Hey,
Sorry, just want to praise Jitter a bit. Tried the demo today. Great stuff! Everyone who haven't tried it yet, go to www.cycling74.com and download it. Try it. Then hand over that rectangular piece of plastic you keep in your pocket.
Great list. Thanks for a lot of good info!
PS. Jitter is the video add-on-part of MaxMSP.
Yours cincerely,
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Today's Topics:
- Re: Pd minimum requirements (Emmanuel Rio)
- Re: pure-data.org downloads (L Hyland)
- Re: Re: Some VASP questions (Thomas Grill)
- vasp, segfault (CK)
- Re: vasp, segfault (Thomas Grill)
- Re: vasp, segfault (CK)
- Re: vasp, segfault (Thomas Grill)
- Re: vasp, segfault (Thomas Grill)
- sending notes OSC (Adrian deCleir)
- Re: Question (IOhannes zmoelnig)
- Re: sending notes OSC (CK)
- RE: sending notes OSC (Adrian deCleir)
- RE: sending notes OSC (Adrian deCleir)
- Re: sending notes OSC (CK)
- processing text (Martin Dupras)
- Re: processing text (IOhannes zmoelnig)
- Re: processing text (IOhannes zmoelnig)
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:03:13 +0100 From: Emmanuel Rio emmanuel.rio@m4x.org To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Pd minimum requirements
Hi,
I managed to run PD (version 0.36-0) on a Toshiba Satellite 100CS,=20 which is a laptop PC. Main specs :
- Pentium I (75 Mhz)
- 810 MB Hard Disk
- 8 MB RAM
- Windows 95 Since it doesn't have any multimedia card, I could only test
control=20 stuff (actually, a metro and a bang). With a PCMCIA ethernet card I=20 have, I could also test a netsend/netreceive connection with my current=20 laptop (which has audio/midi capabilies). It works. I see two=20 configurations for which it could be usefull :
- for people who want to learn basics of control/programming approach
in = PD.
- for a remote/shared control (via the network) of a "normal"
multimedia = PD.
Just my 2 euro cents,
Emmanuel --=20 Emmanuel Rio - 6, rue Cr=E9mieux, 75012 Paris t=E9l=E9phone:01.44.73.96.32 mailto:emmanuel.rio@m4x.org http://emmanuel.rio.free.fr/
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Message: 2 From: "L Hyland" hylandl@forwind.net To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:54:19 +0100 Subject: [PD] Re: pure-data.org downloads
I think it should be good practice everywhere users upload something, to try to download it once afterwards. Then the user would've seen that something must have gone wrong.
here, here... I have just had this problem with the syncgrain~ external I was whinging about all last week. The ~ was missing in the .dll file I downloaded (from www.audionerd.com) and therefore wasn't working. I know this is undoubtedly very obvious to more seasoned pders but for someone still cluelessly weaning themselves off commercial software it's not; even if it were, mucking about with files that one assumes to be 'in order' is normally not advisable as the chances of wreaking even more havoc are high... The 'download once test' would save a lot of hair-tearing and would probably also result in less people like myself clogging up the mailing list with irratating questions!
L
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Message: 3 From: "Thomas Grill" t.grill@gmx.net To: "Larry Troxler" lt@westnet.com, "PD List" pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Subject: Re: [PD] Re: Some VASP questions Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:51:51 +0100
Not really. Do you get those messages from my attached patch or from another one?
From the attached patch. However, it does not happen all the time, and so
far
I haven't found a sequence that reliably reproduces the problem.
First question, which would pre-empt the rest of this message: are there
any
bug fixes between 0.36-devel and 0.37 that I'm missing that could relate
to
this?
There have been some changes in the threading model that could have an influence. To see if the threading is buggy you could try to remove all the detach flags (maybe it's best to do that in the patcher text file) and try again.
Next, I haven't looked at the source yet to see what generates this
message.
You will have hard times to debug the VASP source if you're not familiar with it
The only corelation I suspect (and I could be easily be wrong about this,
it's
just a vague suspicion), is that this is somehow an indirect artifact of
the
current TK bug (where you get a message about "bad screen distances", sometimes followed by "illegal command name", when loading a patch or
moving
a graph). However I can't imagine what the connection might be, and I
suspect
it could be just a coincidence.
