Its a great little app, I am already a fan and used it in the designing
of the PDDP template sketches. I am glad you are putting some time into
it.

thanks. I'll try to get the other ones finished as soon as possible.

...

• name is shorter, $-ed (cnv-ed)

I gotta say, the two extra characters, i and t, really make it much more
clear what the object does.

that's true. but with use (and I didn't used it that much, only a few
days) they become redundant. and since this is to increase speed, I guess
in the 3rd day of using these objects it will be clear. (like f, t, s and
r)

How about [gui-edit]?

the project is to make one for each gui (which will happen fast, since the
model seems to be accepted): hsl-ed, nbx-ed, ...-ed. Funny, "Gui-edit" is
the general description I put in the Instructions. But for the individual
objects it is better so.

hradio, vradio, hslider, vslider, bang, and toggle all have internal
sends. Probably some others too.

all have, but what's important here is the function of the send. so far I
saw cnv is the only one which can use the send to edit purposes, that is,
to give the coordinates where it is. All the others use the send to output
their result.

I starting an "all about GUIs" patch, right now its mostly just a
catalog of existing objects. Later descriptions and examples will be
added. Feel free to contribute, its in CVS under doc/pddp/about

I am going to leave all these objects in my iem-wiki page,
https://puredata.info/Members/jmmmp/ . I never went to cvs (installed all
my things alone), must check that out.

By the way maybe one suggestion for the help patches (I use pddb): I find
it better to write $ext-help.pd than help-$ext.pd. It makes the seach on
the shell easier. I guess you might have a good reason to put it like it
is now, but since the files are on a separate folder, I don't see how it
would make a big difference to change it as Miller had it in the first
place.

Joao

In continuation of other recent threads, I really think that saving a
few characters is not worth it. Pd becomes much more usable, and
patches are much easier to understand if whole words are used. Then you
need only understand English rather than Pd-english on top of that.

Ok, considering your point below: when one file is used for all guiobjs
then it makes more sense for it to be "general".

They are all so similar, I think in the long run it might be better to
try to make a unified editor with a selector for specific GUI objects.
Then there is only one patch to maintain, and improvements on one
automatically get inherited by others.

[cnv-edit] worked 'out-of-box' for me on sliders and such, but some of
the mappings were different. What about a unified patch that has a
selector for specific objects that need different mappings?

that might be a better idea, the differences aren't that big. I guess it
won't remain as direct as one abs for each guiobj, but it will make things
simpler. Ok, I'll keep doing it that way.

I can check in your patches to CVS if you don't want to do it, but its
better if you maintain your code there.

No, don't worry. I only meant that I should familiarize myself with the
process.

blahblah-help.pd is the standard reference filename format. There are
still quite a few patches using the old format, but I am rallying to get
people to change that. The Pd-extended installers have all patches
converted to blahblah-help.pd as part of the build process.

ok. I didn't knew why, I had the idea that it was the other way.

joao