You don't need sudo.

It should be the actual path to your Pd.app, you either not using RC7
or you don't have it installed into /Applications

. This part will be the same: Contents/Resources/bin/pd

.hc

On Feb 16, 2006, at 11:25 AM, altern wrote:

mmm .. it says :

xx$ sudo /Applications/Pd-0.38.4-extendedRC7/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
-stderr : command not found

it is really weird crash, i never had something like this before. I
might have to go and do step by step debugging. quite annoying.

thanks hans

Hans-Christoph Steiner(e)k dio:

...

You should try running Pd from the command line with the -stderr
flag, then you'll see the error message: /Applications/Pd-0.38.4-extendedRC7/Contents/Resources/bin/pd -stderr .hc On Feb 14, 2006, at 11:23 AM, altern wrote:

...

hi

Recently i moved to an old ibook, installed the syste same as in the
old computer which was btw a one year old powerbook, the only thing
i didnt install was the apple devel cdrom.

Now i find that an old patch that worked fine in my old machine
crashes pd while gets loaded. I get no error message.

The funny problem seems to happen when i call from the main patch an
abstraction i use to play samples. This one uses xsample and the
main patch uses pyext. But both externals seem to work fine when i
use them in a other patches.

i am really confused by this. I cannot imagine what it is that
causes the crash. This happens with both latest versions of hans Pd
installers.

any tips?

thanks

--
enrike

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Right, I forgot you need to have Wish Shell.app installed to run pd
from the command line on Mac OS X. You can either install this:

http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/tcltkaqua/TclTkAqua-8.4.9.dmg? download

or open Pd, go to Preferences -> Startup... and add -stderr to the
startup flags.

Then you can view the Pd output by running
/Applications/Utilities/Console.app.

.hc

On Feb 17, 2006, at 7:10 AM, altern wrote:

It didnt do anything or post any error, just command not found if i remember well, this is why i tried sudo

I have installed the latest updates for this version of OSX (10.3.9)
just in case there was something wrong.

i tried again now, i copy from the mac console output

xx$ /Applications/Pd-0.38.4-extended-RC8.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
-stderr set it sh: line 1: /Applications/Wish Shell.app/Contents/MacOS/Wish Shell : No such file or directory

and stays there, i need to do control+Z to stop de process weird isnt it? And i havent even tried opening the patch that causes
the crash

I try now with latest millers distro, 0.39-2 well ... funny, it does work, just the two externals I use are missing
(xsample and pyext). I copy the externals from your distro into millers. I get some weird errors I didnt get before coming from the xsample
object but it does not crash and pyext runs fine.

I try now with command line. Pd-0.39-2 runs ok, yours did the same as i described above. xx$ /Applications/Pd-0.38.4-extended-RC8.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
-stderr set it sh: line 1: /Applications/Wish Shell.app/Contents/MacOS/Wish Shell : No such file or directory

...

You don't need sudo. It should be the actual path to your Pd.app, you either not using RC7
or you don't have it installed into /Applications . This part will be the same: Contents/Resources/bin/pd .hc On Feb 16, 2006, at 11:25 AM, altern wrote:

...

mmm .. it says :

xx$ sudo
/Applications/Pd-0.38.4-extendedRC7/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
-stderr : command not found

it is really weird crash, i never had something like this before. I
might have to go and do step by step debugging. quite annoying.

thanks hans

Hans-Christoph Steiner(e)k dio:

...

You should try running Pd from the command line with the -stderr
flag, then you'll see the error message: /Applications/Pd-0.38.4-extendedRC7/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
-stderr .hc On Feb 14, 2006, at 11:23 AM, altern wrote:

...

hi

Recently i moved to an old ibook, installed the syste same as in
the old computer which was btw a one year old powerbook, the only
thing i didnt install was the apple devel cdrom.

Now i find that an old patch that worked fine in my old machine
crashes pd while gets loaded. I get no error message.

The funny problem seems to happen when i call from the main patch
an abstraction i use to play samples. This one uses xsample and
the main patch uses pyext. But both externals seem to work fine
when i use them in a other patches.

i am really confused by this. I cannot imagine what it is that
causes the crash. This happens with both latest versions of hans
Pd installers.

any tips?

thanks

-- enrike

---

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---

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"Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more
direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it
can change entire economies." - Amy Smith

My guess is that its related to the libraries that you are loading.
Try loading it with no libraries, then add each one in separately and
maybe you can track down the crash.

