Hans' Arduino2pd patch I am using a 1in/1out Creative Blaster go USB soundcard and Rpi see it and loads ALSA for it
I am experimenting now with getting the tty to be the same when i run RPI without Xwindows, i have created a few lines in the inittab to hopefully select that port each time but it's not working correctly. when i boot into X it polls and updates the Pots but when i only use commandline they are not talking to each other. The arduino is polling for sure but pd is not reacting.
Martin's patch with 6 very simple parameters sounds awesome
I would like to have a RT Granular Patch working and then work backwrds from there because it will probably be the most processor intensive, I would like to create and awesome "Curtis Filter" like Dave Smith has released http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/product/dsm01-curtis-filter-module/
Is there an example in OD that replicates such a Filter --2/4 pole resonant low-pass filter module?
The Nebulae uses samples and a microSD card for loading samples which i want to try to avoid, i would like to keep everything RT.
what do you all think? Please make suggestions of patches you think might be worth testing. I would like to manufacture the boards and design the prototype this summer since i cannot afford to direct my research to the Nebulae. This Fall i will have 30 graduate students coding with me so we will have ALOT to offer.
Patrick
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020tel:%28352%29294-2020
From: Pd-list <pd-list-bounces@mail.iem.atmailto:pd-list-bounces@mail.iem.at> on behalf of IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig@iem.atmailto:zmoelnig@iem.at> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 4:52 AM To: pd-list@mail.iem.atmailto:pd-list@mail.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis on liv input?
On 2015-05-17 19:11, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
It says that it's the wrong ELF class ELF CLASS64
you cannot use a binary for i386 or amd64 on a Raspberry Pi, which has an arm processor. you need to have a binary compiled esp. for this achitecture (read: compile it yourself).
fgadmf IOhannes
Pd-list@lists.iem.atmailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
How are you invoking the PD command? If you're using an external sound card, you need to specify which one with the -audiodev flag. If it's a USB interface, then it's probably -audiodev 3 you want, in my experience.
_chris On May 18, 2015 1:51 PM, "Pagano, Patrick" pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu wrote:
I am having one annoying issue.
when i run the code i have with a gui the sound works but when i try to run pd -nogui i do not get any sound
with the GUI it polls from the arduino and it makes sound i can adjustthe potentiometers and it sounds okay because the CPU is pegging at 97-100%
when i run it with no gui it is listing at about 27%
i cannot figure it out
has anyone had this problem before? surely there has got to be someone who has run into this?
pd-043.2 on rpi 512 with ardunio Uno
creative sound blaster Xfi GO! Pro USB sound card
HELP!!!
*Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A* Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020
*From:* Chris Clepper cgclepper@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, May 18, 2015 11:57 AM *To:* Pagano, Patrick *Cc:* IOhannes m zmoelnig; pd-list@mail.iem.at *Subject:* Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis for Pd Eurorack Module
For messing around the UDOO is fine, but totally unsuitable for incorporating in a manufactured audio product. The Pd part is easy, the hardware is incredibly difficult.
I actually design Eurorack modules with Tiptop Audio as my day job, and can tell you that making a module using an advanced ARM chip is no easy task. The Nebulae is a quick, dirty hack and it has many issues. Design from the ground up around an A9 or similar chip requires very advanced tools (we pay a huge annual sum for high end layout software) and about 10 years of mixed signal PCB design experience. Keeping the audio clean would take multiple revisions of a 10-12 layer board and you would need to make a Eurorack power supply that can handle the current of the digital parts.
It would take well into 6 figures to get a fully functional production ready prototype.
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Pagano, Patrick < pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote:
Looks great Chris, only thing that is weird is that it's a mic input not a line in that i get with the creative card currently. Everything else looks fancy. Would you like my address to send it? :-)
I am going to take the idea to our Innovation Hub at University of Florida and pitch the idea for the module, if it goes they might give me some seed funding --then i can explore some different cards/boards. A friend is lending his BeagleBone Black. Seriously if you want to throw in with us i'll give you p0ints later :-)
conspiring for a pd Module,
*Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A* Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020
*From:* Chris Clepper cgclepper@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, May 18, 2015 11:15 AM *To:* Pagano, Patrick *Cc:* IOhannes m zmoelnig; pd-list@mail.iem.at *Subject:* Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis for Pd Eurorack Module
Have you seen the UDOO board that have multi-core A9 CPUs, analog audio I/O and an arduino compatible microcontroller already?
http://shop.udoo.org/usa/product/udoo-dual.html
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Pagano, Patrick < pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote:
Thank You all for your help so far I have looked at Granola~, granita, my-grainer, dsis_munger and granny a port of Sakonda's famous Grain2.0 patch by bill orcutt, all of which failed because of the problem with compilation that Iohannes who is always so helpful mentions.
