On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 pd@ursliska.de wrote:
Tim Blechmann schrieb:
the socket-communication between pd's kernel and the gui is one of the weakest parts of pd ... using a threaded py/pyext, you won't need to use this bottleneck ...
Are there any plans to change this way of communication in the future (say, for a version 1.0)?
Starting with version 0.39, it is increasingly important to distinguish between the two PureDatas: Miller's PureData, and everyone else's PureData. It's currently the former that gets the most distributed.
If you want any insight on what Miller's PureData will be, you can only ask Miller.
If you want to know about everyone else's PureData, ask Tim, Mathieu, Chun, Georg, Carmen, Christian, Thomas, etc., and one of us will answer. You do that by subscribing and posting to pd-dev:
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Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801 - http://artengine.ca/matju Freelance Digital Arts Engineer, Montréal QC Canada
Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Starting with version 0.39, it is increasingly important to distinguish between the two PureDatas: Miller's PureData, and everyone else's PureData. It's currently the former that gets the most distributed.
If you want any insight on what Miller's PureData will be, you can only ask Miller.
I have attached the latest version of my attempt to understand Miller's pd-0.38-4 at least as far as the gui communication works. As you can see it is done slightly differently on the three main platforms.
Martin
*** pure data structure *** 20050630 Martin Peach *** Miller Puckette's notes: *** --------------------- source notes --------------------------
that can be sent messages ("pure data"). (note that t_object and t_text, and t_graph and t_canvas, should be unified...)
m_pd.h t_pd anything with a class t_gobj "graphic object" t_text patchable object, AKA t_object g_canvas.h t_glist list of graphic objects, AKA t_canvas
... and other structures: g_canvas.h t_selection -- linked list of gobjs t_editor -- editor state, allocated for visible glists m_imp.h t_methodentry -- method handler t_widgetbehavior -- class-dependent editing behavior for gobjs t_parentwidgetbehavior -- objects' behavior on parent window t_class -- method definitions, instance size, flags, etc.
(-Wall on linux, for instance; see the makefile.) Some informalities are intentional, for instance the loose use of function prototypes (see below) and uncast conversions from longer to shorter numerical formats. The code doesn't respect "const" yet.
1.1. Prefixes in structure elements. The names of structure elements always have a K&R-style prefix, as in ((t_atom)x)->a_type, where the "a_" prefix indicates "atom." This is intended to enhance readability (although the convention arose from a limitation of early C compilers.) Common prefixes are "w_" (word), "a_" (atom), "s_" (symbol), "ob_" (object), "te_" (text object), "g_" (graphical object), and "gl_" (glist, a list of graphical objects). Also, global symbols sometimes get prefixes, as in "s_float" (the symbol whose string is "float). Typedefs are prefixed by "t_". Most _private_ structures, i.e., structures whose definitions appear in a ".c" file, are prefixed by "x_".
1.2. Function arguments. Many functions take as their first argument a pointer named "x", which is a pointer to a structure suggested by the function prefix; e.g., canvas_dirty(x, n) where "x" points to a canvas (t_canvas *x).
1.3. Function Prototypes. Functions which are used in at least two different files (besides where they originate) are prototyped in the appropriate include file. Functions which are provided in one file and used in one other are prototyped right where they are used. This is just to keep the size of the ".h" files down for readability's sake.
1.4. Whacko private terminology. Some terms are lifted from other historically relevant programs, notably "ugen" (which is just a tilde object; see d_ugen.c.)
1.5. Spacing. Tabs are 8 spaces; indentation is 4 spaces. Indenting curly brackets are by themselves on their own lines, as in:
if (x)
{
x = 0;
}
Lines should fit within 80 spaces.
provided which aspire to strict compatibility with 0.26 patches (ISPW version), but which don't get anywhere close to that yet. Where possible, features appearing on the Mac will someday also be provided; for instance, the connect message on the Mac offers segmented patch cords; these will devolve into straight lines in Pd. Many, many UI objects in Opcode Max will not appear in Pd, at least at first.
objects follow the style of 0.26 objects as closely as possible, making exceptions in cases where the 0.26 model is clearly deficient. These are:
3.1. Anything involving the MacIntosh "Handle" data type is changed to use char * or void * instead.
3.2. Pd passes true single-precision floating-point arguments to methods; Max uses double. Typedefs are provided: t_floatarg, t_intarg for arguments passed by the message system t_float, t_int for the "word" union (in atoms, for example.)
