---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Kevin McCoy km.takewithyou@gmail.com Date: Oct 4, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [PD] linux - faster load first time To: Andy Farnell padawan12@obiwannabe.co.uk
I use fluxbox WM, no hassle, no fancy bollocks. It's just
X with some coloured window bars and a program launcher menu.
I should have mentioned that I use the same, I love fb but the programs are still slow to start - problems must be elsewhere. I ended up liking xterm better because it is so speedy but I am still interested in finding out more.
People always say you shouldn't have to reinstall linux to maintain it so I would love to hear about possible remedies..
km
On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 12:51:32PM -0400, Kevin McCoy wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Kevin McCoy km.takewithyou@gmail.com Date: Oct 4, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [PD] linux - faster load first time To: Andy Farnell padawan12@obiwannabe.co.uk
I use fluxbox WM, no hassle, no fancy bollocks. It's just
X with some coloured window bars and a program launcher menu.
I should have mentioned that I use the same, I love fb but the programs are still slow to start - problems must be elsewhere. I ended up liking xterm better because it is so speedy but I am still interested in finding out more.
People always say you shouldn't have to reinstall linux to maintain it so I would love to hear about possible remedies..
I know that whenever a Gnome based program is launched under a lighter window manager like fluxbox, all kinds of weird background stuff happens like the launch of gconfd (I guess so they can emulate the cpu-hogginess and bugginess of the windows registry). Any one of those many activities could be causing troubles.
I have not experienced the slowdown in Pd launch time myself. You can get a better idea of what might be slowing it down by doing an strace and looking for places where it blocks.
Best,
Chris.
PS for people who want a nice middle ground between fluxbox's minimalism and gnome/kde's user friendly funcitonality, xfce4 comes highly recommended. It's very light, very fast, and very configurable (through menus, not text files).
On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 00:48:39 -0400 Chris McCormick chris@mccormick.cx wrote:
PS for people who want a nice middle ground between fluxbox's minimalism and gnome/kde's user friendly funcitonality, xfce4 comes highly recommended. It's very light, very fast, and very configurable
Yes. Xfce is a good compromise, it looks great, has loads of gizmos that don't launch unless you want them, and has the feel of a bigger desktop but (almost) the lightness of blckbox/fluxbox.
(through menus, not text files).
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On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 12:51:32PM -0400, Kevin McCoy wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Kevin McCoy km.takewithyou@gmail.com Date: Oct 4, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [PD] linux - faster load first time To: Andy Farnell padawan12@obiwannabe.co.uk
I use fluxbox WM, no hassle, no fancy bollocks. It's just
X with some coloured window bars and a program launcher menu.
I should have mentioned that I use the same, I love fb but the programs are still slow to start - problems must be elsewhere. I ended up liking xterm better because it is so speedy but I am still interested in finding out more.
xterm is even the slowest around (the start up benchmarks that i have seen, recomend gnome-term, but i think gnome-term is fast to start-up, but it takes A LOT while running! )
rxvt and aterm are very good, i use aterm for general purpose and urxvt when i need unicode (mutt, irc).
generaly unicode does make apps take more memory, cause characters take more ... you know ..
People always say you shouldn't have to reinstall linux to maintain it so I would love to hear about possible remedies..
just don't. (i mean about doing reinstall)
what distro are you on?
km
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what distro are you on?
Ubuntu Studio Feisty 7.04. I usually do load some GNOME things ocasionally and I wonder if they are staying in the system... I'm running a P4 1.6 GHz 384 MB RAM so I need to keep the memory freed up. I will look into the running processes, I haven't taken the time to find out what is what yet. Application startup (including pd) is slow and the pc doesn't seem to be paging or anything to disk...
km
384MB ram seems a bit low.. (nowadays)
My old duron 800 has 1GB.
I've not noticed PD starting more slowly than it always has on my feisty or etch machines...
you can always try oprofile to see what is using up what (CPU wise)
.b.
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what distro are you on?Ubuntu Studio Feisty 7.04. I usually do load some GNOME things ocasionally and I wonder if they are staying in the system... I'm running a P4 1.6 GHz 384 MB RAM so I need to keep the memory freed up. I will look into the running processes, I haven't taken the time to find out what is what yet. Application startup (including pd) is slow and the pc doesn't seem to be paging or anything to disk...
km
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On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 11:04:47AM -0400, Kevin McCoy wrote:
what distro are you on?