I have chosen to go with Martin's fabulous grainsamplerfx patch and modify it. I have also found that ProcesoV8 and Johann's Monolog-x are wonderful candidates for a true pure data module.
I contacted Qu-bit Electronix with hopes of a complimentary board for my research but they are not in a position to help me. They make a wonderful product called Nebulae for Eurorack but it's just too expensive for my professor salary right now. I even asked if they had scratch and dent versions that they might let go of to no avail. It apparently takes pure data AND Csound code but it seems a little more bent towards Csound, but again this is just a quick observation.
I have successfully connected an arduino uno to 6 potentiometers and poll them with Hans' Arduino2pd patch I am using a 1in/1out Creative Blaster go USB soundcard and Rpi see it and loads ALSA for it
I am experimenting now with getting the tty to be the same when i run RPI without Xwindows, i have created a few lines in the inittab to hopefully select that port each time but it's not working correctly. when i boot into X it polls and updates the Pots but when i only use commandline they are not talking to each other. The arduino is polling for sure but pd is not reacting.
Martin's patch with 6 very simple parameters sounds awesome
I would like to have a RT Granular Patch working and then work backwrds from there because it will probably be the most processor intensive, I would like to create and awesome "Curtis Filter" like Dave Smith has released http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/product/dsm01-curtis-filter-module/
Is there an example in OD that replicates such a Filter --2/4 pole resonant low-pass filter module?
The Nebulae uses samples and a microSD card for loading samples which i want to try to avoid, i would like to keep everything RT.
what do you all think? Please make suggestions of patches you think might be worth testing. I would like to manufacture the boards and design the prototype this summer since i cannot afford to direct my research to the Nebulae. This Fall i will have 30 graduate students coding with me so we will have ALOT to offer.
Patrick
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020
From: Pd-list pd-list-bounces@mail.iem.at on behalf of IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.at Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 4:52 AM To: pd-list@mail.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis on liv input?
On 2015-05-17 19:11, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
It says that it's the wrong ELF class ELF CLASS64
you cannot use a binary for i386 or amd64 on a Raspberry Pi, which has an arm processor. you need to have a binary compiled esp. for this achitecture (read: compile it yourself).
fgadmf IOhannes
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I am invoking it with -audiodev 3
Sent from my iPhone
On May 18, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Chris Chronopoulos <chronopoulos.chris@gmail.commailto:chronopoulos.chris@gmail.com> wrote:
How are you invoking the PD command? If you're using an external sound card, you need to specify which one with the -audiodev flag. If it's a USB interface, then it's probably -audiodev 3 you want, in my experience.
_chris
On May 18, 2015 1:51 PM, "Pagano, Patrick" <pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edumailto:pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote:
I am having one annoying issue.
when i run the code i have with a gui the sound works but when i try to run pd -nogui i do not get any sound
with the GUI it polls from the arduino and it makes sound i can adjustthe potentiometers and it sounds okay because the CPU is pegging at 97-100%
when i run it with no gui it is listing at about 27%
i cannot figure it out
has anyone had this problem before? surely there has got to be someone who has run into this?
pd-043.2 on rpi 512 with ardunio Uno
creative sound blaster Xfi GO! Pro USB sound card
HELP!!!
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020tel:%28352%29294-2020 ________________________________ From: Chris Clepper <cgclepper@gmail.commailto:cgclepper@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 11:57 AM To: Pagano, Patrick Cc: IOhannes m zmoelnig; pd-list@mail.iem.atmailto:pd-list@mail.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis for Pd Eurorack Module
For messing around the UDOO is fine, but totally unsuitable for incorporating in a manufactured audio product. The Pd part is easy, the hardware is incredibly difficult.
I actually design Eurorack modules with Tiptop Audio as my day job, and can tell you that making a module using an advanced ARM chip is no easy task. The Nebulae is a quick, dirty hack and it has many issues. Design from the ground up around an A9 or similar chip requires very advanced tools (we pay a huge annual sum for high end layout software) and about 10 years of mixed signal PCB design experience. Keeping the audio clean would take multiple revisions of a 10-12 layer board and you would need to make a Eurorack power supply that can handle the current of the digital parts.
