Hallo!
I was going to save up for a strictly nonacademic traveling experience, but if a university in one of these countries (_especially_ IEM) would be at a lower cost than NYU or CM, I would definitely consider it.
hm - I don't know if I understand you correctly, but you mean the costs for the study? They are in austria ca. 370⬠for one semester !
LG Georg
Wow, 370 EURO for 1 semester!!! That's amazing! This is the price for everyone, including American students? That is quite a nice deal, compared to the US prices.
Can anyone else on the list give me a comparable figure for semester/yearly costs to attend their university programs?
~Kyle On 9/10/06, Georg Holzmann grhPD@gmx.at wrote:
Hallo!
I was going to save up for a strictly nonacademic traveling experience, but if a university in one of these countries (_especially_ IEM) would be at a lower cost than NYU or CM, I would definitely consider it.
hm - I don't know if I understand you correctly, but you mean the costs for the study? They are in austria ca. 370€ for one semester !
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NYU's ITP program is about US$31,000 per year. But if you bring
skills, there is a good change of getting a half or full tuition
scholarship. But most people there pay the full price.
.hc
On Sep 10, 2006, at 1:33 PM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
Wow, 370 EURO for 1 semester!!! That's amazing! This is the price for everyone, including American students? That is quite a nice deal, compared to the US prices.
Can anyone else on the list give me a comparable figure for semester/yearly costs to attend their university programs?
~Kyle On 9/10/06, Georg Holzmann grhPD@gmx.at wrote:
Hallo!
I was going to save up for a strictly nonacademic traveling experience, but if a university in one of these countries (_especially_ IEM) would be at a lower cost than NYU or CM, I would definitely consider it.
hm - I don't know if I understand you correctly, but you mean the
costs for the study? They are in austria ca. 370€ for one semester !LG Georg --
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On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
NYU's ITP program is about US$31,000 per year.
Why would anyone want to go there then?
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On Oct 6, 2006, at 2:40 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
NYU's ITP program is about US$31,000 per year.
Why would anyone want to go there then?
Guess its worth it. I didn't pay for it, but almost 100 people a
year do.
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On 9/10/06, Georg Holzmann grhPD@gmx.at wrote:
hm - I don't know if I understand you correctly, but you mean the costs for the study? They are in austria ca. 370€ for one semester !
LG Georg
Annual tuition and fees for my current undergrad art school- The University of the Arts- is $25,680. And the comma means thousand. And they don't have Pd. I think you've helped me make a decision.
-Chuckk
On Sun, 10 Sep 2006, Georg Holzmann wrote:
I was going to save up for a strictly nonacademic traveling experience, but if a university in one of these countries (_especially_ IEM) would be at a lower cost than NYU or CM, I would definitely consider it.
hm - I don't know if I understand you correctly, but you mean the costs for the study? They are in austria ca. 370? for one semester !
Did you take into account that foreigners may have to pay more than citizens?
e.g., for a semester in any Montréal university (UdeM/polytech/HEC, UQÀM/ETS/ESG, Concordia, McGill, etc.) it costs:
1200 CAD ( 840 EUR) if you're from anywhere in Québec 2400 CAD (1680 EUR) if you're from anywhere else in Canada 7200 CAD (5040 EUR) if you're from anywhere else in the world.
those prices may be wrong, e.g. it could very well be other values, but I think that the rule of thumb is that in general the government pays 2/3 of the price if you're Canadian and 5/6 if you're Québécois, and that's how I computed those example prices. Last time I checked the prices, it seemed to fit.
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I think for Austria it is EUR 726,72 per semester for students from non EU contries (with exceptions - for nationalities from poor countries it is free). things are changing slightly every year. for art universities there is a restriction to a certain number of study places, which means you have to make an entrance examination. most students contact their major professor before. and your undergrad will probably not be accepted, because Austria has no real undergrad studies like B.A., you mostly finish with a magister (M.A. equiv.). this may also change in the future and is already now changing. all this is very different to GB and US, because there you can rely on undergrads from whatever university and also work experience, and you could still join a master course (correct me if IŽm wrong). The question is, which university to recommend in Austria... the IEM in Graz is a part of the Technical Unniversity. you will study sound engineering or something technical to have courses there. In Vienna there is the "University for Music and performing Arts" and the "Angewandte". I think they show Pd once to students, but do not teach it (thomas grill teaches there). still, some students work with Pd. In overall, there are not many (about 2400, tendency downwards) students from the US in Austria.
marius.
Mathieu Bouchard schrieb:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2006, Georg Holzmann wrote:
I was going to save up for a strictly nonacademic traveling experience, but if a university in one of these countries (_especially_ IEM) would be at a lower cost than NYU or CM, I would definitely consider it.
hm - I don't know if I understand you correctly, but you mean the costs for the study? They are in austria ca. 370? for one semester !
Did you take into account that foreigners may have to pay more than citizens?
e.g., for a semester in any Montréal university (UdeM/polytech/HEC, UQÃM/ETS/ESG, Concordia, McGill, etc.) it costs:
1200 CAD ( 840 EUR) if you're from anywhere in Québec 2400 CAD (1680 EUR) if you're from anywhere else in Canada 7200 CAD (5040 EUR) if you're from anywhere else in the world.
those prices may be wrong, e.g. it could very well be other values, but I think that the rule of thumb is that in general the government pays 2/3 of the price if you're Canadian and 5/6 if you're Québécois, and that's how I computed those example prices. Last time I checked the prices, it seemed to fit.
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Hallo!
The question is, which university to recommend in Austria... the IEM in Graz is a part of the Technical Unniversity. you will study sound engineering or something technical to have courses there.
no, it is part of the university of music and there is e.g. a master-study computermusic which you can study after a thing like B.A. ...
