it has nothing to do with apparences, you are using puredata and making money, but it's not really a job, like web developper, or teacher, or sound engineer, ... I'm using a Fender Stratocaster and making money as well, it's a good guitar, but no one use to say:
" man, the fender stratocaster is a professional guitar"
I do gain more money actually with PureData by using it for some installations, but I could use any other tool, if i'd be a good developper I'd make my own tool with c code for example, or python, is C a professional tool? is python a professional tool? No they are languages, why PureData isn't just considered as a language?
----- "João Pais" jmmmpais@googlemail.com a écrit :
I've performed and gave workshops using Pd, for which I was paid. I also
use pd to make patches to generate materials for my pieces (which, rarely,
are paid as well). Is that professional enough to join the professional
club?Or does it turn professional only if we pay someone to design a corporate
identity, with a nice logo and a website, and a foto of the developerswearing suits?
People pay me to make projects, its my main profession, and I use
Pd.
But I guess that's not enough to make something "professional". ;)
it has nothing to do with apparences, you are using puredata and making
money, but it's not really a job, like web developper, or teacher, or sound
engineer, ...
I'm sorry, but I'm a musician, I study music since I was 11 (a late age to
start), and I have several diplomas (not that they're worth anything). And
Pd is my instrument, as it is the instrument I use the most to do my
music. My job is to be a musician, it's what I studied all my life. I know
that in some countries that doesn't count as a job, but on some others it
does.
(what I do sometimes to pay the rent isn't my desired job, but a
compromise so that I can have my independence when doing music. although
many people would see it in reverse)
I do gain more money actually with PureData by using it for some
installations, but I could use any other tool, if i'd be a good developper I'd make my
own tool with c code for example, or python, is C a professional tool? is python
a professional tool? No they are languages, why PureData isn't just considered as a language?
if they allow people to do profissional work, why aren't they professional
as well?
what's professional? e.g. reason, which comes with a nice GUI and manual,
and doesn't let you do a fraction of what you can do with pd?
is max/msp professional? if yes, what's the difference between that and pd?
is csound professional? it's free, it's taught in many universities, and
used by many many composers. and for tape synthesis it's the best you can
get.
if by "professional" you mean "it's sold and people make profit from it",
then in today's world it's such a worthy definition as to say "the website
of this software is blue, therefore it's a good website".
morning all,
On 2010-06-14 11:36:44, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.at appears to have written:
On 2010-06-13 15:15, patko wrote:
" man, the fender stratocaster is a professional guitar"
so what would be the guitar brand/model where someone would say: " man, this is a professional guitar"?
The name "Steve Klein" comes to mind (http://www.kleinguitars.com)... but bear in mind that I'm a bit biased as a Frisell devotee. OTOH, Robert Johnson produced some phenomenal music on what sound like serious klunkers (although the recording technology left a lot to be desired too)... so what was the point again? :-P
marmosets, Bryan
ps - sorry sorry sorry, I just couldn't resist pulling this thread even further OT ;-)
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010, patko wrote:
it has nothing to do with apparences, you are using puredata and making money, but it's not really a job, like web developper, or teacher, or sound engineer, ...
what's a job then ? what makes something count as a job and why ?
I do gain more money actually with PureData by using it for some installations, but I could use any other tool, if i'd be a good developper I'd make my own tool with c code for example, or python, is C a professional tool? is python a professional tool? No they are languages, why PureData isn't just considered as a language?
a language is a tool, and so is the interpreter and/or compiler that understands it.
why is it relevant to say that you could use any other tool ? I don't quite follow.
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