It would take well into 6 figures to get a fully functional production ready prototype.
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Pagano, Patrick <pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edumailto:pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote:
Looks great Chris, only thing that is weird is that it's a mic input not a line in that i get with the creative card currently. Everything else looks fancy. Would you like my address to send it? :-)
I am going to take the idea to our Innovation Hub at University of Florida and pitch the idea for the module, if it goes they might give me some seed funding --then i can explore some different cards/boards. A friend is lending his BeagleBone Black. Seriously if you want to throw in with us i'll give you p0ints later :-)
conspiring for a pd Module,
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020tel:%28352%29294-2020 ________________________________ From: Chris Clepper <cgclepper@gmail.commailto:cgclepper@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 11:15 AM To: Pagano, Patrick Cc: IOhannes m zmoelnig; pd-list@mail.iem.atmailto:pd-list@mail.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis for Pd Eurorack Module
Have you seen the UDOO board that have multi-core A9 CPUs, analog audio I/O and an arduino compatible microcontroller already?
http://shop.udoo.org/usa/product/udoo-dual.html
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Pagano, Patrick <pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edumailto:pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote: Thank You all for your help so far I have looked at Granola~, granita, my-grainer, dsis_munger and granny a port of Sakonda's famous Grain2.0 patch by bill orcutt, all of which failed because of the problem with compilation that Iohannes who is always so helpful mentions.
I have chosen to go with Martin's fabulous grainsamplerfx patch and modify it. I have also found that ProcesoV8 and Johann's Monolog-x are wonderful candidates for a true pure data module.
I contacted Qu-bit Electronix with hopes of a complimentary board for my research but they are not in a position to help me. They make a wonderful product called Nebulae for Eurorack but it's just too expensive for my professor salary right now. I even asked if they had scratch and dent versions that they might let go of to no avail. It apparently takes pure data AND Csound code but it seems a little more bent towards Csound, but again this is just a quick observation.
I have successfully connected an arduino uno to 6 potentiometers and poll them with Hans' Arduino2pd patch I am using a 1in/1out Creative Blaster go USB soundcard and Rpi see it and loads ALSA for it
I am experimenting now with getting the tty to be the same when i run RPI without Xwindows, i have created a few lines in the inittab to hopefully select that port each time but it's not working correctly. when i boot into X it polls and updates the Pots but when i only use commandline they are not talking to each other. The arduino is polling for sure but pd is not reacting.
Martin's patch with 6 very simple parameters sounds awesome
I would like to have a RT Granular Patch working and then work backwrds from there because it will probably be the most processor intensive, I would like to create and awesome "Curtis Filter" like Dave Smith has released http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/product/dsm01-curtis-filter-module/
Is there an example in OD that replicates such a Filter --2/4 pole resonant low-pass filter module?
The Nebulae uses samples and a microSD card for loading samples which i want to try to avoid, i would like to keep everything RT.
what do you all think? Please make suggestions of patches you think might be worth testing. I would like to manufacture the boards and design the prototype this summer since i cannot afford to direct my research to the Nebulae. This Fall i will have 30 graduate students coding with me so we will have ALOT to offer.
Patrick
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020tel:%28352%29294-2020
From: Pd-list <pd-list-bounces@mail.iem.atmailto:pd-list-bounces@mail.iem.at> on behalf of IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig@iem.atmailto:zmoelnig@iem.at> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 4:52 AM To: pd-list@mail.iem.atmailto:pd-list@mail.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis on liv input?
On 2015-05-17 19:11, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
It says that it's the wrong ELF class ELF CLASS64
you cannot use a binary for i386 or amd64 on a Raspberry Pi, which has an arm processor. you need to have a binary compiled esp. for this achitecture (read: compile it yourself).
fgadmf IOhannes
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i tried a simple patch with a sine tone at 500 to a dac~ with a simple delay 100 on the pd dsp 1 message and it works sound plays with no gui
whatthe heck could be preventing audio in the other patch?
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020 ________________________________ From: Pd-list pd-list-bounces@mail.iem.at on behalf of Pagano, Patrick pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 3:03 PM To: Chris Chronopoulos Cc: pd-list@mail.iem.at; IOhannes m zmoelnig Subject: Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis for Pd Eurorack Module
I am invoking it with -audiodev 3
Sent from my iPhone
On May 18, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Chris Chronopoulos <chronopoulos.chris@gmail.commailto:chronopoulos.chris@gmail.com> wrote:
How are you invoking the PD command? If you're using an external sound card, you need to specify which one with the -audiodev flag. If it's a USB interface, then it's probably -audiodev 3 you want, in my experience.