3.3. Badly-named entities got name changes:
w_long --> w_int (in the "union word" structure)
3.4. Many library functions are renamed and have different arguments; I hope to provide an include file to alias them when compiling Max externs.
Many function names have prefixes which indicate what "package" they belong to. The exceptions are: typedmess, vmess, getfn, gensym (m_class.c) getbytes, freebytes, resizebytes (m_memory.c) post, error, bug (s_print.c) which are all frequently called and which don't fit into simple categories. Important packages are: (pd-gui:) pdgui -- everything (pd:) pd -- functions common to all "pd" objects obj -- fuctions common to all "patchable" objects ala Max sys -- "system" level functions binbuf -- functions manipulating binbufs class -- functions manipulating classes (other) -- functions common to the named Pd class
PD: s system interface m message system g graphics stuff d DSP objects x control objects z other
PD-GUI: t TK front end
*** Martin Peach's notes: ***
Here we will trace the flow of control through the various parts of pd as pd starts up.
*** pd / pd.exe *** PD starts in s_entry.c, where two types of main function, one for MSW and the other for Unix (linux and OSX (and Cygwin, we hope)), call sys_main(argc, argv), which is in s_main.c. On Windows, s_entry.c is the only file compiled into pd.exe. The rest ends up in pd.dll, which is linked to pd.exe. This is done so that externs will be able to link back to functions defined in pd. main() in s_entry.c calls: | |-sys_main in s_main.c calls: | |-pd_init(): in m_pd.c, calls: | | | |-mess_init(): in m_class.c sets up the builtin symbols s_pointer, s_float, | | s_symbol, s_bang, s_list, s_anything, s_signal, s__N, s__X, | | s_x, s_y, and s_, as well as the classes pd_objectmaker, | | for making boxes and pd_canvasmaker for making canvases. | | pd_canvasmaker is bound to the symbol s__N (#N, i.e. a new window). | | pd_objectmaker gets a pointer to new_anything(). | | | |-obj_init(): in m_obj.c sets up a generic inlet_class and adds pointers to | | inlet_bang, inlet_pointer, inlet_float, inlet_symbol, inlet_list, | | and inlet_anything. | | Also sets up specific pointerinlet_class, floatinlet_class, and | | symbolinlet_class. | | | |-conf_init(): in m_conf.c calls setup functions for the builtin objects. | | m_pd_setup() sets up the bindlist class that allows the binding | | of several objects to the same symbol, the way pointerinlet_class, | | floatinlet_class etc. are all bound to the symbol "inlet" | | | |-glob_init(): in m_glob.c sets up a pd class to respond to messages like "open", "quit", and the | symbols for the audio and MIDI dialogs, (and watchdog on Non-MacOSX unix). | |-sys_findprogdir(argv[0]): in s_main.c finds the path to the pd program, and from there | decides what sys_libdir and sys_guidir should be. | |-sys_loadpreferences(): in sfile.c, loads a file named .pdsettings from the user's home directory | (Unix), or (Windows) gets preferences from the registry. | |-sys_rcfile(): (non-Windows only) in s_path.c, attempts to load and parse a file named ".pdrc" (STARTUPNAME) | |-sys_argparse(): in s_main.c attempts to parse the command line arguments in the same way as | the .pdrc file. (sys_rcfile also calls sys_argparse). | |-sys_afterargparse(): in s_main.c sets the midi and ausio parameters according to the preferences | | that were loaded from .pdrc and the command line. Calls: | | | |-sys_open_audio(): in s_audio.c: opens audio in platform-specific manner | | | |-sys_open_midi(): in s_midi.c: opens midi in platform-specific manner | |-sys_startgui(sys_guidir->s_name): in s_inter.c sets up some signal handlers, opens a TCP socket (sys_guisock) | | on port 5400 (FIRSTPORTNUM) and then forks. | | *The child starts the gui process: | | *Under unix, the environment variables TCL_LIBRARY and TK_LIBRARY are declared | | *and the pd-gui program is called with the paths to tcl and tk libs, the pd.tk script and the port number as arguments: | | */bin/sh sh -c TCL_LIBRARY="LIBDIRPATH/tcl/library" TK_LIBRARY="LIBDIRPATH/tk/library" "GUIDIRPATH/pd-gui" 