hi,
in pd-extended 0.40-3 (win xp), when i send a [blob( message to a subpatch with an inlet, i get a error message :
error : Bad arguments for message 'blob' to object 'messresponder'
i tried with pd vanilia 0.39-2, 0.40-1, pd ext. 0.39-2, everything is ok.
[blob( | [pd-subpatch]
Jean-Yves
"blob" is a keyword for Martin Peach's string additions that are
included in Pd-extended.
.hc
On Jan 27, 2009, at 4:44 AM, Jean-Yves Gratius wrote:
hi,
in pd-extended 0.40-3 (win xp), when i send a [blob( message to a subpatch with an inlet, i get a error message :
error : Bad arguments for message 'blob' to object 'messresponder'
i tried with pd vanilia 0.39-2, 0.40-1, pd ext. 0.39-2, everything
is ok.[blob( | [pd-subpatch]
Jean-Yves
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strange behaviour, isn't it ? when I send [float( or [list( or [symbol( or even <gempointer> to a trigger [t a], everything is ok, when I send [blob( to this trigger, i get an error message. Any other reserved keywords ?
JYG.
Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
"blob" is a keyword for Martin Peach's string additions that are included in Pd-extended.
.hc
On Jan 27, 2009, at 4:44 AM, Jean-Yves Gratius wrote:
hi,
in pd-extended 0.40-3 (win xp), when i send a [blob( message to a subpatch with an inlet, i get a error message :
error : Bad arguments for message 'blob' to object 'messresponder'
i tried with pd vanilia 0.39-2, 0.40-1, pd ext. 0.39-2, everything is ok.
[blob( | [pd-subpatch]
Jean-Yves
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Yes, indeed this is strange behavior. The string/blob stuff is in
need of an update, but its not very clear how to handle it. So
examples like this are useful for outlining the problems.
.hc
On Jan 27, 2009, at 5:51 PM, Jean-Yves Gratius wrote:
strange behaviour, isn't it ? when I send [float( or [list( or [symbol( or even <gempointer> to a trigger [t a], everything is ok, when I send [blob( to this trigger, i get an error message. Any other reserved keywords ?
JYG.
Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
"blob" is a keyword for Martin Peach's string additions that are included in Pd-extended.
.hc
On Jan 27, 2009, at 4:44 AM, Jean-Yves Gratius wrote:
hi,
in pd-extended 0.40-3 (win xp), when i send a [blob( message to a subpatch with an inlet, i get a error message :
error : Bad arguments for message 'blob' to object 'messresponder'
i tried with pd vanilia 0.39-2, 0.40-1, pd ext. 0.39-2, everything
is ok.[blob( | [pd-subpatch]
Jean-Yves
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I'm thinking that if Pd would just handle its own t_int type (as MaxMSP does) then the blob stuff would be unnecessary.
Martin
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Yes, indeed this is strange behavior. The string/blob stuff is in
need of an update, but its not very clear how to handle it. So
examples like this are useful for outlining the problems..hc
On Jan 27, 2009, at 5:51 PM, Jean-Yves Gratius wrote:
strange behaviour, isn't it ? when I send [float( or [list( or [symbol( or even <gempointer> to a trigger [t a], everything is ok, when I send [blob( to this trigger, i get an error message. Any other reserved keywords ?
JYG.
Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
"blob" is a keyword for Martin Peach's string additions that are included in Pd-extended.
.hc
On Jan 27, 2009, at 4:44 AM, Jean-Yves Gratius wrote:
hi,
in pd-extended 0.40-3 (win xp), when i send a [blob( message to a subpatch with an inlet, i get a error message :
error : Bad arguments for message 'blob' to object 'messresponder'
i tried with pd vanilia 0.39-2, 0.40-1, pd ext. 0.39-2, everything
is ok.[blob( | [pd-subpatch]
Jean-Yves
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I don't quite follow, can you expand on that? Do you mean that Pd
would have to include ints? Or that the C code should use t_int
rather than int?
.hc
On Jan 28, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Martin Peach wrote:
I'm thinking that if Pd would just handle its own t_int type (as
MaxMSP does) then the blob stuff would be unnecessary.Martin
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Yes, indeed this is strange behavior. The string/blob stuff is in need of an update, but its not very clear how to handle it. So examples like this are useful for outlining the problems.
.hc
On Jan 27, 2009, at 5:51 PM, Jean-Yves Gratius wrote:
strange behaviour, isn't it ? when I send [float( or [list( or [symbol( or even <gempointer> to a trigger [t a], everything is ok, when I send [blob( to this
trigger, i get an error message. Any other reserved keywords ?JYG.
Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
"blob" is a keyword for Martin Peach's string additions that are included in Pd-extended.
.hc
On Jan 27, 2009, at 4:44 AM, Jean-Yves Gratius wrote:
hi,
in pd-extended 0.40-3 (win xp), when i send a [blob( message to a subpatch with an inlet, i get a error message :
error : Bad arguments for message 'blob' to object
'messresponder'i tried with pd vanilia 0.39-2, 0.40-1, pd ext. 0.39-2, everything is ok.
