Hello all, I have been following the development of [declare], but sadly every time I have tried to use it, it doesn't appear to work as the help file says it should.
I have tried it several different ways:
- [declare -stdpath extra/zexy]
- [prime] <-- from zexy
the [prime] object doesn't get created...
version 2:
- [declare -stdpath zexy]
- [prime]
still no joy...
I also tried the same thing, only using -stdlib, but that doesn't seem to load anything either.
Next I tried to do something relative to a project folder in my home directory. Inside there, I created a subfolder named 'more' (as in the help file), and in that I have a file 'abstract.pd'. I made a patch in the root of the project, and used this
- [declare -path more]
- [abstract]
the [abstract] object doesn't get created.
I am running Mac OS 10.4.11, running on PPC hardware. I used the latest version of PD Extended (the 0.40.3-extended-20080603). I also tried these same things with Vanilla PD 41.4, and got the same results.
Is there some test patch out there that I could use to test these things?
Thanks,
Mike
Oh, I was also wondering if there could be some sort of 'feedback' from [declare] that tells us what the path is? Maybe there could be an inlet on [declare] that when it receives a bang, it outlets what paths are currently loaded for searching. Mike
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Mike McGonagle mjmogo@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all, I have been following the development of [declare], but sadly every time I have tried to use it, it doesn't appear to work as the help file says it should.
I have tried it several different ways:
- [declare -stdpath extra/zexy]
- [prime] <-- from zexy
the [prime] object doesn't get created...
version 2:
- [declare -stdpath zexy]
- [prime]
still no joy...
I also tried the same thing, only using -stdlib, but that doesn't seem to load anything either.
Next I tried to do something relative to a project folder in my home directory. Inside there, I created a subfolder named 'more' (as in the help file), and in that I have a file 'abstract.pd'. I made a patch in the root of the project, and used this
- [declare -path more]
- [abstract]
the [abstract] object doesn't get created.
I am running Mac OS 10.4.11, running on PPC hardware. I used the latest version of PD Extended (the 0.40.3-extended-20080603). I also tried these same things with Vanilla PD 41.4, and got the same results.
Is there some test patch out there that I could use to test these things?
Thanks,
Mike
-- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician
I added querying to [import] and it now uses the same mechanism as
[declare].
[declare -stdpath zexy] only works on Mac OS X, you need to do it
like this on Windows and GNU/Linux:
[declare -stdpath ../extra/zexy]
I am proposing to change this behavior, I think it should start in / path/to/pd/extra.
.hc
On Jun 7, 2008, at 6:20 AM, Mike McGonagle wrote:
Oh, I was also wondering if there could be some sort of 'feedback'
from [declare] that tells us what the path is? Maybe there could be
an inlet on [declare] that when it receives a bang, it outlets what
paths are currently loaded for searching.Mike
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Mike McGonagle mjmogo@gmail.com
wrote: Hello all,I have been following the development of [declare], but sadly every
time I have tried to use it, it doesn't appear to work as the help
file says it should.I have tried it several different ways:
- [declare -stdpath extra/zexy]
- [prime] <-- from zexy
the [prime] object doesn't get created...
version 2:
- [declare -stdpath zexy]
- [prime]
still no joy...
I also tried the same thing, only using -stdlib, but that doesn't
seem to load anything either.Next I tried to do something relative to a project folder in my
home directory. Inside there, I created a subfolder named
'more' (as in the help file), and in that I have a file
'abstract.pd'. I made a patch in the root of the project, and used
this
- [declare -path more]
- [abstract]
the [abstract] object doesn't get created.
I am running Mac OS 10.4.11, running on PPC hardware. I used the
latest version of PD Extended (the 0.40.3-extended-20080603). I
also tried these same things with Vanilla PD 41.4, and got the same
results.Is there some test patch out there that I could use to test these
things?Thanks,
Mike
-- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires
everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream,
every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician-- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires
everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream,
every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list
If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of
exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an
idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps
it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into
the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess
himself of it. - Thomas Jefferson
Hans (or anyone),
Is there some patch that is in some release that shows how declare actually works? I can't seem to give it any path that will then be searched for stuff.
I know that Miller has said that he uses this all the time, and it works for him. I just can't quite figure out what I am doing wrong, if anything at all...
Mike
On 6/7/08, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
I added querying to [import] and it now uses the same mechanism as [declare].
[declare -stdpath zexy] only works on Mac OS X, you need to do it like this on Windows and GNU/Linux:
[declare -stdpath ../extra/zexy]
I am proposing to change this behavior, I think it should start in /path/to/pd/extra.