5400 | | *where LIBDIRPATH = sys_libdir->s_name, usually /lib/pd, and GUIDIRPATH = guidir, usually /lib/pd/bin | | *On Windows and MacOSX, the Wish shell is spawned and fed the pd.tk script. | | *The child exits, doesn't return. | | *On non-MacOSX unix platforms the parent thread opens a pipe, then forks again: | | **The child gives itself a higher priority by calling sys_set_priority(1) and | | **calls the shell to execute pd-watchdog. From the code: | | **"To prevent lockup, we fork off a watchdog process with higher real-time priority than ours. The GUI has to send | | **a stream of ping messages to the watchdog THROUGH the Pd process which has to pick them up from the GUI and forward | | **them. If any of these things aren't happening the watchdog starts sending "stop" and "cont" signals to the Pd process | | **to make it timeshare with the rest of the system. (Version 0.33P2 : if there's no GUI, the watchdog pinging is done | | **from the scheduler idle routine in this process instead.)" | | **The child exits. | | *The parent sets itself to another priority by calling sys_set_priority(0). | | *It assigns the write end of the pipe to sys_watchfd. | | *On Windows and MacOSX the parent uses system-specific calls to set a higher priority for itself. | | *Finally the parent thread calls | |-socketreceiver_new(0, 0, 0, 0) in s_inter.c. This initializes a t_socketreceiver class with all fields zeroed. | | struct _socketreceiver | | { | | char *sr_inbuf; | | int sr_inhead; | | int sr_intail; | | void *sr_owner; | | int sr_udp; | | t_socketnotifier sr_notifier; | | t_socketreceivefn sr_socketreceivefn; | | } | | | |-sys_addpollfn(sys_guisock, (t_fdpollfn)socketreceiver_read, sys_socketreceiver) in s_inter.c. This adds socketreceiver_read to | | the list of functions checked during sys_domicrosleep() | | typedef struct _fdpoll | | { | | int fdp_fd; | | t_fdpollfn fdp_fn; | | void *fdp_ptr; | | } t_fdpoll; | | socketreceiver_read(t_socketreceiver *x, int fd) in s_inter.c attempts to read data from sys_guisock. | | | | | | *Non-MacOSX unix platforms call: | |-sys_gui("pdtk_watchdog\n"), this calls the pdtk_watchdog procedure in pd.tk | | | |-sys_get_audio_apis(buf); | | | |-sys_vgui("pdtk_pd_startup {%s} %s\n", pd_version, buf): pdtk_pd_startup is in pd.tk. It calls pd | with the pd command and the argument init. | *The class pd has glob_initfromgui() as the handler for the init message. | | If sys_externalschedlib is zero (always(?) ...looks like a provision for an external scheduler is partly implemented), all versions call: |-sys_reopen_midi(): in s_midi.c opens midi by calling: | | | |-sys_open_midi() (again...) | |-sys_reopen_audio(): in s_audio.c opens audio by calling: | | | |-sys_open_audio() (again...) | |-m_scheduler(): in m_sched.c is the main loop, calls: | |-sys_clearhist(): in m_sched.c clears the real-time execution histogram. | |-sys_initmidiqueue(): in s_midi.c zeroes some timers. | , then goes into a loop until the int sys_quit has been set (although pd can exit() at other places | when signaled). | In the loop we have, mainly: | |-sys_send_dacs(): in s_audio.c uses platform-specific code to acquire a block of adc and send | a block of dac numbers | |-sys_getrealtime(): in s_inter.c returns the number of seconds since pd startup. | |-sys_pollmidiqueue(): in s_midi.c calls platform-dependent midi code for midi I/O. | |-sys_poll_gui(): in s_inter.c calls: | | | |-sys_domicrosleep(): in s_inter.c checks for received data on the gui socket sys_guisock (...or any functions added with sys_addpollfn()) | | | |-sys_poll_togui() which calls: | | | |-sys_flushtogui(): sends queued qui stuff through sys_guisock | | | |-sys_flushqueue(): updates the guiqueue and calls sys_flushtogui() | | | |-sys_reportidle(): in s_audio.c is empty(?). | |-sys_microsleep(): in s_inter.c calls: |-sys_domicrosleep() in s_inter.c checks for received data on the gui socket sys_guisock (...or any functions added with sys_addpollfn())
*** pd-gui / pdtcl.dll / pdtcl *** the graphical user interface ***
On all platforms, the gui is compiled from t_main.c and t_tkcmd.c.
