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dear Pd junkies,
recently, yahoo (and later aol) has implemented a strict spam-preventing scheme, that basically prevents mailinglists like yours truly from doing their work [1]. this scheme basically disallows re-distribution of emails from people with yahoo-accounts.
you (esp. if you are using yahoo yourself, but gmail users might be affected as well) might have noticed, that some mailing-list posts have gone missing (esp. when originating from other yahoo users). a possibly missing email can be found at [2].
this is *not* a hostile attempt from our side (your faithful iem-team) to censor the mailinglist(s).
we are currently investigating ways to mitigate the problem [3], but haven't found an acceptable /and/ working technical solution yet.
if possible, we would like to suggest all posters using yahoo-addresses, to consider switching to another (free)mail-provider
- if only for the purpose of posting emails to innocent mailinglists.
if we do not find a solution fast, we might be forced to *temporarily* disable posting from yahoo-addresses (but will try avoid this step as long as possible, and if forced to use it keep it as short as possible).
yours,
fgasmdr IOhannes
[1] http://thehackernews.com/2014/04/yahoos-new-dmarc-policy-destroys-every.html [2 http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2014-05/106991.html [3] http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=17891458
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I'd be happy to take this opportunity to find a better email service provider than Yahoo. But there isn't a viable alternative outside of riseup.net (which wants me to pledge my opposition to a "vanguard strategy for revolution" as a ToS, strongly implying that there is at least one moron there wielding an alarming amount of influence).
Any other free webmail is subject to the same or similar destructive policies, and universities don't accept outsiders. So it seems I'm stuck.
-Jonathan
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:57 AM, IEM - network operating center (IOhannes m zmoelnig) noc@iem.at wrote:
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dear Pd junkies,
recently, yahoo (and later aol) has implemented a strict spam-preventing scheme, that basically prevents mailinglists like yours truly from doing their work [1]. this scheme basically disallows re-distribution of emails from people with yahoo-accounts.
you (esp. if you are using yahoo yourself, but gmail users might be affected as well) might have noticed, that some mailing-list posts have gone missing (esp. when originating from other yahoo users). a possibly missing email can be found at [2].
this is *not* a hostile attempt from our side (your faithful iem-team) to censor the mailinglist(s).
we are currently investigating ways to mitigate the problem [3], but haven't found an acceptable /and/ working technical solution yet.
if possible, we would like to suggest all posters using yahoo-addresses, to consider switching to another (free)mail-provider
- if only for the purpose of posting emails to innocent mailinglists.
if we do not find a solution fast, we might be forced to *temporarily* disable posting from yahoo-addresses (but will try avoid this step as long as possible, and if forced to use it keep it as short as possible).
yours,
fgasmdr IOhannes
[1] http://thehackernews.com/2014/04/yahoos-new-dmarc-policy-destroys-every.html [2 http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2014-05/106991.html [3] http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=17891458
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On 2014-05-27 14:57, IEM - network operating center (IOhannes m zmoelnig) wrote:
we are currently investigating ways to mitigate the problem, but haven't found an acceptable /and/ working technical solution yet.
we might have found a solution that includes slight changes in the header-fields of each email from the pd-lists. all mails will now have the following headers: From: Foo Bar via Pd-list pd-list@lists.iem.at Reply-To: Foo Bar foo@bar.org
(instead of the original: "From: Foo Bar foo@bar.org")
hopefully this fixes the problem without too much disruption.
in any case, if you are a yahoo-user or have some other contact to yahoo, please let them know, that there new DMARC policy was not such a good idea, and ask them where i can send the bills...
fgmasdr IOhannes
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On 2014-05-27 17:23, IEM - network operating center (IOhannes m zmoelnig) via Pd-announce via Pd-list wrote:
hopefully this fixes the problem without too much disruption.
for those of you who - like me - use thunderbird and wonder, why all emails now have something generic like "pd-list" displayed as the sender instead of a proper name (like "Foo Bar via Pd-list"), there is help:
the default behaviour of thunderbird is to use the name stored in the address-book to display, regardless of what the email says. this can be turned off on a per-address basis:
- open your address book
- search for the pd-list entry and open it
- untick the "Always prefer display name over message header." option
- save and enjoy
other mail-clients might have similar settings (but i don't know them)
sorry for such an off-topic post, but i felt this was needed to keep the mailing list usable.
mfgasdr IOhannes
PS: thanks yahoo for this...
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On 2014-05-27 17:23, IEM - network operating center (IOhannes m zmoelnig) via Pd-announce via Pd-list wrote:
we might have found a solution that includes slight changes in the header-fields of each email from the pd-lists. all mails will now have the following headers: From: Foo Bar via Pd-list pd-list@lists.iem.at Reply-To: Foo Bar foo@bar.org
(instead of the original: "From: Foo Bar foo@bar.org")
hopefully this fixes the problem without too much disruption.
after a recent upgrade of the mailinglist software on puredata.info, we can now restrict this behaviour to only those users that are forced to use braindead email providers.
in any case, if you are a yahoo-user or have some other contact to yahoo, please let them know, that there new DMARC policy was not such a good idea, and ask them where i can send the bills...
this still holds true.
fgamsdr IOhannes
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