the illustration could be other. it should be designed separately. but before to find more successful image i'd like to find out whether we need it and how we can use it in pd interface.
My main idea is to find how pd can look more presentably in whole, not only in icons.
Framestein logo I have recollected, because it appears in main window when framestein is loaded.
best regards, andrey
----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Colvin" colvin@dvida.net To: "'Andrey Savitsky'" a.savitsky@hhtp.org; "'!!!PD-list'" pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 3:03 PM Subject: RE: [PD] logo or icon?? or design?
I like this.
The tangle of cables cracked me up, because I've seen it in my own and many friends rooms. I like the 3d line art best though, because the cables look a little too much like Max/MSP's splash screen.
Nicholas
While the images look nice, I think that there shouldn't be too many
things to make Pd 'pretty'. To me usability is more important than
presentability. I think the best way to make Pd usable/presentable as
a whole is to make it behave as much like a native app as possible.
Tcl makes this possible. I have started working on replacing the 'This
window has been modified. Close Anyway?" dialog with one that is just
like that standard panel with "Save, Don't Save, Cancel" for MacOS X
and "Yes, No, Cancel" (IIRC) for Windows.
.hc
On Friday, Oct 24, 2003, at 10:39 America/New_York, Andrey Savitsky
wrote:
the illustration could be other. it should be designed separately. but before to find more successful image i'd like to find out whether
we need it and how we can use it in pd interface.My main idea is to find how pd can look more presentably in whole, not
only in icons.Framestein logo I have recollected, because it appears in main window
when framestein is loaded.best regards, andrey
----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Colvin" colvin@dvida.net To: "'Andrey Savitsky'" a.savitsky@hhtp.org; "'!!!PD-list'" pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 3:03 PM Subject: RE: [PD] logo or icon?? or design?
I like this.
The tangle of cables cracked me up, because I've seen it in my own
and many friends rooms. I like the 3d line art best though, because the cables look a little too much like Max/MSP's splash screen.Nicholas
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
While the images look nice, I think that there shouldn't be too many things to make Pd 'pretty'. To me usability is more important than presentability.
Well, a good part of presentability is about usability. I'll tell you one pretty annoying thing in PD. This is from my personal list of reasons not to use PD for real work:
- PD isn't made for long constructors and long comments, as it truncates comments containing newlines (YUCK), and prevents objectboxes from containing any, _and_ doesn't allow to set the max width of a box.
I don't know whether this has been fixed recently, but I retried only a few weeks ago.
In that list I forgot to mention messageboxes, which have their own set of weird quirks wrt box size; it is quite a contrast, as it actually appears like it's trying to do something about screen width. It's just that it horribly fails at it.
It'd be nice if the feature I'm talking about would be supported by the same unified code. After all, edition of an objectbox, a messagebox, and a comment, are essentially the same, and I don't see any need to split that functionality threefold.
I may eventually devote some time to attempting to do something about it, but I don't really know my way around the PD source code, and my previous attempts at getting what I want (eg, fixing the backspace bug, back then) failed horribly, and then jMax-2.5 is still my main platform.
Mathieu Bouchard http://artengine.ca/matju
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