Under unix, pd-gui is an executable program. It is started by a child thread of pd in sys_startgui() in s_inter.c.
Under Windows, pdtcl.dll is a shared library. It is loaded when the Wish shell processes the pd.tk script.
On MacOSX, pdtcl is the name of the library loaded in pd.tk.
main() in t_main.c calls:
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|-pdgui_setname(argv[0]): in t_tkcmd.c seems to set the global pdgui_path to the first part of the path to pd-gui.
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|-pdgui_setsock(argv[1]): in t_tkcmd.c with the port number. Sets pd_portno = 5400 and returns.
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|-pdgui_sethost(argv[2]): in t_tkcmd.c with the host name if one was given (probably never happens)
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|-Tk_Main(): in tk.lib is the main entry point of the tk library. Called with arguments "Pd" and "Tcl_AppInit", it starts the tk interpreter and calls
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|-Tcl_AppInit(): in t_main.c, with pointer to the interpreter.
| (Some of the following is from the Tcl/Tk documentation at http://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl8.4/)
| Tcl_AppInit is a "hook" procedure that is invoked by the main programs for Tcl applications such as tclsh and wish.
| Its purpose is to allow new Tcl applications to be created without modifying the main programs provided as part of
| Tcl and Tk. To create a new application you write a new version of Tcl_AppInit to replace the default version
| provided by Tcl, then link your new Tcl_AppInit with the Tcl library.
| TclAppInit calls
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|-Tcl_Init(interp): In libtcl. Tcl_Init is a helper procedure that finds and sources the init.tcl script, which should exist
| somewhere on the Tcl library path. On Macintosh systems, it additionally checks for an Init
| resource and sources the contents of that resource if init.tcl cannot be found.
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|-Tk_Init(interp): In libtk. Tk_Init is the package initialization procedure for Tk.
| It is normally invoked by the Tcl_AppInit procedure for an application or by the load command.
| Tk_Init adds all of Tk's commands to interp and creates a new Tk application, including its main window.
| If the initialization is successful Tk_Init returns TCL_OK; if there is an error it returns TCL_ERROR.
| Tk_Init also leaves a result or error message in interp->result.
| If there is a variable argv in interp, Tk_Init treats the contents of this variable as a list of
| options for the new Tk application. The options may have any of the forms documented for the wish
| application (in fact, wish uses Tk_Init to process its command-line arguments).
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|-pdgui_startup(interp): In t_tkcmd.c. Sets tk_pdinterp=interp. Calls:
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|-Tcl_CreateCommand(): In libtcl. Creates a command "pd" implemented by pdCmd()
| Windows versions also create a command "pd_pollsocket" implemented by pd_pollsocketCmd().
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|-pdgui_setupsocket(): in t_tkcmd.c Calls
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| |-pdgui_connecttosocket(): in t_tkcmd.c sets up a client socket
| | (AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, 0) on port 5400 and connects it. (Windows only or when pd_portno is defined)
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| |-pd_startfromgui(): in t_tkcmd.c when portno is not defined (usually).
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| | Sets up a client socket on the first available port starting at 5400 and connects it.
| | Unix versions call
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| |-Tk_CreateFileHandler(sockfd, TK_READABLE | TK_EXCEPTION, pd_readsocket, 0);
| Tk_CreateFileHandler() is Tcl_CreateFileHandler() and is only implemented on unix. Windows versions have to poll tk instead.
| Tcl_CreateFileHandler with TK_READABLE | TK_EXCEPTION arranges for pd_readsocket() to be invoked in the future whenever reading
| becomes possible on the 'file' sockfd or an exceptional condition exists for the file.
| The callback to pd_readsocket() is made by Tcl_DoOneEvent, so Tcl_CreateFileHandler is only useful in programs that dispatch
| events through Tcl_DoOneEvent or through Tcl commands such as vwait.
| pd_readsocket(): in t_tkcmd.c parses data received on the csocket and calls
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| |-tcl_mess(): in t_tkcmd.c calls
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| |-Tcl_Eval(): in libtcl, handles the data from pd as a tcl script.