[blob( | [pd-subpatch]
Jean-Yves
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Pd already has a t_int type declared in m_pd.h, the comments imply that it must be the same size as a pointer:
/* signed and unsigned integer types the size of a pointer: */ #if !defined(PD_LONGINTTYPE) #define PD_LONGINTTYPE long #endif #if !defined(PD_FLOATTYPE) #define PD_FLOATTYPE float #endif typedef PD_LONGINTTYPE t_int; /* pointer-size integer */ typedef PD_FLOATTYPE t_float; /* a float type at most the same size */ typedef PD_FLOATTYPE t_floatarg; /* float type for function calls */
So if Pd could handle int types just as it now handles float types, then you could pass pointers around (as well as unicode characters etc.). The blob code defines a type that consists of a pointer and a length, but that could be done further down the chain outside of core Pd if Pd could pass just the pointer around. The t_int type is used internally but there is no integer atom.
Martin
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org To: Martin Peach martin.peach@sympatico.ca CC: pd-list pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] PD-extended 0.40-3 : error when sending "blob" message to inlet Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:44:43 -0500
I don't quite follow, can you expand on that? Do you mean that Pd would have to include ints? Or that the C code should use t_int rather than int?
.hc
On Jan 28, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Martin Peach wrote:
I'm thinking that if Pd would just handle its own t_int type (as MaxMSP does) then the blob stuff would be unnecessary.
Martin
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Yes, indeed this is strange behavior. The string/blob stuff is in need of an update, but its not very clear how to handle it. So examples like this are useful for outlining the problems.
.hc
On Jan 27, 2009, at 5:51 PM, Jean-Yves Gratius wrote:
strange behaviour, isn't it ? when I send [float( or [list( or [symbol( or even <gempointer> to a trigger [t a], everything is ok, when I send [blob( to this trigger, i get an error message. Any other reserved keywords ?
JYG.
Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
"blob" is a keyword for Martin Peach's string additions that are included in Pd-extended.
.hc
On Jan 27, 2009, at 4:44 AM, Jean-Yves Gratius wrote:
hi,
in pd-extended 0.40-3 (win xp), when i send a [blob( message to a subpatch with an inlet, i get a error message :
error : Bad arguments for message 'blob' to object 'messresponder'
i tried with pd vanilia 0.39-2, 0.40-1, pd ext. 0.39-2, everything is ok.
[blob( | [pd-subpatch]
Jean-Yves
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Hmm, I don't think it would be so great for to have floats and ints in
Pd for most uses. This has probably been discussed before, but is
there any chance of generalizing the pointer type? Or perhaps there
should be just a generic pointer type, that's what I think IOhannes
was proposing.
.hc
On Jan 28, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Martin Peach wrote:
Pd already has a t_int type declared in m_pd.h, the comments imply
that it must be the same size as a pointer:/* signed and unsigned integer types the size of a pointer: */ #if !defined(PD_LONGINTTYPE) #define PD_LONGINTTYPE long #endif #if !defined(PD_FLOATTYPE) #define PD_FLOATTYPE float #endif typedef PD_LONGINTTYPE t_int; /* pointer-size integer */ typedef PD_FLOATTYPE t_float; /* a float type at most the same
size */ typedef PD_FLOATTYPE t_floatarg; /* float type for function calls
*/So if Pd could handle int types just as it now handles float types,
then you could pass pointers around (as well as unicode characters
etc.). The blob code defines a type that consists of a pointer and a
length, but that could be done further down the chain outside of
core Pd if Pd could pass just the pointer around. The t_int type is used internally but there is no integer atom.Martin
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org To: Martin Peach martin.peach@sympatico.ca CC: pd-list pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] PD-extended 0.40-3 : error when sending "blob"
message to inlet Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:44:43 -0500I don't quite follow, can you expand on that? Do you mean that Pd
would have to include ints? Or that the C code should use t_int
rather than int?.hc
On Jan 28, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Martin Peach wrote:
I'm thinking that if Pd would just handle its own t_int type (as
MaxMSP does) then the blob stuff would be unnecessary.Martin
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Yes, indeed this is strange behavior. The string/blob stuff is in need of an update, but its not very clear how to handle it. So examples like this are useful for outlining the problems.
.hc
On Jan 27, 2009, at 5:51 PM, Jean-Yves Gratius wrote:
strange behaviour, isn't it ? when I send [float( or [list( or [symbol( or even <gempointer>
to a trigger [t a], everything is ok, when I send [blob( to this
trigger, i get an error message. Any other reserved keywords ?JYG.
Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
"blob" is a keyword for Martin Peach's string additions that are included in Pd-extended.
.hc
On Jan 27, 2009, at 4:44 AM, Jean-Yves Gratius wrote:
> hi, > > in pd-extended 0.40-3 (win xp), when i send a [blob( message
> to a > subpatch with an inlet, i get a error message : > > error : Bad arguments for message 'blob' to object
> 'messresponder' > > i tried with pd vanilia 0.39-2, 0.40-1, pd ext. 0.39-2,
> everything > is > ok. > > [blob( > | > [pd-subpatch] > > Jean-Yves > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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William Odom
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for machines to execute.
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Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Hmm, I don't think it would be so great for to have floats and ints in Pd for most uses. This has probably been discussed before, but is there any chance of generalizing the pointer type? Or perhaps there should be just a generic pointer type, that's what I think IOhannes was proposing.
Well the int can easily be converted to a float as already happens when you type one into a number box. There would be a default int handler for inlets that don't explicitly have one, which would just make it into a float and keep going.
The blob is a generic pointer type. It's just a pointer and the length of whatever it points at.
The 'pointer' that's used in graphical arrays is just not usable I think, in fact it's misnamed.
Martin
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