Hi, everyone.
I hesitated to post this question, because it seems like such an
obvious FAQ. I couldn't find the answer by searching around.
My linux workstation has a crappy, noisy sound card. I want to
replace it with a higher quality device. Preferably outside the box
to avoid interference. I notice that several manufacturers offer
solutions, Creative, M-Audio, etc. Is any preferred by Pders?
Please discuss.
I have a digidesign M-Box that I use with pro-tools on my mac. Of
course, it won't work with linux or, for that matter, with most
versions of Pd on OSX. I mention it to give an idea of the quality
level that I desire.
Cheers, David
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Hallo, David F. Place hat gesagt: // David F. Place wrote:
I hesitated to post this question, because it seems like such an
obvious FAQ. I couldn't find the answer by searching around.My linux workstation has a crappy, noisy sound card. I want to
replace it with a higher quality device. Preferably outside the box
to avoid interference. I notice that several manufacturers offer
solutions, Creative, M-Audio, etc. Is any preferred by Pders?
Please discuss.
There is no need to go external with a workstation: Modern semi-pro level soundcards generally don't pick up noise through interference anymore. So I would definitely recommend a PCI card, if you can use that. E.g. the M-Audio Delta cards are nice, not too expensive and pretty much standard in many machines. Terratec etc. also make cards with the ICE chipsets onboard, they will work as well.
But if you insist on USB: I would avoid M-Audio USB cards: It's too risky to get one that doesn't work - like the old Quattro, though that is discontinued thankfully.
You have to be careful with cards that only support 24Bit audio, like the Tapco Link.USB or the Alesis IO2. They will work with Jack, but not with Pd over ALSA. Also the Lexicon cards give problems according to reports on the Linux lists.
Other than that you can probably get any card. Check the USB device list on www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/
Some recommendation would be a card by Edirol or the Terratec Phase 26 (which unfortunatly lacks balanced outs, but otherwise is good and inexpensive. I use one on my laptop.)
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__
Thanks, Frank. An attraction of the Edirol is the balanced ins that
would allow me to use my sweet (oh so sweet) Neumanns.
On May 4, 2007, at 10:31 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Some recommendation would be a card by Edirol or the Terratec Phase 26 (which unfortunatly lacks balanced outs, but otherwise is good and inexpensive. I use one on my laptop.)
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moin David,
I just recently acquired an Edirol UA-25 with which I'm quite happy (2 channel analog|digital audio I/O, MIDI). I've also heard good reports of the Terratec Phase 26 (are you out there Frank?), but have no experience with it myself. In general, I'd advise you to avoid M-Audio's USB audio devices under linux: I think the best that can be said for these is that "some of them work some of the time": my M-Audio Quattro is currently gathering dust in the closet ;-) If you can afford it, I think that the RME "Hammerfall" series is the Way To Go (note capitals)...
marmosets, Bryan
On 2007-05-04 15:53:27, "David F. Place" d@vidplace.com appears to have written:
Hi, everyone.
I hesitated to post this question, because it seems like such an
obvious FAQ. I couldn't find the answer by searching around.My linux workstation has a crappy, noisy sound card. I want to
replace it with a higher quality device. Preferably outside the box
to avoid interference. I notice that several manufacturers offer
solutions, Creative, M-Audio, etc. Is any preferred by Pders?
Please discuss.I have a digidesign M-Box that I use with pro-tools on my mac. Of
course, it won't work with linux or, for that matter, with most
versions of Pd on OSX. I mention it to give an idea of the quality
level that I desire.Cheers, David
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Thanks, Bryan. The Edirol UA-25 looks good and the price is right.
Did you have any trouble getting it to work under linux? I noticed
that the manufacturer only supplies drivers for Windows and Mac.
On May 4, 2007, at 10:34 AM, Bryan Jurish wrote:
moin David,
I just recently acquired an Edirol UA-25 with which I'm quite happy (2 channel analog|digital audio I/O, MIDI). -- Bryan Jurish "There is *always* one more
bug." jurish@ling.uni-potsdam.de -Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic
Entomology
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Hallo, David F. Place hat gesagt: // David F. Place wrote:
Thanks, Bryan. The Edirol UA-25 looks good and the price is right.
Did you have any trouble getting it to work under linux? I noticed
that the manufacturer only supplies drivers for Windows and Mac.
This doesn't matter.
Or rather: It is a good sign, if a manufacture doesn't provide any drivers at all for USB devices! Because that means, that the device doesn't need any special configuration besides what's written in the USB specification. Then the standard USB driver can be used without further ado. (Note: One of the reason for the problems the infamous M-Audio Quattro - and now the Lexicon cards - create is that they violate the USB specification in a nasty way.)
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__
moin David, moin list,
Nope, I had no problems at all with the UA-25: in "basic mode" (44k, 16bit, no MIDI), it works "out of the box". In "Advance mode" (44|48k duplex, 96k simplex, or anything involving MIDI) I've been using the ALSA plugin layer (probably related to the fact that in this mode the device uses 24 bit samples), and have had problems with OSS emulation (these might have been just MIDI-related; I can check if it's critical to you), but running pd with '-rt -alsa' or using jack works like a charm. Sound quality is quite good: the ua-25 makes the onboard chip (intel i8x0) on my laptop sound like an RCA-Victor from ca. 1927; subjectively, I'd say it's comparable to the ICE1712 pci card in my desktop. Also, I personally love having the mixer elements in hardware: fewer windows cluttering up my workspace ;-)
marmosets, Bryan
ps - there's a very good howto for the ua-25 under linux using alsa on the alsa wiki:
http://alsa.opensrc.org/Edirol_UA-25
On 2007-05-04 16:57:49, "David F. Place" d@vidplace.com appears to have written:
Thanks, Bryan. The Edirol UA-25 looks good and the price is right.