I don't think it's related to that - it looks like a genuine VASP bug.
best greetings, Thomas
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Message: 4 From: CK x@meta.lo-res.org To: pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:59:11 +0100 (CET) Subject: [PD] vasp, segfault
hi thomas and the rest,
I've just revisited vasp but I run into lots of trouble, flext and vasp cvs update today morning didn't help much whatever example I try I get several
convolve 1 0 27 0 (vasp.frames?->text) connection failed convolve 5 0 20 0 (text->vasp.radio) connection failed convolve 22 0 26 0 (text->text) connection failed convolve 24 0 22 0 (canvas->text) connection failed convolve 25 0 22 1 (canvas->text) connection failed
. .
and similar messages, whatever I try out immediately segfaults that is debian-ppc unstable on a g4
any hints ?
x
-- chris@lo-res.org Postmodernism is german romanticism with better http://pilot.fm/ special effects. (Jeff Keuss / via ctheory.com)
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Message: 5 From: "Thomas Grill" t.grill@gmx.net To: "CK" x@meta.lo-res.org, pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Subject: Re: [PD] vasp, segfault Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:31:23 +0100
Hi Chris, does this mean that you can't create any vasp object? ( i assume the vasp library does load normally)
The combination of linux and PPC is completely untested, but _should_ nevertheless work. I'll see what could go wrong but i'm not sure if i have a solution shortly.
greetings, T
----- Original Message ----- From: "CK" x@meta.lo-res.org To: pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:59 AM Subject: [PD] vasp, segfault
hi thomas and the rest,
I've just revisited vasp but I run into lots of trouble, flext and vasp cvs update today morning didn't help much whatever example I try I get several
convolve 1 0 27 0 (vasp.frames?->text) connection failed convolve 5 0 20 0 (text->vasp.radio) connection failed convolve 22 0 26 0 (text->text) connection failed convolve 24 0 22 0 (canvas->text) connection failed convolve 25 0 22 1 (canvas->text) connection failed
. .
and similar messages, whatever I try out immediately segfaults that is debian-ppc unstable on a g4
any hints ?
x
-- chris@lo-res.org Postmodernism is german romanticism with better http://pilot.fm/ special effects. (Jeff Keuss / via ctheory.com)
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Message: 6 From: CK x@meta.lo-res.org Subject: Re: [PD] vasp, segfault To: t.grill@gmx.net (Thomas Grill) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:51:20 +0100 (CET) Cc: pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at
hi thomas,
I read:
does this mean that you can't create any vasp object? ( i assume the vasp library does load normally)
no, I can load the lib and most of the objects (I probably missed some abstraction path) generate fine, I can also use a lot of the help stuff in vasp/pd but all the stuff in vasp/pd_ex it tested causes a segfault
[...]
I'll see what could go wrong but i'm not sure if i have a solution shortly.
I'll try to recompile today afternoon with -g (pd && flext && vasp) and see if gdb reveals sth. useful (if I find the time).
regards,
x
-- chris@lo-res.org Postmodernism is german romanticism with better http://pilot.fm/ special effects. (Jeff Keuss / via ctheory.com)
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Message: 7 From: "Thomas Grill" t.grill@gmx.net To: "CK" x@meta.lo-res.org Cc: pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Subject: Re: [PD] vasp, segfault Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:24:15 +0100
no, I can load the lib and most of the objects (I probably missed some abstraction path) generate fine, I can also use a lot of the help stuff in vasp/pd but all the stuff in vasp/pd_ex it tested causes a segfault
It would be helpful if you could list the vasp objects that don't load. The problem with the pd_ex examples is that they are quite complex, so a error could be hidden anywhere. Maybe you could construct a simple patch that segfaults?
greetings, Thomas
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Message: 8 From: "Thomas Grill" t.grill@gmx.net To: "CK" x@meta.lo-res.org Cc: "pd" pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Subject: Re: [PD] vasp, segfault Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:45:34 +0100
Hi, i can indeed reproduce some misbehavior with the examples in linux/x86, although i don't know whether it's the same that you found... seems like i broke something with the latest changes to flext or vasp. I'll look into it shortly.
best greetings, Thomas
----- Original Message ----- From: "CK" x@meta.lo-res.org To: "Thomas Grill" t.grill@gmx.net Cc: pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [PD] vasp, segfault
hi thomas,
I read:
does this mean that you can't create any vasp object? ( i assume the
vasp
library does load normally)
no, I can load the lib and most of the objects (I probably missed some abstraction path) generate fine, I can also use a lot of the help stuff in vasp/pd but all the stuff in vasp/pd_ex it tested causes a segfault
[...]
I'll see what could go wrong but i'm not sure if i have a solution
shortly.