_chris
On May 18, 2015 1:51 PM, "Pagano, Patrick" <pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edumailto:pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote:
I am having one annoying issue.
when i run the code i have with a gui the sound works but when i try to run pd -nogui i do not get any sound
with the GUI it polls from the arduino and it makes sound i can adjustthe potentiometers and it sounds okay because the CPU is pegging at 97-100%
when i run it with no gui it is listing at about 27%
i cannot figure it out
has anyone had this problem before? surely there has got to be someone who has run into this?
pd-043.2 on rpi 512 with ardunio Uno
creative sound blaster Xfi GO! Pro USB sound card
HELP!!!
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020tel:%28352%29294-2020 ________________________________ From: Chris Clepper <cgclepper@gmail.commailto:cgclepper@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 11:57 AM To: Pagano, Patrick Cc: IOhannes m zmoelnig; pd-list@mail.iem.atmailto:pd-list@mail.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis for Pd Eurorack Module
For messing around the UDOO is fine, but totally unsuitable for incorporating in a manufactured audio product. The Pd part is easy, the hardware is incredibly difficult.
I actually design Eurorack modules with Tiptop Audio as my day job, and can tell you that making a module using an advanced ARM chip is no easy task. The Nebulae is a quick, dirty hack and it has many issues. Design from the ground up around an A9 or similar chip requires very advanced tools (we pay a huge annual sum for high end layout software) and about 10 years of mixed signal PCB design experience. Keeping the audio clean would take multiple revisions of a 10-12 layer board and you would need to make a Eurorack power supply that can handle the current of the digital parts.
It would take well into 6 figures to get a fully functional production ready prototype.
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Pagano, Patrick <pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edumailto:pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote:
Looks great Chris, only thing that is weird is that it's a mic input not a line in that i get with the creative card currently. Everything else looks fancy. Would you like my address to send it? :-)
I am going to take the idea to our Innovation Hub at University of Florida and pitch the idea for the module, if it goes they might give me some seed funding --then i can explore some different cards/boards. A friend is lending his BeagleBone Black. Seriously if you want to throw in with us i'll give you p0ints later :-)
conspiring for a pd Module,
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020tel:%28352%29294-2020 ________________________________ From: Chris Clepper <cgclepper@gmail.commailto:cgclepper@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 11:15 AM To: Pagano, Patrick Cc: IOhannes m zmoelnig; pd-list@mail.iem.atmailto:pd-list@mail.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis for Pd Eurorack Module
Have you seen the UDOO board that have multi-core A9 CPUs, analog audio I/O and an arduino compatible microcontroller already?
http://shop.udoo.org/usa/product/udoo-dual.html
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Pagano, Patrick <pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edumailto:pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote: Thank You all for your help so far I have looked at Granola~, granita, my-grainer, dsis_munger and granny a port of Sakonda's famous Grain2.0 patch by bill orcutt, all of which failed because of the problem with compilation that Iohannes who is always so helpful mentions.
I have chosen to go with Martin's fabulous grainsamplerfx patch and modify it. I have also found that ProcesoV8 and Johann's Monolog-x are wonderful candidates for a true pure data module.
I contacted Qu-bit Electronix with hopes of a complimentary board for my research but they are not in a position to help me. They make a wonderful product called Nebulae for Eurorack but it's just too expensive for my professor salary right now. I even asked if they had scratch and dent versions that they might let go of to no avail. It apparently takes pure data AND Csound code but it seems a little more bent towards Csound, but again this is just a quick observation.
I have successfully connected an arduino uno to 6 potentiometers and poll them with Hans' Arduino2pd patch I am using a 1in/1out Creative Blaster go USB soundcard and Rpi see it and loads ALSA for it
I am experimenting now with getting the tty to be the same when i run RPI without Xwindows, i have created a few lines in the inittab to hopefully select that port each time but it's not working correctly. when i boot into X it polls and updates the Pots but when i only use commandline they are not talking to each other. The arduino is polling for sure but pd is not reacting.
Martin's patch with 6 very simple parameters sounds awesome
I would like to have a RT Granular Patch working and then work backwrds from there because it will probably be the most processor intensive, I would like to create and awesome "Curtis Filter" like Dave Smith has released http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/product/dsm01-curtis-filter-module/
Is there an example in OD that replicates such a Filter --2/4 pole resonant low-pass filter module?
