i'm developing an installation for a public-access augmented table educational interface. i'd like to use pd bu i'm not sure about its long-term stability.
previously the place i'm working has used cps (http://cps.bonneville.nl/) - i'm wondering, has anyone here had any experiences with cps? could they recommend it/or not?
or pd for that matter - how reliable might pd be in an 8 hrs a day 7 days a week installation 500km away from where i live? would using pd here be a dumb idea?
Damian Stewart ha scritto:
i'm developing an installation for a public-access augmented table educational interface. i'd like to use pd bu i'm not sure about its long-term stability.
previously the place i'm working has used cps (http://cps.bonneville.nl/) - i'm wondering, has anyone here had any experiences with cps? could they recommend it/or not?
I have used CPS for some years, I have mainly used it in conjunction with macromedia director (because CPS has a nice and simple xtra for director).
PD is free software. More that one persons contribute to the development of PD and many persons use it (and therefore they test it). The aid that this mailing list (above all from part of most expert, please dont ask anithing to me :) ) can gives to you in order to resolve some problems is a lot important. The number of the extra modules (external or abstractions) freely available is truly impressive. The possibility to make to interact the sound with the video and the 3D (with some big library as pdp, pidip, gem, gridflow etc.) make of PD a extremely comfortable envirrument in order to develop your creativity.
bye
Lazzaro
I've used Pd in a number of installations and its great for this,
especially when running on GNU/Linux. For this installation:
I ran the whole thing on a discarded PC running Pd on Debian. It
would automatically start up the installation on boot, and I set it
up so that the disks ran synchronously so that it could be power-
cycled without worrying about losing data. They had random power
outages, so it had to come back by itself. It did crash sometimes
(you can probably blame my programming), but the gallery people could
just flip the power to get it going again. Yes, it takes time to set
up Debian, and to make things start up like that. But it has saved
me probably days worth of troubleshooting time, so it was well worth it.
There are a number of other examples of installations running Pd,
there is a permanent sound installation in a park in Vienna that runs
Pd. IEM's 24-channel ambisonic setup runs Pd. There is an
installation here at NIME/Agora @ IRCAM that is running Pd. So its
definitely ready for prime time.
.hc
On Jun 7, 2006, at 5:29 AM, Damian Stewart wrote:
i'm developing an installation for a public-access augmented table
educational interface. i'd like to use pd bu i'm not sure about its
long-term stability.previously the place i'm working has used cps (http:// cps.bonneville.nl/) - i'm wondering, has anyone here had any
experiences with cps? could they recommend it/or not?or pd for that matter - how reliable might pd be in an 8 hrs a day
7 days a week installation 500km away from where i live? would
using pd here be a dumb idea?-- f r e y live music with computers http://www.frey.co.nz
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I also made some good experience with Pd in installation surroundings. also with old computers. one installation is running for more than two years now. two others were running for a half year each. the problem is rather the hardware (esp. with older hardware, where harddisks and mainboards can break.) all of the installations start by turning on a main switch / resp. the fuses of the whole room. linux (I use debian) is preferred, I also unmount harddisks after startup and having everything in the RAM to prevent harddisk damage by powerblackouts. on both, osx and windows you could run into problems when changing from summer to wintertime in longtime installations and on mac os(9?) I once saw problems with large temp files (that was not a Pd installation). marius.
Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb:
I've used Pd in a number of installations and its great for this,
especially when running on GNU/Linux. For this installation:I ran the whole thing on a discarded PC running Pd on Debian. It would automatically start up the installation on boot, and I set it up so that the disks ran synchronously so that it could be power- cycled without worrying about losing data. They had random power outages, so it had to come back by itself. It did crash sometimes (you can probably blame my programming), but the gallery people could just flip the power to get it going again. Yes, it takes time to set up Debian, and to make things start up like that. But it has saved me probably days worth of troubleshooting time, so it was well worth it.
There are a number of other examples of installations running Pd, there is a permanent sound installation in a park in Vienna that runs Pd. IEM's 24-channel ambisonic setup runs Pd. There is an installation here at NIME/Agora @ IRCAM that is running Pd. So its definitely ready for prime time.
.hc
On Jun 7, 2006, at 5:29 AM, Damian Stewart wrote:
i'm developing an installation for a public-access augmented table
educational interface. i'd like to use pd bu i'm not sure about its
long-term stability.previously the place i'm working has used cps (http:// cps.bonneville.nl/) - i'm wondering, has anyone here had any
experiences with cps? could they recommend it/or not?or pd for that matter - how reliable might pd be in an 8 hrs a day 7 days a week installation 500km away from where i live? would using pd here be a dumb idea?
