hi there everyone!
well, my question would be very simple this time. Is there anyone here make a living as a new media artist? If yes, how do you get money to financially funding your project while still gaining money for personal usage or eve for providing your family? or do you have another job?
Thank you for answering :)
i wouldn't rely on artistic works to have something to eat for me and family.
I find it rather difficult to be paid for personal work. i wish money would'nt interfere with creativity. the economic model of art is so different of industry.
i work as an editor for a (quite cheap) living but sometimes i find it interesting to be part of artistic things it makes my day more beautiful.
artistic projects needs much more personnal investment
imagine a kind of switch : (ARTIST ON / ARTIST OFF)
until glory and fame of course AHAHAHAHAH
2009/10/29 Adityo Pratomo quietdidit@gmail.com
hi there everyone!
well, my question would be very simple this time. Is there anyone here make a living as a new media artist? If yes, how do you get money to financially funding your project while still gaining money for personal usage or eve for providing your family? or do you have another job?
Thank you for answering :)
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The day job is a wonderful thing when you find a good one. I do a lot
of random technical freelancing and some sound design, plus I teach
workshops and university courses. That gives me lots flexible time to
work on what I want to.
Here's the last big project that was done from our own pockets for our
own satisfaction. It has nothing to do with pd, in fact we didn't
even use computers anywhere in the process:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTeevHnWmNQ
.hc
On Oct 29, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Py Fave wrote:
i wouldn't rely on artistic works to have something to eat for me
and family.I find it rather difficult to be paid for personal work. i wish money would'nt interfere with creativity. the economic model of art is so different of industry.
i work as an editor for a (quite cheap) living but sometimes i find
it interesting to be part of artistic things it makes my day more beautiful.artistic projects needs much more personnal investment
imagine a kind of switch : (ARTIST ON / ARTIST OFF)
until glory and fame of course AHAHAHAHAH
2009/10/29 Adityo Pratomo quietdidit@gmail.com hi there everyone!
well, my question would be very simple this time. Is there anyone
here make a living as a new media artist? If yes, how do you get
money to financially funding your project while still gaining money
for personal usage or eve for providing your family? or do you have
another job?Thank you for answering :)
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"Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free
software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls
you." - Richard M. Stallman
Hmm, I see. Looks like we have to have a day job right? Just curious, is there anyone have a day job in a field that has no relation with art? Like for example, I myself, I work as a network consultant. And then use my spare time to do some art stuff.
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 3:47 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
The day job is a wonderful thing when you find a good one. I do a lot of random technical freelancing and some sound design, plus I teach workshops and university courses. That gives me lots flexible time to work on what I want to.
Here's the last big project that was done from our own pockets for our own satisfaction. It has nothing to do with pd, in fact we didn't even use computers anywhere in the process:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTeevHnWmNQ
.hc
On Oct 29, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Py Fave wrote:
i wouldn't rely on artistic works to have something to eat for me and family.
I find it rather difficult to be paid for personal work. i wish money would'nt interfere with creativity. the economic model of art is so different of industry.
i work as an editor for a (quite cheap) living but sometimes i find it interesting to be part of artistic things it makes my day more beautiful.
artistic projects needs much more personnal investment
imagine a kind of switch : (ARTIST ON / ARTIST OFF)
until glory and fame of course AHAHAHAHAH
2009/10/29 Adityo Pratomo quietdidit@gmail.com
hi there everyone!
well, my question would be very simple this time. Is there anyone here make a living as a new media artist? If yes, how do you get money to financially funding your project while still gaining money for personal usage or eve for providing your family? or do you have another job?
Thank you for answering :)
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"Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you." - Richard M. Stallman
Hi,
I suggest you keep your day job maintaing networks. it's much more well
paid than art jobs, which means that you can work less and have more time
for you. plus, the frustration of not being involved in art gives you
energy to sit down and work on your things when you finally manage it. you
don't waste those artistic thoughts somewhere else, like producing a
concert or something.
Unless you've already good well-known in the field, and are able to get a
"regular" amount of paid comissions/projects done.