LG Georg
Marius Schebella wrote:
The question is, which university to recommend in Austria... the IEM in Graz is a part of the Technical Unniversity. you will study sound engineering or something technical to have courses there.
please do note, that the IEM is an institute of the university of music and dramatic arts, and not part of the technical university. the main courses that you can study at the institute are "sound engineering" and "composition". while "composition" is a normal study at the university of music, "sound engineering" is an interuniversitary study, hold by both the technical university (which is the official "home" of this study) and the university of music (where the IEM holds most lectures for this study).
and as georg has mentioned, there is also the master-study "computer music".
mfg.asdr IOhannes
On 9/11/06, Marius Schebella marius.schebella@chello.at wrote:
I think for Austria it is EUR 726,72 per semester for students from non EU contries (with exceptions - for nationalities from poor countries it is free). things are changing slightly every year.
Maybe I should wait a few years, when the US will be a poor country.
for art universities there is a restriction to a certain number of study places, which means you have to make an entrance examination. most students contact their major professor before. and your undergrad will probably not be accepted, because Austria has no real undergrad studies like B.A., you mostly finish with a magister (M.A. equiv.). this may also change in the future and is already now changing. all this is very different to GB and US, because there you can
There must be some way. I've been unbearably frustrated by my teachers' unwillingness to pursue really challenging subjects, and I've been told a bunch of times I'm pursuing graduate-level things. Can it be that the best course of action for a very intelligent and driven computer music student is to drop out of school and educate himself online? If not, I must find a program that will accept me. It would be irrational to continue an expensive education in "the basics" when I've been dying for more advanced studies for years. A thousand unchallenging things with short deadlines are not the same as a few challenging things...
-Chuckk
Hi Chuck~
In my (recently finished) undergraduate experience, I learned that PhD's are very particular about the research that they proctor. They are unlikely to be interested in learning something new (like Pure Data) if it isn't in their narrowly defined research field. They'd rather spend their precious research hours on something likely to guarantee tenure.
So when I tried to find a research prof at my school to support my learning Pd, I wasn't satisfied. Bottom line, if you want to learn something specific, investigate the staff at the institution of your choice. If they are not already ears-deep in what you're dying to learn, it's a far cry that they will change their deeply-ingrained tendencies to accommodate you.
~Kyle
On 9/11/06, Chuckk Hubbard badmuthahubbard@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/11/06, Marius Schebella marius.schebella@chello.at wrote:
I think for Austria it is EUR 726,72 per semester for students from non EU contries (with exceptions - for nationalities from poor countries it is free). things are changing slightly every year.
Maybe I should wait a few years, when the US will be a poor country.
for art universities there is a restriction to a certain number of study places, which means you have to make an entrance examination. most students contact their major professor before. and your undergrad will probably not be accepted, because Austria has no real undergrad studies like B.A., you mostly finish with a magister (M.A. equiv.). this may also change in the future and is already now changing. all this is very different to GB and US, because there you can
There must be some way. I've been unbearably frustrated by my teachers' unwillingness to pursue really challenging subjects, and I've been told a bunch of times I'm pursuing graduate-level things. Can it be that the best course of action for a very intelligent and driven computer music student is to drop out of school and educate himself online? If not, I must find a program that will accept me. It would be irrational to continue an expensive education in "the basics" when I've been dying for more advanced studies for years. A thousand unchallenging things with short deadlines are not the same as a few challenging things...
-Chuckk
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Good point. The only PhD's I know at my current school have been the ones supporting me the most, but although they are curious, of course they can't teach me computer music. Alas, this was one of the only schools in Philadelphia that was willing to admit a banjo player. Actually, though, it's mostly music cognition that they tell me is graduate level, and that my teachers don't want to learn. To me it is inseparable from composition. I'll take your advice to heart in my search. I'm checking out schools whose names have come up on this list first.
-Chuckk
On 9/11/06, Kyle Klipowicz kyleklip@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Chuck~
In my (recently finished) undergraduate experience, I learned that PhD's are very particular about the research that they proctor. They are unlikely to be interested in learning something new (like Pure Data) if it isn't in their narrowly defined research field. They'd rather spend their precious research hours on something likely to guarantee tenure.
So when I tried to find a research prof at my school to support my learning Pd, I wasn't satisfied. Bottom line, if you want to learn something specific, investigate the staff at the institution of your choice. If they are not already ears-deep in what you're dying to learn, it's a far cry that they will change their deeply-ingrained tendencies to accommodate you.
~Kyle
On 9/11/06, Chuckk Hubbard badmuthahubbard@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/11/06, Marius Schebella marius.schebella@chello.at wrote:
I think for Austria it is EUR 726,72 per semester for students from non EU contries (with exceptions - for nationalities from poor countries it is free). things are changing slightly every year.
Maybe I should wait a few years, when the US will be a poor country.
for art universities there is a restriction to a certain number of study places, which means you have to make an entrance examination. most students contact their major professor before. and your undergrad will probably not be accepted, because Austria has no real undergrad studies like B.A., you mostly finish with a magister (M.A. equiv.). this may also change in the future and is already now changing. all this is very different to GB and US, because there you can
There must be some way. I've been unbearably frustrated by my teachers' unwillingness to pursue really challenging subjects, and I've been told a bunch of times I'm pursuing graduate-level things. Can it be that the best course of action for a very intelligent and driven computer music student is to drop out of school and educate himself online? If not, I must find a program that will accept me. It would be irrational to continue an expensive education in "the basics" when I've been dying for more advanced studies for years. A thousand unchallenging things with short deadlines are not the same as a few challenging things...
-Chuckk
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