.hc

On Feb 19, 2006, at 4:01 PM, altern wrote:

ok,

now i get this in the console, any ideas?

xxx:~ xx$ /Applications/Pd-0.38.4-extended-RC8.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
-stderr /Users/xx/ixi/pd/autoloop/autoloop.pd set it

---

py/pyext 0.2.1pre - python script objects (C)2002-2005 Thomas Grill - http://grrrr.org/ext

using Python 2.3 (#1, Sep 13 2003, 00:49:11) [GCC 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1495)]

---

---

xsample objects, version 0.3.1

xrecord~, xplay~, xgroove~ (C)2001-2005 Thomas Grill

---

xsample ... couldn't create Pd: signal 4 closing audio... closing MIDI... ... done. pd_gui: pd process exited

Hans-Christoph Steiner(e)k dio:

...

Right, I forgot you need to have Wish Shell.app installed to run pd
from the command line on Mac OS X. You can either install this: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/tcltkaqua/TclTkAqua-8.4.9.dmg? download or open Pd, go to Preferences -> Startup... and add -stderr to the
startup flags. Then you can view the Pd output by running
/Applications/Utilities/Console.app. .hc On Feb 17, 2006, at 7:10 AM, altern wrote:

...

It didnt do anything or post any error, just command not found if i remember well, this is why i tried sudo

I have installed the latest updates for this version of OSX (10.3.9)
just in case there was something wrong.

i tried again now, i copy from the mac console output

xx$
/Applications/Pd-0.38.4-extended-RC8.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
-stderr set it sh: line 1: /Applications/Wish Shell.app/Contents/MacOS/Wish Shell :
No such file or directory

and stays there, i need to do control+Z to stop de process weird isnt it? And i havent even tried opening the patch that causes
the crash

I try now with latest millers distro, 0.39-2 well ... funny, it does work, just the two externals I use are
missing (xsample and pyext). I copy the externals from your distro into millers. I get some weird errors I didnt get before coming from the xsample
object but it does not crash and pyext runs fine.

I try now with command line. Pd-0.39-2 runs ok, yours did the same as i described above. xx$
/Applications/Pd-0.38.4-extended-RC8.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
-stderr set it sh: line 1: /Applications/Wish Shell.app/Contents/MacOS/Wish Shell :
No such file or directory

...

You don't need sudo. It should be the actual path to your Pd.app, you either not using
RC7 or you don't have it installed into /Applications . This part will be the same: Contents/Resources/bin/pd .hc On Feb 16, 2006, at 11:25 AM, altern wrote:

...

mmm .. it says :

xx$ sudo
/Applications/Pd-0.38.4-extendedRC7/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
-stderr : command not found

it is really weird crash, i never had something like this before.
I might have to go and do step by step debugging. quite annoying.

thanks hans

Hans-Christoph Steiner(e)k dio:

...

You should try running Pd from the command line with the -stderr
flag, then you'll see the error message: /Applications/Pd-0.38.4-extendedRC7/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
-stderr .hc On Feb 14, 2006, at 11:23 AM, altern wrote: > hi > > Recently i moved to an old ibook, installed the syste same as in
> the old computer which was btw a one year old powerbook, the
> only thing i didnt install was the apple devel cdrom. > > Now i find that an old patch that worked fine in my old machine
> crashes pd while gets loaded. I get no error message. > > The funny problem seems to happen when i call from the main
> patch an abstraction i use to play samples. This one uses
> xsample and the main patch uses pyext. But both externals seem
> to work fine when i use them in a other patches. > > i am really confused by this. I cannot imagine what it is that
> causes the crash. This happens with both latest versions of hans
> Pd installers. > > any tips? > > thanks > > -- enrike > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->
> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > __________________________________________________________________ __________ ¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido!

---

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---

______ "Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up
with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it
in practice, it can change entire economies." - Amy Smith

If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. -
Eldridge Cleaver

Do you have an object called [xsample] in any of those patches? That
would maybe explain this message:

...

...

xsample ... couldn't create

AFAIK, the library is called xsample, but the xsample objects are
called something else. Maybe that is somehow related to the crash?

.hc

On Feb 20, 2006, at 3:37 AM, altern wrote:

Hans-Christoph Steiner(e)k dio:

...