I'll try to recompile today afternoon with -g (pd && flext && vasp) and see if gdb reveals sth. useful (if I find the time).
regards,
x
-- chris@lo-res.org Postmodernism is german romanticism with better http://pilot.fm/ special effects. (Jeff Keuss / via ctheory.com)
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Message: 9 From: Adrian deCleir 0031259@student.ul.ie To: "'PD-list@iem.at'" PD-list@iem.at Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:22:35 -0000 Subject: [PD] sending notes OSC
Hi I know this is a very simple question but I cant find any tutorials to work on , and there's hardly any examples ppl have done that are available, but I manage to send text characters, numbers or whatever to other IP addresses using 'send' in a message box and joining it to sendOSC but how do you send sound, I've a little osc~ set up where I can hear my own sound on my pc but I dont know what the object or message is to send it to another IP address, cheers for the help Adrian
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Message: 10 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:54:20 +0100 From: IOhannes zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.kug.ac.at To: Michael Gschiel gschiel@kfs.oeaw.ac.at CC: PD-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Question
Michael Gschiel wrote:
Is it possible to show two different gemwin in one patch??
thanks mike
with the current (<=0.87) and upcoming (0.888) releases: no
mfg.asd.r IOhannes
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Message: 11 From: CK x@meta.lo-res.org Subject: Re: [PD] sending notes OSC To: 0031259@student.ul.ie (Adrian deCleir) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:21:01 +0100 (CET) Cc: PD-list@iem.at ('PD-list@iem.at')
hi adrian,
I read:
but I manage to send text characters, numbers or whatever to other IP addresses using 'send' in a message box and joining it to sendOSC but how do you send sound,
OSC is a control protocol not meant for streaming sound data in a reasonable amount of time (though you could of course use:
[tabread] | [pd yourOSCsender] . . (imagine powerpoint internet cloud here) . [pd yourOSCreceiver] | [tabwrite]
)
I've a little osc~ set up where I can hear my own sound on my pc but I dont know what the object or message is to send it to another IP
well in pd you could always look into the pd internal messages docs and clone your patch at the other end but I don't think that's what you want. again: OSC != streaming it was designed as a more versatile, contemporary, typed, urlstyle , physical layer independent midi replacement see: http://www.cnmat.berkeley.edu/OpenSoundControl/
HTH
x
-- chris@lo-res.org Postmodernism is german romanticism with better http://pilot.fm/ special effects. (Jeff Keuss / via ctheory.com)
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Message: 12 From: Adrian deCleir 0031259@student.ul.ie To: 'CK' x@meta.lo-res.org Cc: "'PD-list@iem.at'" PD-list@iem.at Subject: RE: [PD] sending notes OSC Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:42:43 -0000
do you if it might be able to be done using netsend or anything no? tabread doesnt seem to work
cheers anyway adrian
-----Original Message----- From: CK [mailto:x@meta.lo-res.org] Sent: 12 November 2003 15:21 To: 0031259@student.ul.ie Cc: PD-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] sending notes OSC
hi adrian,
I read:
but I manage to send text characters, numbers or whatever to other IP addresses using 'send' in a message box and joining it to sendOSC but how
do
you send sound,
OSC is a control protocol not meant for streaming sound data in a reasonable amount of time (though you could of course use:
[tabread] | [pd yourOSCsender] . . (imagine powerpoint internet cloud here) . [pd yourOSCreceiver] | [tabwrite]
)
I've a little osc~ set up where I can hear my own sound on my pc but I dont know what the object or message is to send it to another
IP
well in pd you could always look into the pd internal messages docs and clone your patch at the other end but I don't think that's what you want. again: OSC != streaming it was designed as a more versatile, contemporary, typed, urlstyle , physical layer independent midi replacement see: http://www.cnmat.berkeley.edu/OpenSoundControl/
HTH
x
-- chris@lo-res.org Postmodernism is german romanticism with better http://pilot.fm/ special effects. (Jeff Keuss / via ctheory.com)
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Message: 13 From: Adrian deCleir 0031259@student.ul.ie To: 'CK' x@meta.lo-res.org Cc: PD-list@iem.at Subject: RE: [PD] sending notes OSC Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:21:29 -0000
just one more thing, sorry for bothering, but in the end Im actually going to be streaming midi , I just thought Id try getting it working with the osc~ do you know of any objects that will help me on my way no? oggcast and them seem to be for actual audio not midi
-----Original Message----- From: CK [mailto:x@meta.lo-res.org] Sent: 12 November 2003 15:43 To: 0031259@student.ul.ie Subject: Re: [PD] sending notes OSC
I read:
do you if it might be able to be done using netsend or anything no? tabread doesnt seem to work
if you really wan't to stream audio you should take a look at the various *mp3*, *ogg*cast, *shout*cast externals but I'm no expert on that.
regards,
x
-- chris@lo-res.org Postmodernism is german romanticism with better http://pilot.fm/ special effects. (Jeff Keuss / via ctheory.com)
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Message: 14 From: CK x@meta.lo-res.org Subject: Re: [PD] sending notes OSC To: 0031259@student.ul.ie (Adrian deCleir) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:07:12 +0100 (CET) Cc: PD-list@iem.at
I read:
just one more thing, sorry for bothering, but in the end Im actually going to be streaming midi ,
ok great, finally I think I have sort of a clue what you want to do, so your options are:
netsend - netreceive but you'll have to develop your own mini protocol defining what is what.
