I'm sure this has come up a few times, but...
I still do think that having and LV2 external for Pd (Linux) would be really useful for various reasons:
effects) on Linux
usable host is Carla [1] which does have a set of limitations especially for more 'dynamic' / 'creative' stuff.
frozen by now
somewhat more limited ecosystem on Linux [*]
programming and LV2 capabilities would be great and allow many interesting possibilities...
I see there is still this page: https://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/PluginHostLV2
where LV2 is cited as "the new emerging standard for audio plugins" (sic.)
[*] I'm wondering also if most of the Pd users' community is now on non-Linux platforms and therefore just happy to use VST therefore making something like LV2 (and by extension Linux) less relevant?
Just thought it would be interesting to re-open this discussion.
Cheers, Lorenzo
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 9:59 AM Lorenzo Sutton lorenzofsutton@gmail.com wrote:
I'm sure this has come up a few times, but...
I still do think that having and LV2 external for Pd (Linux) would be really useful for various reasons:
LV2 is not at all limited to Linux though. It's simply a plugin-API which is fully cross-platform (probably supports more platforms than VST2/3).
- there is LADSPA and DSSI support but both are essentially dead /
frozen by now
You can still create (cross-platform) LADSPA and DSSI plugins using ie. DPF
I kind of expect people to say "why not go straight to CLAP?", but I personally agree that LV2 still has plenty of potential ;) JUCE7 (which a huge section of plugin devs use) also supports LV2 (plugin + hosting).
regards, Alexander
- Pd does have VST support, but VST is a non-free standard and has a
somewhat more limited ecosystem on Linux [*]
- Most importantly: mixing Pd's flexibility with Audio (DSP) and/or MIDI
programming and LV2 capabilities would be great and allow many interesting possibilities...
I see there is still this page: https://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/PluginHostLV2
where LV2 is cited as "the new emerging standard for audio plugins" (sic.)
[*] I'm wondering also if most of the Pd users' community is now on non-Linux platforms and therefore just happy to use VST therefore making something like LV2 (and by extension Linux) less relevant?
Just thought it would be interesting to re-open this discussion.
Cheers, Lorenzo
[1] https://kx.studio/Applications:Carla
Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
you might want to check out element by kushview, plugin host with lua capabilities and something like plugdata to get puredata into it ..
On Thu, 22 Dec 2022, 09:59 Lorenzo Sutton, lorenzofsutton@gmail.com wrote:
I'm sure this has come up a few times, but...
I still do think that having and LV2 external for Pd (Linux) would be really useful for various reasons:
- LV2 has now a nice ecosystem of plugins (both 'instruments' and
effects) on Linux
- LV2 non-DAW host landscape on Linux is relatively limited. The most
usable host is Carla [1] which does have a set of limitations especially for more 'dynamic' / 'creative' stuff.
- there is LADSPA and DSSI support but both are essentially dead /
frozen by now
- Pd does have VST support, but VST is a non-free standard and has a
somewhat more limited ecosystem on Linux [*]
- Most importantly: mixing Pd's flexibility with Audio (DSP) and/or MIDI
programming and LV2 capabilities would be great and allow many interesting possibilities...
I see there is still this page: https://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/PluginHostLV2
where LV2 is cited as "the new emerging standard for audio plugins" (sic.)
[*] I'm wondering also if most of the Pd users' community is now on non-Linux platforms and therefore just happy to use VST therefore making something like LV2 (and by extension Linux) less relevant?
Just thought it would be interesting to re-open this discussion.
Cheers, Lorenzo
[1] https://kx.studio/Applications:Carla
Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list