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would be very very nice to have a page on the wiki explaining how to setup a debian machine like the one you described (putting eveything in RAM, autostartup, etc..).
I've made a couple of installation but they were rather instable (i used GEM on Fedora c4 and on Ubuntu). the first because I had to load videofiles and from time to time it crashed; the second was my fault, I kept sending too much data to GEM getting a lot of stack overflow.
ciao, davide
www.davidemorelli.it
-----Messaggio originale----- Da: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-bounces@iem.at] Per conto di Marius Schebella Inviato: giovedì 8 giugno 2006 11.46 A: Hans-Christoph Steiner Cc: PD-List Oggetto: Re: [PD] CPS vs PD - experiences?
I also made some good experience with Pd in installation surroundings. also with old computers. one installation is running for more than two years now. two others were running for a half year each. the problem is rather the hardware (esp. with older hardware, where harddisks and mainboards can break.) all of the installations start by turning on a main switch / resp. the fuses of the whole room. linux (I use debian) is preferred, I also unmount harddisks after startup and having everything in the RAM to prevent harddisk damage by powerblackouts. on both, osx and windows you could run into problems when changing from summer to wintertime in longtime installations and on mac os(9?) I once saw problems with large temp files (that was not a Pd installation). marius.
Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb:
I've used Pd in a number of installations and its great for this, especially when running on GNU/Linux. For this installation:
I ran the whole thing on a discarded PC running Pd on Debian. It
would automatically start up the installation on boot, andI set it
up so that the disks ran synchronously so that it could be power- cycled without worrying about losing data. They had random power
outages, so it had to come back by itself. It did crash sometimes
(you can probably blame my programming), but the gallerypeople could
just flip the power to get it going again. Yes, it takes
time to set
up Debian, and to make things start up like that. But it
has saved
me probably days worth of troubleshooting time, so it was
well worth it.
There are a number of other examples of installations running Pd,
there is a permanent sound installation in a park in Viennathat runs Pd.
IEM's 24-channel ambisonic setup runs Pd. There is an
installation
here at NIME/Agora @ IRCAM that is running Pd. So its definitely ready for prime time.
.hc
On Jun 7, 2006, at 5:29 AM, Damian Stewart wrote:
i'm developing an installation for a public-access augmented table educational interface. i'd like to use pd bu i'm not sure
about its
long-term stability.
previously the place i'm working has used cps (http:// cps.bonneville.nl/) - i'm wondering, has anyone here had any experiences with cps? could they recommend it/or not?
or pd for that matter - how reliable might pd be in an 8
hrs a day 7
days a week installation 500km away from where i live?
would using
pd here be a dumb idea?
-- f r e y live music with computers http://www.frey.co.nz
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I wrote a Debian startup script for Pd, its in CVS:
scripts/debian/init.d/pd
This script makes it easy to run Pd as a daemon. Hopefully, it'll
get included in the debian packages. I just added a mount option to
run the disk synchronously (meaning that there is no write caching).
This will slow down disk operation, but makes it much more resistant
to hard restarts. You do that by adding the "sync" to the options
line in /etc/fstab.
But yes, a wiki page would be nice. Start a page here, this is a wiki:
.hc
On Jun 8, 2006, at 12:19 PM, Davide Morelli wrote:
would be very very nice to have a page on the wiki explaining how
to setup a debian machine like the one you described (putting eveything in RAM, autostartup, etc..).I've made a couple of installation but they were rather instable (i
used GEM on Fedora c4 and on Ubuntu). the first because I had to load
videofiles and from time to time it crashed; the second was my fault, I kept
sending too much data to GEM getting a lot of stack overflow.ciao, davide
www.davidemorelli.it
-----Messaggio originale----- Da: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-bounces@iem.at] Per conto di Marius Schebella Inviato: giovedì 8 giugno 2006 11.46 A: Hans-Christoph Steiner Cc: PD-List Oggetto: Re: [PD] CPS vs PD - experiences?
I also made some good experience with Pd in installation surroundings. also with old computers. one installation is running for more than two years now. two others were running for a half year each. the problem is rather the hardware (esp. with older hardware, where harddisks and mainboards can break.) all of the installations start by turning on a main switch / resp. the fuses of the whole room. linux (I use debian) is preferred, I also unmount harddisks after startup and having everything in the RAM to prevent harddisk damage by powerblackouts. on both, osx and windows you could run into problems when changing from summer to wintertime in longtime installations and on mac os(9?) I once saw problems with large temp files (that was not a Pd installation). marius.
Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb:
I've used Pd in a number of installations and its great for this, especially when running on GNU/Linux. For this installation:
I ran the whole thing on a discarded PC running Pd on Debian. It would automatically start up the installation on boot, and
I set it
up so that the disks ran synchronously so that it could be power- cycled without worrying about losing data. They had random power outages, so it had to come back by itself. It did crash sometimes (you can probably blame my programming), but the gallery
people could
just flip the power to get it going again. Yes, it takes
time to set
up Debian, and to make things start up like that. But it
has saved
me probably days worth of troubleshooting time, so it was
well worth it.
There are a number of other examples of installations running Pd, there is a permanent sound installation in a park in Vienna
that runs Pd.
IEM's 24-channel ambisonic setup runs Pd. There is an
installation
here at NIME/Agora @ IRCAM that is running Pd. So its definitely ready for prime time.
.hc
On Jun 7, 2006, at 5:29 AM, Damian Stewart wrote:
i'm developing an installation for a public-access augmented table educational interface. i'd like to use pd bu i'm not sure
about its
long-term stability.
previously the place i'm working has used cps (http:// cps.bonneville.nl/) - i'm wondering, has anyone here had any experiences with cps? could they recommend it/or not?
or pd for that matter - how reliable might pd be in an 8
hrs a day 7
days a week installation 500km away from where i live?
would using
pd here be a dumb idea?
-- f r e y live music with computers http://www.frey.co.nz
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On Thu, Jun 08, 2006 at 11:46:02AM +0200, Marius Schebella wrote:
I also made some good experience with Pd in installation surroundings.
I can also vouch for this. Customised Debian GNU/Linux + Pd is a great way to roll if you're doing an installation.
Best,
Chris.
chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx
Chris McCormick wrote:
I can also vouch for this. Customised Debian GNU/Linux + Pd is a great way to roll if you're doing an installation.
right-oh
cheers for the responses
unfortunately we're using Hyperion/oZone3D to render the display end of things and it probably all has to be on the one PC - which means Windows. will do some investigating to see whether this is actually true...
I ran a 90 day installation using pd and Gem without trouble. Again only when the gallery lost power did it go down. A flash server let me tweak it remotely/daily as well
Good luck!
From: Marius Schebella marius.schebella@chello.at Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:46:02 +0200 To: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org Cc: PD-List pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] CPS vs PD - experiences?
I also made some good experience with Pd in installation surroundings. also with old computers. one installation is running for more than two years now. two others were running for a half year each. the problem is rather the hardware (esp. with older hardware, where harddisks and mainboards can break.) all of the installations start by turning on a main switch / resp. the fuses of the whole room. linux (I use debian) is preferred, I also unmount harddisks after startup and having everything in the RAM to prevent harddisk damage by powerblackouts. on both, osx and windows you could run into problems when changing from summer to wintertime in longtime installations and on mac os(9?) I once saw problems with large temp files (that was not a Pd installation). marius.
Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb:
I've used Pd in a number of installations and its great for this, especially when running on GNU/Linux. For this installation:
I ran the whole thing on a discarded PC running Pd on Debian. It would automatically start up the installation on boot, and I set it up so that the disks ran synchronously so that it could be power- cycled without worrying about losing data. They had random power outages, so it had to come back by itself. It did crash sometimes (you can probably blame my programming), but the gallery people could just flip the power to get it going again. Yes, it takes time to set up Debian, and to make things start up like that. But it has saved me probably days worth of troubleshooting time, so it was well worth it.
There are a number of other examples of installations running Pd, there is a permanent sound installation in a park in Vienna that runs Pd. IEM's 24-channel ambisonic setup runs Pd. There is an installation here at NIME/Agora @ IRCAM that is running Pd. So its definitely ready for prime time.
.hc
On Jun 7, 2006, at 5:29 AM, Damian Stewart wrote:
i'm developing an installation for a public-access augmented table educational interface. i'd like to use pd bu i'm not sure about its long-term stability.
previously the place i'm working has used cps (http:// cps.bonneville.nl/) - i'm wondering, has anyone here had any experiences with cps? could they recommend it/or not?
or pd for that matter - how reliable might pd be in an 8 hrs a day 7 days a week installation 500km away from where i live? would using pd here be a dumb idea?
-- f r e y live music with computers http://www.frey.co.nz
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