Did you have any trouble getting it to work under linux? I noticed that the manufacturer only supplies drivers for Windows and Mac.On May 4, 2007, at 10:34 AM, Bryan Jurish wrote:
moin David,
I just recently acquired an Edirol UA-25 with which I'm quite happy (2 channel analog|digital audio I/O, MIDI). --Bryan Jurish "There is *always* one more bug." jurish@ling.uni-potsdam.de -Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology
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Are other 'Edirol' devices also working nicely with ALSA ?
From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at on behalf of Bryan Jurish Sent: Fri 5/4/2007 4:59 PM To: David F. Place Cc: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] USB Sound "card"
moin David, moin list,
Nope, I had no problems at all with the UA-25: in "basic mode" (44k, 16bit, no MIDI), it works "out of the box". In "Advance mode" (44|48k duplex, 96k simplex, or anything involving MIDI) I've been using the ALSA plugin layer (probably related to the fact that in this mode the device uses 24 bit samples), and have had problems with OSS emulation (these might have been just MIDI-related; I can check if it's critical to you), but running pd with '-rt -alsa' or using jack works like a charm. Sound quality is quite good: the ua-25 makes the onboard chip (intel i8x0) on my laptop sound like an RCA-Victor from ca. 1927; subjectively, I'd say it's comparable to the ICE1712 pci card in my desktop. Also, I personally love having the mixer elements in hardware: fewer windows cluttering up my workspace ;-)
marmosets, Bryan
ps - there's a very good howto for the ua-25 under linux using alsa on the alsa wiki:
http://alsa.opensrc.org/Edirol_UA-25
On 2007-05-04 16:57:49, "David F. Place" d@vidplace.com appears to have written:
Thanks, Bryan. The Edirol UA-25 looks good and the price is right. Did you have any trouble getting it to work under linux? I noticed that the manufacturer only supplies drivers for Windows and Mac.
On May 4, 2007, at 10:34 AM, Bryan Jurish wrote:
moin David,
I just recently acquired an Edirol UA-25 with which I'm quite happy (2 channel analog|digital audio I/O, MIDI). --Bryan Jurish "There is *always* one more bug." jurish@ling.uni-potsdam.de -Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology
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-- Bryan Jurish "There is *always* one more bug." jurish@ling.uni-potsdam.de -Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology
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moin Robert,
it would appear so -- check out the site Frank mentioned a few iterations ago in this thread:
www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/
marmosets, Bryan
On 2007-05-04 19:29:00, "Atwood, Robert C" r.atwood@imperial.ac.uk appears to have written:
Are other 'Edirol' devices also working nicely with ALSA ?
David F. Place wrote:
Thanks, Bryan. The Edirol UA-25 looks good and the price is right.
Did you have any trouble getting it to work under linux? I noticed
that the manufacturer only supplies drivers for Windows and Mac.
I use a UA-25 too. And it works under linux with no problems at all.
It's a really nice card, the pre-amps are quite good too. The only thing you should know before buying it is that it doesn't work at 24bit / 96kHz full duplex. You can record or listen at 96kHz but you can't do both at that sampling rate. If this is important for you, choose another card. I use it at 24bit / 48kHz.
If you're concerned with latency: I get 5.33ms with a realtime patched kernel and 10.7ms with the vanilla kernel, which is quite good for a USB card.
Ciao,
c.
On May 4, 2007, at 10:34 AM, Bryan Jurish wrote:
moin David,
I just recently acquired an Edirol UA-25 with which I'm quite happy (2 channel analog|digital audio I/O, MIDI). -- Bryan Jurish "There is *always* one more
bug." jurish@ling.uni-potsdam.de -Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic
Entomology
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Hallo, Cesare Marilungo hat gesagt: // Cesare Marilungo wrote:
It's a really nice card, the pre-amps are quite good too. The only thing you should know before buying it is that it doesn't work at 24bit / 96kHz full duplex. You can record or listen at 96kHz but you can't do both at that sampling rate. If this is important for you, choose another card.
Just a note: Full duplex stereo at 24/96 is beyond the data rate that's available on USB (1.1) so if you need that, you cannot use a USB (1.1) card.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__
I have been using low-cost iMic USB audio interfaces, and they work really well. Shows right up under linux, and the noise floor is way below the built-in audio on my motherboard. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812999078 cheers, -David M.
On 5/4/07, David F. Place d@vidplace.com wrote:
Hi, everyone.
I hesitated to post this question, because it seems like such an obvious FAQ. I couldn't find the answer by searching around.
My linux workstation has a crappy, noisy sound card. I want to replace it with a higher quality device. Preferably outside the box to avoid interference. I notice that several manufacturers offer solutions, Creative, M-Audio, etc. Is any preferred by Pders? Please discuss.
I have a digidesign M-Box that I use with pro-tools on my mac. Of course, it won't work with linux or, for that matter, with most versions of Pd on OSX. I mention it to give an idea of the quality level that I desire.
Cheers, David
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