My guess is that its related to the libraries that you are loading.
Try loading it with no libraries, then add each one in separately and
maybe you can track down the crash.

yes, but the funny thing is that i can start PD and create a py object
and xsample object. It is only when I load the subpatch containing
xsample when it crashes. I think i am going to have to waste some time
debugging this. It is really weird that it ws working really fine in
another mac machine with same OS version and pd version.

thanks anyway

...

On Feb 19, 2006, at 4:01 PM, altern wrote:

...

ok,

now i get this in the console, any ideas?

xxx:~ xx$ /Applications/Pd-0.38.4-extended-RC8.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
-stderr /Users/xx/ixi/pd/autoloop/autoloop.pd set it

---

py/pyext 0.2.1pre - python script objects (C)2002-2005 Thomas Grill - http://grrrr.org/ext

using Python 2.3 (#1, Sep 13 2003, 00:49:11) [GCC 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1495)]

---

---

xsample objects, version 0.3.1

xrecord~, xplay~, xgroove~ (C)2001-2005 Thomas Grill

---

xsample ... couldn't create Pd: signal 4 closing audio... closing MIDI... ... done. pd_gui: pd process exited

Hans-Christoph Steiner(e)k dio:

...

Right, I forgot you need to have Wish Shell.app installed to run pd
from the command line on Mac OS X. You can either install this: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/tcltkaqua/TclTkAqua-8.4.9.dmg? download or open Pd, go to Preferences -> Startup... and add -stderr to the
startup flags. Then you can view the Pd output by running
/Applications/Utilities/Console.app. .hc On Feb 17, 2006, at 7:10 AM, altern wrote:

...

It didnt do anything or post any error, just command not found if i remember well, this is why i tried sudo

I have installed the latest updates for this version of OSX
(10.3.9) just in case there was something wrong.

i tried again now, i copy from the mac console output

xx$
/Applications/Pd-0.38.4-extended-RC8.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
-stderr set it sh: line 1: /Applications/Wish Shell.app/Contents/MacOS/Wish Shell
: No such file or directory

and stays there, i need to do control+Z to stop de process weird isnt it? And i havent even tried opening the patch that
causes the crash

I try now with latest millers distro, 0.39-2 well ... funny, it does work, just the two externals I use are
missing (xsample and pyext). I copy the externals from your distro into millers. I get some weird errors I didnt get before coming from the xsample
object but it does not crash and pyext runs fine.

I try now with command line. Pd-0.39-2 runs ok, yours did the same as i described above. xx$
/Applications/Pd-0.38.4-extended-RC8.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
-stderr set it sh: line 1: /Applications/Wish Shell.app/Contents/MacOS/Wish Shell
: No such file or directory

...

You don't need sudo. It should be the actual path to your Pd.app, you either not using
RC7 or you don't have it installed into /Applications . This part will be the same: Contents/Resources/bin/pd .hc On Feb 16, 2006, at 11:25 AM, altern wrote: > mmm .. it says : > > xx$ sudo
> /Applications/Pd-0.38.4-extendedRC7/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
> -stderr : command not found > > it is really weird crash, i never had something like this
> before. I might have to go and do step by step debugging. quite
> annoying. > > thanks hans > > > > Hans-Christoph Steiner(e)k dio: >> You should try running Pd from the command line with the
>> -stderr flag, then you'll see the error message: >> /Applications/Pd-0.38.4-extendedRC7/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
>> -stderr >> .hc >> On Feb 14, 2006, at 11:23 AM, altern wrote: >>> hi >>> >>> Recently i moved to an old ibook, installed the syste same as
>>> in the old computer which was btw a one year old powerbook,
>>> the only thing i didnt install was the apple devel cdrom. >>> >>> Now i find that an old patch that worked fine in my old
>>> machine crashes pd while gets loaded. I get no error message. >>> >>> The funny problem seems to happen when i call from the main
>>> patch an abstraction i use to play samples. This one uses
>>> xsample and the main patch uses pyext. But both externals seem
>>> to work fine when i use them in a other patches. >>> >>> i am really confused by this. I cannot imagine what it is that
>>> causes the crash. This happens with both latest versions of
>>> hans Pd installers. >>> >>> any tips? >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> -- enrike >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->
>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>> >> ________________________________________________________________ >> ____________ ¡El pueblo unido jamás será
>> vencido! > > __________________________________________________________________ __________ http://at.or.at/hans/

---

________ "Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come
up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but
it in practice, it can change entire economies." - Amy Smith

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problem. -
Eldridge Cleaver

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that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big
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