thanks so:: Josephine Lipuma
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thanks so: Josephine LiPuma
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(you know... i did send this exact message to the list at 11:46 am today too)
the_puma wrote:
thanks so:: Josephine Lipuma
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Josh Steiner wrote:
(you know... i did send this exact message to the list at 11:46 am today too)
thanks for doing my work (unlike me in a polite way!)
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i am wondering, whether people do not see this message (e.g. it is to small) or do not understand it (e.g. "un-subscription" means nothing to them or my english is not understandable)
anybody knows a a better hint for people who want to unsubscribe themselve ??
mfg.s.dr IOhannes
Hallo, zmoelnig@iem.at hat gesagt: // zmoelnig@iem.at wrote:
i am wondering, whether people do not see this message (e.g. it is to small) or do not understand it (e.g. "un-subscription" means nothing to them or my english is not understandable)
anybody knows a a better hint for people who want to unsubscribe themselve ??
I think it's quite understandable. But it happens all the time on all lists I'm on, that people ask for unsubscribe information although it's in every mail they get.
I think many people just don't read their mails very careful. Maybe that's because of all those spam advertisting in mail footers?
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
- Bloated .sig signatures desensitize people to any and all
"below the line" text.
- 1 topic per posting, and reply-on-top allow efficient handling
of list mail. An unfortunate side effect is that the list footer is lost at the bottom.
- The signature should have fewer lines, bolder, full width, and
multi-lingual. Suggestion: _________________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE/BESTELLEN SIE AB/ANNULER/CANCELAMENTO http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list
- The polite technique is a reply to the person only, with ONLY the
list footer.
Lex
zmoelnig@iem.at wrote:
Josh Steiner wrote:
(you know... i did send this exact message to the list at 11:46 am today too)
thanks for doing my work (unlike me in a polite way!)
_______________________________________________ PD-list mailing list PD-list@iem.at to manage your subscription (including un-subscription) see http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list
i am wondering, whether people do not see this message (e.g. it is to small) or do not understand it (e.g. "un-subscription" means nothing to them or my english is not understandable)
anybody knows a a better hint for people who want to unsubscribe themselve ??
mfg.s.dr IOhannes
Hallo, Lex Ein hat gesagt: // Lex Ein wrote:
- 1 topic per posting, and reply-on-top allow efficient handling
of list mail.
Huh? Generally bottom quoting is considered to be bad style (because people read top to bottom) as is not shortening the previous mails to just the relevant text. A popular text regarding this is http://learn.to/quote/
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Lex Ein hat gesagt: // Lex Ein wrote:
- reply-on-top allow efficient handling of list mail.
Huh? Generally bottom quoting is considered to be bad style[...]
But (from "Netiquette") - "Follow any and all guidelines that the listowner has posted; the listowner establishes the local "netiquette" standards for her/his list." Well, there aren't any, so we could argue this until doomsday.
Counterstrike: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/brox.html "it's very easy to lose the context in a posting without any quoting at all. Letting the reader understand the context is very important for easy reading. Therefore there should always be /some few/ lines reminding the reader about what kind of discussion he is into. If a person has to /scroll down/ to read the new information, there are probably too much [sic] quotes in the article. "
My more important point (now lost at the bottom of this message) is that the list footer should be concise, bold, and clear.
Lex Ein wrote:
But (from "Netiquette") - "Follow any and all guidelines that the listowner has posted; the listowner establishes the local "netiquette" standards for her/his list." Well, there aren't any, so we could argue this until doomsday.
actually the listowner can set up a local netiquette and he as done so right now... new subscribers will get a reference link to a site explaining how quotes should be done. anyone else gets the link at http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list
probably there will be a real "local netiquette"-site in the future.
Counterstrike: all. Letting the reader understand the context is very important for easy reading. Therefore there should always be /some few/ lines reminding the reader about what kind of discussion he is into.
actually there should always be at least one line for "reminding the reader": the subject
as for "some few" lines, this does not say anything about where they should be (top or bottom), but as we are reading top-down and we need to know the context before we understand an answer, this is a strong argument for top quotes. and bottom quotes tend to become TOFU.
- Bloated .sig signatures desensitize people to any and all
"below the line" text.
signatures tend to bloat because several "people" (e.g.: software) add there signature to the same posting. while there might be "interesting" (for *me*) information in the signature (e.g: how to unsubscribe from a mailing-list) there is often "uninteresting" (for *me*) information (e.g: that someone is using hotmail (i can get the same information reading his email-address))
of course all of the unsubscribe information is also present in the header of the mail (but i don't think we can get people to examine the header of an email to turn off postings...)
- 1 topic per posting,
certainly
- The signature should have fewer lines, bolder, full width, and
multi-lingual.
i have stripped the signature down a bit
however, i don't like to bloat the signature with multilingual upper-case messages. the pd-list is an english only mailing-list. it should be ok to stay in english.
mfg.a.sdr IOhannes
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