The Nebulae uses samples and a microSD card for loading samples which i want to try to avoid, i would like to keep everything RT.
what do you all think? Please make suggestions of patches you think might be worth testing. I would like to manufacture the boards and design the prototype this summer since i cannot afford to direct my research to the Nebulae. This Fall i will have 30 graduate students coding with me so we will have ALOT to offer.
Patrick
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020tel:%28352%29294-2020
From: Pd-list <pd-list-bounces@mail.iem.atmailto:pd-list-bounces@mail.iem.at> on behalf of IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig@iem.atmailto:zmoelnig@iem.at> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 4:52 AM To: pd-list@mail.iem.atmailto:pd-list@mail.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis on liv input?
On 2015-05-17 19:11, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
It says that it's the wrong ELF class ELF CLASS64
you cannot use a binary for i386 or amd64 on a Raspberry Pi, which has an arm processor. you need to have a binary compiled esp. for this achitecture (read: compile it yourself).
fgadmf IOhannes
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I had issues with a workshop I run in Nantes, with Pi and Arduino with Pd. A simple tone patch like the one you describe would open fine from the /etc/rc.local script, but not the patches that use [comport]. The solution to that was to include this line in /etc/rc.local su -c '/usr/local/bin/pd -nogui -open /home/pi/path/to/patch.pd &' - pi &
This will launch Pd as the pi user and not as root. It seems that [comport] doesn't like root. All this, if your problem is launching your patch on boot.
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:31 AM, Pagano, Patrick <pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu
wrote:
i tried a simple patch with a sine tone at 500 to a dac~ with a simple delay 100 on the pd dsp 1 message and it works sound plays with no gui
whatthe heck could be preventing audio in the other patch?
*Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A* Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020
*From:* Pd-list pd-list-bounces@mail.iem.at on behalf of Pagano, Patrick pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu *Sent:* Monday, May 18, 2015 3:03 PM *To:* Chris Chronopoulos *Cc:* pd-list@mail.iem.at; IOhannes m zmoelnig
*Subject:* Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis for Pd Eurorack Module
I am invoking it with -audiodev 3
Sent from my iPhone
On May 18, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Chris Chronopoulos < chronopoulos.chris@gmail.com> wrote:
How are you invoking the PD command? If you're using an external sound card, you need to specify which one with the -audiodev flag. If it's a USB interface, then it's probably -audiodev 3 you want, in my experience.
_chris On May 18, 2015 1:51 PM, "Pagano, Patrick" pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu wrote:
I am having one annoying issue.
when i run the code i have with a gui the sound works but when i try to run pd -nogui i do not get any sound
with the GUI it polls from the arduino and it makes sound i can adjustthe potentiometers and it sounds okay because the CPU is pegging at 97-100%
when i run it with no gui it is listing at about 27%
i cannot figure it out
has anyone had this problem before? surely there has got to be someone who has run into this?
pd-043.2 on rpi 512 with ardunio Uno
creative sound blaster Xfi GO! Pro USB sound card
HELP!!!
*Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A* Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020
*From:* Chris Clepper cgclepper@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, May 18, 2015 11:57 AM *To:* Pagano, Patrick *Cc:* IOhannes m zmoelnig; pd-list@mail.iem.at *Subject:* Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis for Pd Eurorack Module
For messing around the UDOO is fine, but totally unsuitable for incorporating in a manufactured audio product. The Pd part is easy, the hardware is incredibly difficult.
I actually design Eurorack modules with Tiptop Audio as my day job, and can tell you that making a module using an advanced ARM chip is no easy task. The Nebulae is a quick, dirty hack and it has many issues. Design from the ground up around an A9 or similar chip requires very advanced tools (we pay a huge annual sum for high end layout software) and about 10 years of mixed signal PCB design experience. Keeping the audio clean would take multiple revisions of a 10-12 layer board and you would need to make a Eurorack power supply that can handle the current of the digital parts.
It would take well into 6 figures to get a fully functional production ready prototype.