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|-pdgui_evalfile("pd.tk"): (non-MacOSX unix only, the others use Wish to do this and so pd.tk is already being processed: that's how we got here)
| in t_tkcmd.c calls
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|-pdgui_doevalfile(): in t_tkcmd.c calls
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|-Tcl_EvalFile(): in libtcl which parses the pd.tk script.
*** pd.tk *** The Tcl/tk script pd.tk is a simple copy of u_main.tk.
Tcl/tk is Tool Command Language with the Tool Kit extension for graphical interfaces. (http://www.tcl.tk) The first line (#!/usr/bin/wish) invokes the wish shell. Wish is a simple program comprising the Tcl command language, the Tk toolkit, and a main program that reads commands from standard input or from a file. It makes a main window, then processes Tcl commands in the script until all windows have been deleted.
The next lines set the global variable pd_nt to 0, 1, or 2 depending on the platform (default=0, Windows=1, Darwin=2). The global variable pd_tearoff is set to 1.
On Windows, the next little block loads pdtcl.dll. It gets the path by taking the first argument to wish (the path to the script), clipping off the script name, replacing backslashes with forward slashes, appending "/bin/pdtcl.dll" to the path, and finally loading it. This will cause tcl to call Tcl_AppInit() in t_main.c and set up the tcl part of the pd application.
On MacOSX (Darwin) a similar procedure loads pdtcl with a similar result. Here we also set up a drag-and-drop handler.
On unix, the main pd-gui program is already running and has called Tcl_EvalFile() to parse this script.
Under Windows, the command pd_pollsocket is executed every 20 milliseconds. pd_pollsocketCmd() calls pd_readsocket(). At line 3079 of pd.tk we have: ############# start a polling process to watch the socket ############## # this is needed for nt, and presumably for Mac as well. # in UNIX this is handled by a tcl callback (set up in t_tkcmd.c)
if {$pd_nt == 1} { proc polleofloop {} { pd_pollsocket after 20 polleofloop }
polleofloop
} The value of pd_nt is 1 only on Windows machines. This declares a procedure named polleofloop and then calls it. polleofloop invokes the pd_pollsocket command that was defined in pdgui_startup() in t_tcmd.c, i.e. it calls pd_pollsocketCmd(), which in turn calls pd_readsocket(). The procedure then sleeps for 20 milliseconds and calls itself again.
The ################## set up main window ######################### part:
The menu command creates a new top-level window whose path is ".mbar" and makes it into a menu widget.
The canvas command creates a new window whose path is ".dummy" and makes it into a canvas widget. It is given a height of 2p (printer's points: 1/72")and a width of 6c (centimeters).
The frame command creates a new window whose path is ".controls" and makes it into a frame widget. A frame is a simple widget. It is used as a spacer or container for complex window layouts. A frame has a background color and an optional 3-D border to make the frame appear raised or sunken.
The pack command packs .controls and .dummy at the top of the window and stretches them to fit the width of the window.
Menus are added to the menu bar: file, find, windows, audio. The windows menu is setup with -postcommand [concat pdtk_fixwindowmenu], which has the effect of calling the proc pdtk_fixwindow menu before the menu is posted. pdtk_fixwindowmenu fills in the windows menu with a list of open windows.
Next the checkbuttons audiobutton and meterbutton are added to the .controls.switches frame and bound to the pd command as dsp and meters, resp. Buttons are added to .controls.inout to reflect the value of ctrls_inlevel and ctrls_outlevel. A button .controls.dio is connected to the pd command as audiostatus. They are all packed together.
A frame .printout with vertical scrollbar is then added and packed. A proc pdtk_post is declared to print text in this frame. pdtk_post is invoked from dopost() in s_print.c.
The control key and control-shift combination are bound to pdtk_pd_ctrlkey. On MacOSX the Mod1 key and Mod1-shift are bound to pdtk_canvas_ctrlkey.
The window is titled "pd". It's path/name is "." The menu bar is set to 200 wide by 150 high. The menus are populated with items and procs are defined to correspond to each item.