Ubuntu Studio Feisty 7.04. I usually do load some GNOME things ocasionally and I wonder if they are staying in the system... I'm running a P4 1.6 GHz 384 MB RAM so I need to keep the memory freed up. I will look into the running processes, I haven't taken the time to find out what is what yet. Application startup (including pd) is slow and the pc doesn't seem to be paging or anything to disk...
km
i'm not very positive about ubuntu .. i'd recoment you slackware - the latest release (12) now has HAL and 2.6.12 kernel ..it didn't have either before for a reason ..
well .. it's up to you which distro to run .. but some of them aren't designed to run on older hardware (such as suse and probably ubuntu)..
.. also may be it's a good idea to minimize the kernel (just too be sure :)
i'd say - i can set up a dedicated box which would have only necessary apps on it and would take the full advantage of the hw .. but it is very hard to explain all i would do setting it up.
try studing more about linux, i think if you feel up for it - you'll get to the point when you can sort it out.
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On Sat, 2007-10-06 at 16:16 +0000, ilya .d wrote:
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 11:04:47AM -0400, Kevin McCoy wrote:
what distro are you on?
Ubuntu Studio Feisty 7.04. I usually do load some GNOME things ocasionally and I wonder if they are staying in the system... I'm running a P4 1.6 GHz 384 MB RAM so I need to keep the memory freed up. I will look into the running processes, I haven't taken the time to find out what is what yet. Application startup (including pd) is slow and the pc doesn't seem to be paging or anything to disk...
km
i'm not very positive about ubuntu ..
yo, for my part, i am very positive about ubuntu. i still have ubuntu dapper installed and i changed to fluxbox, though sometimes i still run some gnome applications. all drivers have been running out of the box (inlcuding video drivers, wireless and all that stufff); no issues with binary firmware of any hardware; getting realtime priority for pd and jack wasn't complicated at all; i get can 7ms roundtrip latency, if i want; i never had the feeling, that it takes too much time to start pd (though, i usually load only the libs needed); and i have also only 512MB RAM.
for all that, i wouldn't know why to use a distro, where it requires much more effort to get things working. this is just the experience i had, that doesn't necessarily apply to everyone else.
my two cents roman
i'd recoment you slackware - the latest release (12) now has HAL and 2.6.12 kernel ..it didn't have either before for a reason ..
well .. it's up to you which distro to run .. but some of them aren't designed to run on older hardware (such as suse and probably ubuntu)..
.. also may be it's a good idea to minimize the kernel (just too be sure :)
i'd say - i can set up a dedicated box which would have only necessary apps on it and would take the full advantage of the hw .. but it is very hard to explain all i would do setting it up.
try studing more about linux, i think if you feel up for it - you'll get to the point when you can sort it out.
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heppo i'm fluxboxing too & f.e. "kdeinit &" in the .fluxbox/startup minimizes startup time for kde programms.
On 10/6/07, Roman Haefeli reduzierer@yahoo.de wrote:
On Sat, 2007-10-06 at 16:16 +0000, ilya .d wrote:
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 11:04:47AM -0400, Kevin McCoy wrote:
what distro are you on?
Ubuntu Studio Feisty 7.04. I usually do load some GNOME things ocasionally and I wonder if they are staying in the system... I'm running a P4 1.6 GHz 384 MB RAM so I need to keep the memory freed up. I will look into the running processes, I haven't taken the time to find out what is what yet. Application startup (including pd) is slow and the pc doesn't seem to be paging or anything to disk...
km
i'm not very positive about ubuntu ..
yo, for my part, i am very positive about ubuntu. i still have ubuntu dapper installed and i changed to fluxbox, though sometimes i still run some gnome applications. all drivers have been running out of the box (inlcuding video drivers, wireless and all that stufff); no issues with binary firmware of any hardware; getting realtime priority for pd and jack wasn't complicated at all; i get can 7ms roundtrip latency, if i want; i never had the feeling, that it takes too much time to start pd (though, i usually load only the libs needed); and i have also only 512MB RAM.
for all that, i wouldn't know why to use a distro, where it requires much more effort to get things working. this is just the experience i had, that doesn't necessarily apply to everyone else.
my two cents roman
i'd recoment you slackware - the latest release (12) now has HAL and 2.6.12 kernel ..it didn't have either before for a reason ..
well .. it's up to you which distro to run .. but some of them aren't designed to run on older hardware (such as suse and probably ubuntu)..
.. also may be it's a good idea to minimize the kernel (just too be sure :)
i'd say - i can set up a dedicated box which would have only necessary apps on it and would take the full advantage of the hw .. but it is very hard to explain all i would do setting it up.
try studing more about linux, i think if you feel up for it - you'll get to the point when you can sort it out.
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