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Pagano, Patrick < pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote:
Looks great Chris, only thing that is weird is that it's a mic input not a line in that i get with the creative card currently. Everything else looks fancy. Would you like my address to send it? :-)
I am going to take the idea to our Innovation Hub at University of Florida and pitch the idea for the module, if it goes they might give me some seed funding --then i can explore some different cards/boards. A friend is lending his BeagleBone Black. Seriously if you want to throw in with us i'll give you p0ints later :-)
conspiring for a pd Module,
*Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A* Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020
*From:* Chris Clepper cgclepper@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, May 18, 2015 11:15 AM *To:* Pagano, Patrick *Cc:* IOhannes m zmoelnig; pd-list@mail.iem.at *Subject:* Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis for Pd Eurorack Module
Have you seen the UDOO board that have multi-core A9 CPUs, analog audio I/O and an arduino compatible microcontroller already?
http://shop.udoo.org/usa/product/udoo-dual.html
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Pagano, Patrick < pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote:
Thank You all for your help so far I have looked at Granola~, granita, my-grainer, dsis_munger and granny a port of Sakonda's famous Grain2.0 patch by bill orcutt, all of which failed because of the problem with compilation that Iohannes who is always so helpful mentions.
I have chosen to go with Martin's fabulous grainsamplerfx patch and modify it. I have also found that ProcesoV8 and Johann's Monolog-x are wonderful candidates for a true pure data module.
I contacted Qu-bit Electronix with hopes of a complimentary board for my research but they are not in a position to help me. They make a wonderful product called Nebulae for Eurorack but it's just too expensive for my professor salary right now. I even asked if they had scratch and dent versions that they might let go of to no avail. It apparently takes pure data AND Csound code but it seems a little more bent towards Csound, but again this is just a quick observation.
I have successfully connected an arduino uno to 6 potentiometers and poll them with Hans' Arduino2pd patch I am using a 1in/1out Creative Blaster go USB soundcard and Rpi see it and loads ALSA for it
I am experimenting now with getting the tty to be the same when i run RPI without Xwindows, i have created a few lines in the inittab to hopefully select that port each time but it's not working correctly. when i boot into X it polls and updates the Pots but when i only use commandline they are not talking to each other. The arduino is polling for sure but pd is not reacting.
Martin's patch with 6 very simple parameters sounds awesome
I would like to have a RT Granular Patch working and then work backwrds from there because it will probably be the most processor intensive, I would like to create and awesome "Curtis Filter" like Dave Smith has released http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/product/dsm01-curtis-filter-module/
Is there an example in OD that replicates such a Filter --2/4 pole resonant low-pass filter module?
The Nebulae uses samples and a microSD card for loading samples which i want to try to avoid, i would like to keep everything RT.
what do you all think? Please make suggestions of patches you think might be worth testing. I would like to manufacture the boards and design the prototype this summer since i cannot afford to direct my research to the Nebulae. This Fall i will have 30 graduate students coding with me so we will have ALOT to offer.
Patrick
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020
From: Pd-list pd-list-bounces@mail.iem.at on behalf of IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.at Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 4:52 AM To: pd-list@mail.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis on liv input?
On 2015-05-17 19:11, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
It says that it's the wrong ELF class ELF CLASS64
you cannot use a binary for i386 or amd64 on a Raspberry Pi, which has an arm processor. you need to have a binary compiled esp. for this achitecture (read: compile it yourself).
fgadmf IOhannes
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i don;t have anything in my rc.local yet because i am still working on the patch and the issues
can i add it anywhere?
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020 ________________________________ From: Alexandros Drymonitis adrcki@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 8:46 AM To: Pagano, Patrick Cc: Chris Chronopoulos; pd-list@mail.iem.at; IOhannes m zmoelnig Subject: Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis for Pd Eurorack Module
I had issues with a workshop I run in Nantes, with Pi and Arduino with Pd. A simple tone patch like the one you describe would open fine from the /etc/rc.local script, but not the patches that use [comport]. The solution to that was to include this line in /etc/rc.local su -c '/usr/local/bin/pd -nogui -open /home/pi/path/to/patch.pd &' - pi &
This will launch Pd as the pi user and not as root. It seems that [comport] doesn't like root. All this, if your problem is launching your patch on boot.
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:31 AM, Pagano, Patrick <pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edumailto:pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote:
i tried a simple patch with a sine tone at 500 to a dac~ with a simple delay 100 on the pd dsp 1 message and it works sound plays with no gui
whatthe heck could be preventing audio in the other patch?