Usually, clicking on a menu item results in a message being sent to pd using the pd command.
Procedures in pd.tk can also be called from pd via sys_vgui() in s_inter.c. For instance, dopost() in s_print.c calls pdtk_post in pd.tk to print messages. sys_vgui() adds messages to a queue named sys_guibuf. This is sent via TCP through sys_guisock whenever sys_flushtogui() is called, which is only from sys_poll_togui(), which is only called by sys_pollgui(), which may be called from sched_tick() and m_scheduler() in m_sched.c. sched_tick() is only called from m_scheduler(), which is called from sys_main() in s_main.c as part of the main loop. The messages are received by pd_readsocket() which calls tcl_mess() with each complete command. tcl_mess() calls Tcl_Eval() in libtcl to evaluate the command.
proc pdtk_ping: To stop the pd-gui from choking on too much data arriving too fast, sys_flushqueue() calls pdtk_ping whenever more than GUI_BYTESPERPING (1024) bytes are sent in one go. Then sys_flushqueue() waits for pd-gui to send pd the 'ping' message, which is handled by glob_ping() in s_inter.c. glob_ping() simply resets the global variable sys_waitingforping, so that sys_flushqueue() can resume sending data.
proc pdtk_watchdog: proc pdtk_watchdog {} { pd [concat pd watchdog ;] after 2000 {pdtk_watchdog} } On non-MacOSX unix platforms this is called from sys_startgui(). Every two seconds it will call pd with the 'watchdog' message. This is handled by glob_watchdog() in s_inter.c. glob_watchdog() sends an ASCII carriage return through sys_watchfd.
*** pd-watchdog *** s_watchdog.c is the source of pd-watchdog, which was spawned in sys_startgui(). pd-watchdog monitors its stdin for any input, timing out after 5 seconds if nothing was received. In this case it kills pd with a SIGHUP, but normally it will continue looping as long as characters are received from pd at a rate of at least one every 5 seconds. So if pdtk_watchdog calls pd every 2 seconds and glob_watchdog() sends a CR each time through the pipe, everything runs smoothly.
Hi,
I have a patch that contains a subpatch ..... but that one subpatch is repeated multiple times. I dont want to externalise it onto the file system (messy, I just want 1 object), and I dont want to keep deleting / copying the outdated subpatches when I edit one of them.
Does PureData offer an option where all subpatches of the same name are always identical? (or something similar?).
Etienne
[perhaps irrelevant side note] CAD (vector drawing programs) have this concept ..... where you can externalise a "cell" or "block" to the file system, _or_ you can keep it within the file that you first made it in. That cell (even if contained within the file) can be repeated as many times as you want and when you edit one of them, they all change.
etienne deleflie wrote:
Hi,
hi. is it just me that gets annoyed that this email is part of the "separate GUI communication protocol" thread ?
Does PureData offer an option where all subpatches of the same name are always identical? (or something similar?).
no pd doesn't do something like that. abstractions need to be available as separate files to be reusable. however, i remember miller has mentioned that he plans to allow (reusable) abstractions inside the main-patch. however, this has been a year ago, and it seems to not have made any progress.
(but probably he has just forgotten it, so your mail might remind him and it could get implemented for 0.40 :-))
mfg.ads.r IOhannes
no pd doesn't do something like that. abstractions need to be available as separate files to be reusable. however, i remember miller has mentioned that he plans to allow (reusable) abstractions inside the main-patch. however, this has been a year ago, and it seems to not have made any progress.
(but probably he has just forgotten it, so your mail might remind him and it could get implemented for 0.40 :-))
(Miller? .... hello Miller?)
Personally, I would find this very useful ...(maybe I am alone)..
because often, one has to create external *.pd files which will only
ever get used inside the 1 main patch.... this means:
minor.. but it _has_ happened to me)
Etienne
i'd find it useful too.
but miller is a busy man i guess.
maybe if 10 more people resonded positively to the idea, we might get somewhere.
i'd find it useful too.
but miller is a busy man i guess.
maybe if 10 more people resonded positively to the idea, we might get somewhere.
maybe, if more people find it useful, one of them might have a look at the code and add that feature to devel ...
cheers ... tim