OSC - just stick an OSC header and receiver to to the beginning of your midi message send it, parse it at the other end route it to the instrument you want et voila
I just thought Id try getting it working with the osc~
still don't get it
I give up,
HTH
x
-- chris@lo-res.org Postmodernism is german romanticism with better http://pilot.fm/ special effects. (Jeff Keuss / via ctheory.com)
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Message: 15 From: "Martin Dupras" martin.dupras@uwe.ac.uk To: pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:08:00 -0000 Subject: [PD] processing text
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Hi,
I'm trying to read text from textfiles in pd and display sentences with = the text object in gem. However, I am having a few problems.=20
I'm reading sentences with textefile, which works well. I read lines in = the textfile one by one, which I want to send as lists to the text3d = object. What comes out of the textfile object is something like:
"list the dog is asleep"
which I need to convert to:
"text the dog is asleep"
How do I do that in pd?
Two corollary questions:
- is there an escape character that can be used in the message
object, = or otherwise a way to store the "space" character in a text object as a = list element?
- is there a way to count the number of elements in a list?
Thanks!
- martin
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<HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1264" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm trying to read text from textfiles = in pd and=20 display sentences with the text object in gem. However, I am having a = few=20 problems. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm reading sentences with textefile, = which works=20 well. I read lines in the textfile one by one, which I want to send as = lists to=20 the text3d object. What comes out of the textfile object is something=20 like:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"list the dog is asleep"</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>which I need to convert = to:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"text the dog is asleep"</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>How do I do that in pd?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Two corollary questions:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1) is there an escape character that = can be used in=20 the message object, or otherwise a way to store the "space" character in = a text=20 object as a list element?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2) is there a way to count the number = of elements=20 in a list?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>- martin</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Message: 16 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:05:13 +0100 From: IOhannes zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.kug.ac.at To: Martin Dupras martin.dupras@uwe.ac.uk CC: pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Subject: Re: [PD] processing text
Martin Dupras wrote:
Hi,
I'm trying to read text from textfiles in pd and display sentences with the text object in gem. However, I am having a few problems.
probably i should change the behaviour, so that lists would be interpreted as text too...
I'm reading sentences with textefile, which works well. I read lines in the textfile one by one, which I want to send as lists to the text3d object. What comes out of the textfile object is something like:
"list the dog is asleep"
which I need to convert to:
"text the dog is asleep"
How do I do that in pd?
Two corollary questions:
- is there an escape character that can be used in the message
object, or otherwise a way to store the "space" character in a text object as a list element?
no escaping (yet?) but you can use [l2s] from zexy. i hate to keep pointing at zexy, but (for obvious reasons) it has everything i need and what is missing in pd.
- is there a way to count the number of elements in a list?
[length] from (guess) zexy
mfg.as.dr IOhannes
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Message: 17 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:14:01 +0100 From: IOhannes zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.kug.ac.at To: Martin Dupras martin.dupras@uwe.ac.uk CC: pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Subject: Re: [PD] processing text
IOhannes zmoelnig wrote:
Martin Dupras wrote:
Hi,
I'm trying to read text from textfiles in pd and display sentences with the text object in gem. However, I am having a few problems.
probably i should change the behaviour, so that lists would be interpreted as text too...
i just noticed, that someone has already done this (at least in the cvs) but my research wasn't for nothing: i have removed a constraint which denied the rendering of lists that started with a number. don't know why it was there.
mfg.asd.r IOhannes
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Hallo, Oskar Lissheim-Boëthius hat gesagt: // Oskar Lissheim-Boëthius wrote:
Sorry, just want to praise Jitter a bit. Tried the demo today. Great stuff! Everyone who haven't tried it yet, go to www.cycling74.com and download it.
Thanks for the tip, but I think have enough jitter here already. Here's another good Jitter link: http://www.jitter.de/
ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
from www.jitter.de:
What is Jitter? So, if you have a girlfriend that you expect to see every day after work at 7.00pm you know, what jitter is: Sometimes she comes at 6.30, sometimes at 7.23 and sometimes maybe the next day. The time of arrival of your girlfriend then jitters.
How does Jitter sound? "How sour, sweet music is if time is broke and proportion kept"
Beautiful!!!!!!!!! Glad I included it as a feature in Particlechamber ;-) ---d.
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Oskar Lissheim-Boëthius hat gesagt: // Oskar Lissheim-Boëthius wrote:
Sorry, just want to praise Jitter a bit. Tried the demo today. Great stuff! Everyone who haven't tried it yet, go to www.cycling74.com and download it.
Thanks for the tip, but I think have enough jitter here already. Here's another good Jitter link: http://www.jitter.de/
ciao
-
derek holzer -
Frank Barknecht -
Oskar Lissheim-Boëthius