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020tel:%28352%29294-2020 ________________________________ From: Pd-list <pd-list-bounces@mail.iem.atmailto:pd-list-bounces@mail.iem.at> on behalf of Pagano, Patrick <pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edumailto:pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 3:03 PM To: Chris Chronopoulos Cc: pd-list@mail.iem.atmailto:pd-list@mail.iem.at; IOhannes m zmoelnig
Subject: Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis for Pd Eurorack Module
I am invoking it with -audiodev 3
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On May 18, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Chris Chronopoulos <chronopoulos.chris@gmail.commailto:chronopoulos.chris@gmail.com> wrote:
How are you invoking the PD command? If you're using an external sound card, you need to specify which one with the -audiodev flag. If it's a USB interface, then it's probably -audiodev 3 you want, in my experience.
_chris
On May 18, 2015 1:51 PM, "Pagano, Patrick" <pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edumailto:pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote:
I am having one annoying issue.
when i run the code i have with a gui the sound works but when i try to run pd -nogui i do not get any sound
with the GUI it polls from the arduino and it makes sound i can adjustthe potentiometers and it sounds okay because the CPU is pegging at 97-100%
when i run it with no gui it is listing at about 27%
i cannot figure it out
has anyone had this problem before? surely there has got to be someone who has run into this?
pd-043.2 on rpi 512 with ardunio Uno
creative sound blaster Xfi GO! Pro USB sound card
HELP!!!
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020tel:%28352%29294-2020 ________________________________ From: Chris Clepper <cgclepper@gmail.commailto:cgclepper@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 11:57 AM To: Pagano, Patrick Cc: IOhannes m zmoelnig; pd-list@mail.iem.atmailto:pd-list@mail.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis for Pd Eurorack Module
For messing around the UDOO is fine, but totally unsuitable for incorporating in a manufactured audio product. The Pd part is easy, the hardware is incredibly difficult.
I actually design Eurorack modules with Tiptop Audio as my day job, and can tell you that making a module using an advanced ARM chip is no easy task. The Nebulae is a quick, dirty hack and it has many issues. Design from the ground up around an A9 or similar chip requires very advanced tools (we pay a huge annual sum for high end layout software) and about 10 years of mixed signal PCB design experience. Keeping the audio clean would take multiple revisions of a 10-12 layer board and you would need to make a Eurorack power supply that can handle the current of the digital parts.
It would take well into 6 figures to get a fully functional production ready prototype.
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Pagano, Patrick <pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edumailto:pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote:
Looks great Chris, only thing that is weird is that it's a mic input not a line in that i get with the creative card currently. Everything else looks fancy. Would you like my address to send it? :-)
I am going to take the idea to our Innovation Hub at University of Florida and pitch the idea for the module, if it goes they might give me some seed funding --then i can explore some different cards/boards. A friend is lending his BeagleBone Black. Seriously if you want to throw in with us i'll give you p0ints later :-)
conspiring for a pd Module,
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020tel:%28352%29294-2020 ________________________________ From: Chris Clepper <cgclepper@gmail.commailto:cgclepper@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 11:15 AM To: Pagano, Patrick Cc: IOhannes m zmoelnig; pd-list@mail.iem.atmailto:pd-list@mail.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Granular Synthesis for Pd Eurorack Module
Have you seen the UDOO board that have multi-core A9 CPUs, analog audio I/O and an arduino compatible microcontroller already?
http://shop.udoo.org/usa/product/udoo-dual.html
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Pagano, Patrick <pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edumailto:pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote: Thank You all for your help so far I have looked at Granola~, granita, my-grainer, dsis_munger and granny a port of Sakonda's famous Grain2.0 patch by bill orcutt, all of which failed because of the problem with compilation that Iohannes who is always so helpful mentions.
I have chosen to go with Martin's fabulous grainsamplerfx patch and modify it. I have also found that ProcesoV8 and Johann's Monolog-x are wonderful candidates for a true pure data module.
I contacted Qu-bit Electronix with hopes of a complimentary board for my research but they are not in a position to help me. They make a wonderful product called Nebulae for Eurorack but it's just too expensive for my professor salary right now. I even asked if they had scratch and dent versions that they might let go of to no avail. It apparently takes pure data AND Csound code but it seems a little more bent towards Csound, but again this is just a quick observation.
I have successfully connected an arduino uno to 6 potentiometers and poll them with Hans' Arduino2pd patch I am using a 1in/1out Creative Blaster go USB soundcard and Rpi see it and loads ALSA for it
I am experimenting now with getting the tty to be the same when i run RPI without Xwindows, i have created a few lines in the inittab to hopefully select that port each time but it's not working correctly. when i boot into X it polls and updates the Pots but when i only use commandline they are not talking to each other. The arduino is polling for sure but pd is not reacting.