I make a living mainly as an engraver for scores (classical/modern/film
music). it's not very well paid, but I can maintain my lifestyle for the
time being (single guy sharing a flat with no family), and now and then
buy equipment. although in the future I'll have a lousy pension for sure.
João Pais
Hmm, I see. Looks like we have to have a day job right? Just curious, is there anyone have a day job in a field that has no relation with art?
Like for example, I myself, I work as a network consultant. And then use my
spare time to do some art stuff.
THIS IS GREAT!
On 29 oct. 09, at 21:47, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Here's the last big project that was done from our own pockets for
our own satisfaction. It has nothing to do with pd, in fact we
didn't even use computers anywhere in the process:
10 years ago I made the decision to be "professional" and live off my art. But to do that, one has to treat their art as a business. That means:
1/3 of your time is spent traveling to exhibitions, performances, workshops, classes, festivals, symposiums and any other place where you get to show your stuff or do your thing...
...and 1/3 of your time is spent doing networking, promotion, organization, documentation, administration, applications, bookkeeping and all the other boring shit that happens when you sit down behind a computer (unless you are successful enough to afford an agent who can do it all for you)...
...leaving 1/3 of your time for the rest of your life.
If you don't have a family or a social life, you might actually be able to make art with that time. Or you could try giving up sleeping. In the end, you have to decide whether having a day job would give you more or less creative time and mental space, and then take it from there.
Best, Derek
Short term results = fantastic! Long term results = detrimental to one's health...
Just ask Jack Kerouac.
Jaime Oliver wrote:
make art with that time. Or you could try giving up sleeping. In the end,
the sleeping thing... doesn't work.
hahaha, gotta agree with this. I couldn't even stand sleeping for 4 hours a day for a week. because on the next week, i'll be sleeping 10 hours a day, hahaha...
anyway, thank you for sharing your stories everybody :)
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Derek Holzer derek@umatic.nl wrote:
Short term results = fantastic! Long term results = detrimental to one's health...
Just ask Jack Kerouac.
Jaime Oliver wrote:
make art with that time. Or you could try giving up sleeping. In the end,
the sleeping thing... doesn't work.
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The question reminds me of : Letters to a Young Artist, a collection of essays modeled after Goethe's letter (another good read). It has some insights from people like Adrian Piper, William Pole L. and the Guerilla Girls. The variables are alike between the artistic discipline (time, revenues, integrity) but there are a couple of important variations for media art. Nearly 80% of all art purchases are paintings so making a living may mean teaching or finding other employement within the field. Another important distinction is gender. The media arts field, especially the more technical aspects of it, is dominated by males. It can lead to a culture shock sometimes but I don't know whether gender has a positive or negative effect on gaining most of your revenues in the field. Where you find your training is also a determinant and the answer to the question of survival as a media artist will depend on where you want to be based. Support for culture, public or private, varies so much from one state to another. Be mindful of the tools, PD is one of the tools that will shape your practice the least. I like Natalie Jeremijenko's take on technology (not her exact words) : "artist's are good at making dumb things out of expensive technology and making smart things out of obsolete tech".
My advice would be to just work. Don't spend too much time networking and worrying about a career, if the work is not there, nothing will happen. Devote all your energies to it and if the sleep deprivation (and bills) catch up to you and the motivation isn't there any longer, then you can take all that you will have learned and find another path. It should be easier than surviving as a media artist. I don't want to sound dire, I feel priviledged to be able to keep making art and it's amazing to be able to teach it. What I mean to say is that if you need to be an artist then you will find a way to support your practice.
http://www.artonpaper.com/LTYA/
Good luck,
Alexandre
Adityo Pratomo a écrit :
hahaha, gotta agree with this. I couldn't even stand sleeping for 4 hours a day for a week. because on the next week, i'll be sleeping 10 hours a day, hahaha...
anyway, thank you for sharing your stories everybody :)
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Derek Holzer derek@umatic.nl wrote:
Short term results = fantastic! Long term results = detrimental to one's health...
Just ask Jack Kerouac.
Jaime Oliver wrote:
make art with that time. Or you could try giving up sleeping. In the end,
the sleeping thing... doesn't work.
-- ::: derek holzer ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ::: http://www.vimeo.com/macumbista ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 140: "Reverse"
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