anyway, whatever I'd say after this, the answer would be that I'm not a good musician, or that pd is not made for me, or even worth, that I don't have a good taste in music, etc... I think this is silly to enter into this, because I just want to contribute with my 'small' inputs, in spite of my small vocabulary.
My conclusion is that pd isn't ready yet to put it at a very important place in composition, like a workstation, period.
Also, many thanks for showing me the work of Richard Barret!
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So maybe you need and want a shitty clarinet to achieve the objective
you have, maybe you need a quite expensive one. Nevertheless, the point
is what you do with it.The clarinetist of one chamber orchestra I've wrote for had to use a 'C'
clarinette that sounded like shit to play all the notes, instead of her cool but expensive B flat, the result is that I don't
liked the sound she had.(If you want to compare I can send you the files)
Richard Barret has a couple of interesting pieces for C clarinet (look for
a cd with Carl Rossman). these pieces wouldn't sound as good in a B or A
clarinets, because it would loose the hard edge of the rhythms/melodic
contours.
so, I say Richard Barret's pieces would sound "like shit" on a B clarinet.
probably your's sounds "like shit" on a C clarinet. both clarinets can
sound good -> only the pieces they play can make them sound "shit".
Conclusion: don't blame the clarinets, stop giving them wrong pieces.
Don't assume that one clarinet is worthless because he's being given the
right material to play with.
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anyway, whatever I'd say after this, the answer would be that I'm not a
good musician, or that pd is not made for me, or even worth, that I don't have a good taste in music, etc...
you're being paranoid. and if someone do, you ask them why, in case it's
worth it.
My conclusion is that pd isn't ready yet to put it at a very important
place in composition, like a workstation, period.
if you need a workstation, then use a workstation (whatever that is). pd
isn't made to be a tool-managed software like pro tools or something, it's
supposed to be the contrary, totally free for your ideas. if you need a
program to mix tracks in a session, then there's no point in even thinking
of programming something like that in pd, just use any of the very good
programs around.
Also, many thanks for showing me the work of Richard Barret!
he's an interesting composer. he also improvises, but I never heard it.
On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, João Pais wrote:
if you need a program to mix tracks in a session, then there's no point in even thinking of programming something like that in pd, just use any of the very good programs around.
There is a very simple and oft-overlooked point to reinventing such programmes inside of pd : it gives you a mixing tool that becomes endlessly reconfigurable, and it gives you components that are useful inside of pd patches that aren't fundamentally about mixing.
I doubt that Pd users are the kind of people who use any ordinary tools while NOT thinking : « hey, if I had this in Pd, I could be plugging [whatever~] into it, or I could plug this mixer into blahblah.pd ».
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that's of course true. but two details are against it:
- if you really know what you want, you'll want to design your own patch
for that, and won't take any other already made programs
- but if you go for it, you'll spend your time programming the mixer,
instead of the project you were thinking of in the first place.
I would guess that unless someone has a project with lots of time (enough
time to program a nice complex mixer in between), it might be better to
turn to another program, like ardour. E.g. and use my patch to control
ardour, for example :)
Some programs can be very well integrated into pd, so it's not always
needed to reinvent the window.
There is a very simple and oft-overlooked point to reinventing such programmes inside of pd : it gives you a mixing tool that becomes endlessly reconfigurable, and it gives you components that are useful inside of pd patches that aren't fundamentally about mixing.
I doubt that Pd users are the kind of people who use any ordinary tools while NOT thinking : « hey, if I had this in Pd, I could be plugging [whatever~] into it, or I could plug this mixer into blahblah.pd ».
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, João Pais wrote:
- if you really know what you want, you'll want to design your own patch
for that, and won't take any other already made programs
- but if you go for it, you'll spend your time programming the mixer,
instead of the project you were thinking of in the first place. I would guess that unless someone has a project with lots of time (enough time to program a nice complex mixer in between), it might be better to turn to another program, like ardour. E.g. and use my patch to control ardour, for example :) Some programs can be very well integrated into pd, so it's not always needed to reinvent the window.
When you have spent the time to learn Ardour, to learn how to connect Ardour to Pd, and to do it, how many wheels could you have reinvented ? :)
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- if you really know what you want, you'll want to design your own patch
for that, and won't take any other already made programs
- but if you go for it, you'll spend your time programming the mixer,
instead of the project you were thinking of in the first place. I would guess that unless someone has a project with lots of time (enough time to program a nice complex mixer in between), it might be better to turn to another program, like ardour. E.g. and use my patch to control ardour, for example :) Some programs can be very well integrated into pd, so it's not always needed to reinvent the window.
When you have spent the time to learn Ardour, to learn how to connect Ardour to Pd, and to do it, how many wheels could you have reinvented ?
:)
I don't know ardour yet. but I didn't spend that much time to do this
patch. anyway I'm sure it will take me less to learn to use ardour than to
program a full-featured multitrack editor in pd.
Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, João Pais wrote:
if you need a program to mix tracks in a session, then there's no point in even thinking of programming something like that in pd, just use any of the very good programs around.
There is a very simple and oft-overlooked point to reinventing such programmes inside of pd : it gives you a mixing tool that becomes endlessly reconfigurable, and it gives you components that are useful inside of pd patches that aren't fundamentally about mixing.
I doubt that Pd users are the kind of people who use any ordinary tools while NOT thinking : « hey, if I had this in Pd, I could be plugging [whatever~] into it, or I could plug this mixer into blahblah.pd ».
Actually I often plug Pd into Ardour (which is a DAW, and is developed, also, for mixing tracks) through jack. it's so simple. :)
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if you need a program to mix tracks in a session, then there's no point in even thinking of programming something like that in pd, just use any of the very good programs around.
There is a very simple and oft-overlooked point to reinventing such programmes inside of pd : it gives you a mixing tool that becomes endlessly reconfigurable, and it gives you components that are useful inside of pd patches that aren't fundamentally about mixing.
I doubt that Pd users are the kind of people who use any ordinary tools while NOT thinking : « hey, if I had this in Pd, I could be plugging [whatever~] into it, or I could plug this mixer into blahblah.pd ».
Actually I often plug Pd into Ardour (which is a DAW, and is developed, also, for mixing tracks) through jack. it's so simple. :)
so you do exactly what I said, use a specifc program for a specific task.
if you use pd+ardour together, you might be interested in my patch to
control ardour from pd through osc:
https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/trunk/abstractions/j...,
ardourjack-gui.pd.
sorry, I forgot, you would also need the icons folder. better use this zip
instead.
so you do exactly what I said, use a specifc program for a specific
task. if you use pd+ardour together, you might be interested in my patch
to control ardour from pd through osc:
https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/trunk/abstractions/j...,
ardourjack-gui.pd.
hmmm, in fact I'm using workstations like ardour, (I don't often use ardour thought even if I've set a bunch of scripts to configure jackd and pd with it) since ages for producing sounds or instruments made with dataflow stuff, I just wanted to check if someone has invented this wheel in pd... apparently not...
best.
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so you do exactly what I said, use a specifc program for a specific task.
if you use pd+ardour together, you might be interested in my patch to
control ardour from pd through osc:
https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/trunk/abstractions/j...,
ardourjack-gui.pd.
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Hi Patko
On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 18:27 +0200, colet.patrice@free.fr wrote:
I just wanted to check if someone has invented this wheel in pd... apparently not...
<marketing lingo>
Have you checked mx from netpd? http://www.netpd.org/Mx
I am not sure, if it meets your criteria, but some of it features are:
- slot for insert-fx per channel/master channel
- unlimited number of slots for aux-fx
- aux-fx can be chained
- you can write your own fx
By using some additional fx plugin suites, you can have:
- meta-fx, that pack 3 slots into one (this way you can have as many
inserts in a chain as you want)
- dynamic processing fx
- EQs
- time-based fx, such chorus, flanger, phaser
- some funky freaky stuff, such as spectral-delay, fft-based
pitchshifter and more.
</marketing lingo>
Roman
On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Roman Haefeli wrote:
<marketing lingo> I am not sure, if it meets your criteria, but some of it features are:
That's not marketing lingo. Instead, you would be saying : «
I am sure that it meets your criteria. NetPd has the features that YOU need. You are a hard-working composer who values quality and innovation, and this is why NetPd is the lifestyle you deserve.
NetPd is standards-compliant for one good reason : it is setting the standard. For many years, NetPd has been pushing the envelope beyond the future. NetPd is synergising best-of-breed online music communities all over the infobahn, producing a paradigm shift in which you can become a key player. Leverage your assets using NetPd, the choice of the new generation !
»
how does this sound ?
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On Sat, 2010-04-24 at 19:46 -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Roman Haefeli wrote:
<marketing lingo> I am not sure, if it meets your criteria, but some of it features are:
That's not marketing lingo. Instead, you would be saying : «
I am sure that it meets your criteria. NetPd has the features that YOU need. You are a hard-working composer who values quality and innovation, and this is why NetPd is the lifestyle you deserve.
NetPd is standards-compliant for one good reason : it is setting the standard. For many years, NetPd has been pushing the envelope beyond the future. NetPd is synergising best-of-breed online music communities all over the infobahn, producing a paradigm shift in which you can become a key player. Leverage your assets using NetPd, the choice of the new generation !
Yeah! Sounds great!
Right, it was not true marketing lingo. Anyway, I was too lazy to go into detail and by mentioning only the features it offers, you probably get a too optimistic view. That's why i tagged it 'marketing lingo'.
Anyway, thanks for the beautiful marketing sentences.
Roman
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