Martin's patch with 6 very simple parameters sounds awesome
I would like to have a RT Granular Patch working and then work backwrds from there because it will probably be the most processor intensive, I would like to create and awesome "Curtis Filter" like Dave Smith has released http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/product/dsm01-curtis-filter-module/
Is there an example in OD that replicates such a Filter --2/4 pole resonant low-pass filter module?
The Nebulae uses samples and a microSD card for loading samples which i want to try to avoid, i would like to keep everything RT.
what do you all think? Please make suggestions of patches you think might be worth testing. I would like to manufacture the boards and design the prototype this summer since i cannot afford to direct my research to the Nebulae. This Fall i will have 30 graduate students coding with me so we will have ALOT to offer.
Patrick
Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Audio and Projection Design Faculty Digital Worlds Institute University of Florida, USA (352)294-2020tel:%28352%29294-2020
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On 2015-05-17 19:11, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
It says that it's the wrong ELF class ELF CLASS64
you cannot use a binary for i386 or amd64 on a Raspberry Pi, which has an arm processor. you need to have a binary compiled esp. for this achitecture (read: compile it yourself).
fgadmf IOhannes
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On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Pagano, Patrick pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu wrote: ....
with the GUI it polls from the arduino and it makes sound i can adjustthe potentiometers and it sounds okay because the CPU is pegging at 97-100%
when i run it with no gui it is listing at about 27%
i cannot figure it out
has anyone had this problem before? surely there has got to be someone who has run into this?
pd-043.2 on rpi 512 with ardunio Uno
I would recommend using newest Pd from Miller, or else 0.46-2 from Raspbian Jessie. Pd 0.43 pre-Pi, it has a few issues which were fixed later. Also I would recommend buying Pi model 2 (if your professor's salary allows). It is about five times faster with Pd, and gui doesn't interfere with dsp on the quad core.
Katja
I will try the different version of pd but it's all working except for this issue with sound not working when I run headless. I don't want to but update until I have a working proof of concept which I feel close to. I am excited to upgrade eventually but if I get this problem solved I would be running one of martin brinkmanns patches at 27% CPU for a granular sampler
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On May 18, 2015, at 2:39 PM, katja katjavetter@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Pagano, Patrick pat@digitalworlds.ufl.edu wrote: ....
with the GUI it polls from the arduino and it makes sound i can adjustthe potentiometers and it sounds okay because the CPU is pegging at 97-100%
when i run it with no gui it is listing at about 27%
i cannot figure it out
has anyone had this problem before? surely there has got to be someone who has run into this?
pd-043.2 on rpi 512 with ardunio Uno
I would recommend using newest Pd from Miller, or else 0.46-2 from Raspbian Jessie. Pd 0.43 pre-Pi, it has a few issues which were fixed later. Also I would recommend buying Pi model 2 (if your professor's salary allows). It is about five times faster with Pd, and gui doesn't interfere with dsp on the quad core.
Katja
On 17/05/15 18:20, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
Hi i am trying to build a granular instrument for a prototype Pd eurorack module
I am using Pd-Vanilla and Raspberry Pi and Arduino
is there a patch out there that does granualr on live input i can use for testing the setup?
Granita [1] includes a basic but functional 'live looper' and is vanilla friendly. The live input can be seen in a demo video (at around 10:20) [2]
It is however a bit CPU hungry, but includes lighter versions (see Granita64.pd and Granita32.pd): it would be actually be interesting to see if/how it works on R-Pi... In case you try it let me know :-)
Lorenzo.
[1] https://puredata.info/downloads/granita-minimalist-granular-synthesis [2] https://vimeo.com/36609964
i made one years ago. i remember it being quite a cpu hog, but it sounded ok.
http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/1824/grannie-basher-delay-line-granulato...
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 5:02 AM, Lorenzo Sutton lorenzofsutton@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/05/15 18:20, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
Hi i am trying to build a granular instrument for a prototype Pd eurorack module
I am using Pd-Vanilla and Raspberry Pi and Arduino
is there a patch out there that does granualr on live input i can use for testing the setup?
Granita [1] includes a basic but functional 'live looper' and is vanilla friendly. The live input can be seen in a demo video (at around 10:20) [2]
It is however a bit CPU hungry, but includes lighter versions (see Granita64.pd and Granita32.pd): it would be actually be interesting to see if/how it works on R-Pi... In case you try it let me know :-)
Lorenzo.
[1] https://puredata.info/downloads/granita-minimalist-granular-synthesis [2] https://vimeo.com/36609964
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