.hc
On Jun 7, 2008, at 6:20 AM, Mike McGonagle wrote:
Oh, I was also wondering if there could be some sort of 'feedback' from [declare] that tells us what the path is? Maybe there could be an inlet on [declare] that when it receives a bang, it outlets what paths are currently loaded for searching.
Mike
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Mike McGonagle mjmogo@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all,
I have been following the development of [declare], but sadly every time I
have tried to use it, it doesn't appear to work as the help file says it should.
I have tried it several different ways:
- [declare -stdpath extra/zexy]
- [prime] <-- from zexy
the [prime] object doesn't get created...
version 2:
- [declare -stdpath zexy]
- [prime]
still no joy...
I also tried the same thing, only using -stdlib, but that doesn't seem to
load anything either.
Next I tried to do something relative to a project folder in my home
directory. Inside there, I created a subfolder named 'more' (as in the help file), and in that I have a file 'abstract.pd'. I made a patch in the root of the project, and used this
- [declare -path more]
- [abstract]
the [abstract] object doesn't get created.
I am running Mac OS 10.4.11, running on PPC hardware. I used the latest
version of PD Extended (the 0.40.3-extended-20080603). I also tried these same things with Vanilla PD 41.4, and got the same results.
Is there some test patch out there that I could use to test these things?
Thanks,
Mike
-- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we
have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal.
—Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician
-- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. - Thomas Jefferson
Alright, I downloaded the 'pdrp' stuff, and opened up a patch that has [declare] in it, and it appears to be working, as the full patch loads, and nothing is broken...
Guess I just need to figure this out why I can't seem to make it work with my stuff...
Thanks,
Mike
On 6/9/08, Mike McGonagle mjmogo@gmail.com wrote:
Hans (or anyone),
Is there some patch that is in some release that shows how declare actually works? I can't seem to give it any path that will then be searched for stuff.
I know that Miller has said that he uses this all the time, and it works for him. I just can't quite figure out what I am doing wrong, if anything at all...
Mike
On 6/7/08, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
I added querying to [import] and it now uses the same mechanism as [declare].
[declare -stdpath zexy] only works on Mac OS X, you need to do it like this on Windows and GNU/Linux:
[declare -stdpath ../extra/zexy]
I am proposing to change this behavior, I think it should start in /path/to/pd/extra.
.hc
On Jun 7, 2008, at 6:20 AM, Mike McGonagle wrote:
Oh, I was also wondering if there could be some sort of 'feedback' from [declare] that tells us what the path is? Maybe there could be an inlet on [declare] that when it receives a bang, it outlets what paths are currently loaded for searching.
Mike
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Mike McGonagle mjmogo@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all,
I have been following the development of [declare], but sadly every time I
have tried to use it, it doesn't appear to work as the help file says it should.
I have tried it several different ways:
- [declare -stdpath extra/zexy]
- [prime] <-- from zexy
the [prime] object doesn't get created...
version 2:
- [declare -stdpath zexy]
- [prime]
still no joy...
I also tried the same thing, only using -stdlib, but that doesn't seem to
load anything either.
Next I tried to do something relative to a project folder in my home
directory. Inside there, I created a subfolder named 'more' (as in the help file), and in that I have a file 'abstract.pd'. I made a patch in the root of the project, and used this
- [declare -path more]
- [abstract]
the [abstract] object doesn't get created.
I am running Mac OS 10.4.11, running on PPC hardware. I used the latest
version of PD Extended (the 0.40.3-extended-20080603). I also tried these same things with Vanilla PD 41.4, and got the same results.
Is there some test patch out there that I could use to test these things?
Thanks,
Mike
-- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we
have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal.
—Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician
-- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. - Thomas Jefferson
-- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician
On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 23:15 -0500, Mike McGonagle wrote:
Hello all,
I have been following the development of [declare], but sadly every time I have tried to use it, it doesn't appear to work as the help file says it should.
sorry, in case this obvious for you, but have you tried to save the patch and reopen it? [declare] shows only effect on patch load, afaik.
however, i several times fooled myself when testing [declare] (forgot to remove .pdrc or i had a symlink from home to extra) and sometimes it was really not working. this led me to think, that it might be useful to have a test setup for testing [declare]. i am thinking of something as as test directory/file layout and a test patch that shows how these files can be made visible to the patch using declare. additionally it would be helpful to have the according verbose output in order to make sure, that the pathes haven't been added by .pdrc (or whatsoever). i would be glad to elaborate such a test environment for [declare], but at this point it is not even clear, how [declare] is supposed to behave in certain cases (e.g. when used in abstractions).
afaik, hans already provided some patches to fix those [declare] issues. however, i don't know since which version of pd-extended those patches are included. you might check the changelog to see whether [declare] is supposed to work correctly in your version. afaik, at this point it is also not clear, whether those patches will get accepted, so there might be more trouble to come. let's hope for the best.
roman
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