--- On Tue, 8/10/10, Frank Barknecht fbar@footils.org wrote:
From: Frank Barknecht fbar@footils.org Subject: Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 12:53 PM Hi,
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:07:55AM +0100, João Pais wrote:
but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in
vanilla,
right? and it's not possible to do reatime control
like input
numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control?
or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod
maxi?
As Cyrille wrote, it's mostly a political issue: AppStore apps are tied to the device and officially only available through the AppStore. This is some kind of DRM and many people don't consider it compatible with the GPL, at least not with the latest version.
More specifically, the FSF considers the GPL incompatible with the ToS for the Itunes and App store:
http://www.fsf.org/news/blogs/licensing/more-about-the-app-store-gpl-enforce...
To play it safe, the Pd in RjDj only contains the BSD parts of Pd, no [expr] etc. Some GPL stuff is included, like the rj library, but that's all written by Reality Jockey.
What does authorship have to do with whether the Appstore ToS conflicts with the GPL?
-Jonathan
On Aug 10, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
--- On Tue, 8/10/10, Frank Barknecht fbar@footils.org wrote:
From: Frank Barknecht fbar@footils.org Subject: Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 12:53 PM Hi,
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:07:55AM +0100, João Pais wrote:
but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in
vanilla,
right? and it's not possible to do reatime control
like input
numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control?
or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod
maxi?
As Cyrille wrote, it's mostly a political issue: AppStore apps are tied to the device and officially only available through the AppStore. This is some kind of DRM and many people don't consider it compatible with the GPL, at least not with the latest version.
More specifically, the FSF considers the GPL incompatible with the ToS for the Itunes and App store:
http://www.fsf.org/news/blogs/licensing/more-about-the-app-store-gpl-enforce...
To play it safe, the Pd in RjDj only contains the BSD parts of Pd, no [expr] etc. Some GPL stuff is included, like the rj library, but that's all written by Reality Jockey.
What does authorship have to do with whether the Appstore ToS
conflicts with the GPL?
The GPL is a license to use copyrighted material that you otherwise
would not have any legal right to use. If the author of GPL software
posts their software to the appstore, it could be read as a implied
statement that the author is not going to enforce all aspects of the
GPL. An explicit statement to that effect would be better.
If you don't own the copyright, then that is not your decision to make.
.hc
Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally
for machines to execute.
I wasn't aware that Apple are doing this. This is interesting and important to me. Frank and I are two of the principle authors of rjlib (in fact there are many others including Chris McCormick and many Pd artists who have allowed their work to be incorporated into the collection, all as GPL)
Every patch carries a prominent GPL notice.
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com wrote:
--- On Tue, 8/10/10, Frank Barknecht fbar@footils.org wrote:
From: Frank Barknecht fbar@footils.org Subject: Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 12:53 PM Hi,
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:07:55AM +0100, João Pais wrote:
but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in
vanilla,
right? and it's not possible to do reatime control
like input
numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control?
or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod
maxi?
As Cyrille wrote, it's mostly a political issue: AppStore apps are tied to the device and officially only available through the AppStore. This is some kind of DRM and many people don't consider it compatible with the GPL, at least not with the latest version.
More specifically, the FSF considers the GPL incompatible with the ToS for the Itunes and App store:
http://www.fsf.org/news/blogs/licensing/more-about-the-app-store-gpl-enforce...
To play it safe, the Pd in RjDj only contains the BSD parts of Pd, no [expr] etc. Some GPL stuff is included, like the rj library, but that's all written by Reality Jockey.
What does authorship have to do with whether the Appstore ToS conflicts with the GPL?
-Jonathan
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see : http://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-compliance/
anyway, if artiste allow there work to be included in apple store, they agree to distribute it under a double licence : gpl and apple. i'm not a legal expert, and not sure apple allow a double licensing.
cyrille
Le 10/08/2010 19:44, Andy Farnell a écrit :
I wasn't aware that Apple are doing this. This is interesting and important to me. Frank and I are two of the principle authors of rjlib (in fact there are many others including Chris McCormick and many Pd artists who have allowed their work to be incorporated into the collection, all as GPL)
Every patch carries a prominent GPL notice.
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Jonathan Wilkesjancsika@yahoo.com wrote:
--- On Tue, 8/10/10, Frank Barknechtfbar@footils.org wrote:
From: Frank Barknechtfbar@footils.org Subject: Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 12:53 PM Hi,
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:07:55AM +0100, João Pais wrote:
but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in
vanilla,
right? and it's not possible to do reatime control
like input
numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control?
or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod
maxi?
As Cyrille wrote, it's mostly a political issue: AppStore apps are tied to the device and officially only available through the AppStore. This is some kind of DRM and many people don't consider it compatible with the GPL, at least not with the latest version.
More specifically, the FSF considers the GPL incompatible with the ToS for the Itunes and App store:
http://www.fsf.org/news/blogs/licensing/more-about-the-app-store-gpl-enforce...
To play it safe, the Pd in RjDj only contains the BSD parts of Pd, no [expr] etc. Some GPL stuff is included, like the rj library, but that's all written by Reality Jockey.
What does authorship have to do with whether the Appstore ToS conflicts with the GPL?
-Jonathan
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Hi,
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 06:44:09PM +0100, Andy Farnell wrote:
I wasn't aware that Apple are doing this. This is interesting and important to me. Frank and I are two of the principle authors of rjlib (in fact there are many others including Chris McCormick and many Pd artists who have allowed their work to be incorporated into the collection, all as GPL)
Every patch carries a prominent GPL notice.
No, Andy, that's not true. I took great care to never include anything licensed as GPL from anywhere outside Reality Jockey. rj in fact is dual licensed: The BSD parts like adapted help files all carry a BSD notice, *only* the parts written by RJ contractors include the GPL notice.
For the rj library, the license issue is not such an issue, as it is possible to use the library and also the full scenes outside of the Apple jail, for example on Peter Brinkmann's ScenePlayer for Android. (I'm working with Peter polishing this.) The rj abstractions are not shipped via the AppStore, or at least not only there, you can also install them through the website without the DRM issue.
Frank
My mistake, not _only_ GPL, there is a mix of licenses you are right.
And you've been uncommonly dilligent in compiling the library, which motivated me to defend those who _did_ opt for GPL (within RjDj in general)
All the same, this Apple business is making me uncomfortable.
They have become the antithesis of everything they once held themselves to be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8
You become what you hate.
Now it's Steve Jobs that needs smashing in the face with a hammer.
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:51:02 +0200 Frank Barknecht fbar@footils.org wrote:
No, Andy, that's not true. I took great care to never include anything licensed as GPL from anywhere outside Reality Jockey. rj in fact is dual
Yeah, while it may be possible to be "officially" free software on the iPhoneOS, it is less and less possible to actually have free software.
.hc
On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 20:51 +0100, Andy Farnell wrote:
My mistake, not _only_ GPL, there is a mix of licenses you are right.
And you've been uncommonly dilligent in compiling the library, which motivated me to defend those who _did_ opt for GPL (within RjDj in general)
All the same, this Apple business is making me uncomfortable.
They have become the antithesis of everything they once held themselves to be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8
You become what you hate.
Now it's Steve Jobs that needs smashing in the face with a hammer.
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:51:02 +0200 Frank Barknecht fbar@footils.org wrote:
No, Andy, that's not true. I took great care to never include anything licensed as GPL from anywhere outside Reality Jockey. rj in fact is dual
This is the end Beautiful friend This is the end My only friend, the end ... ++
Jack
Le mercredi 11 août 2010 à 20:51 +0100, Andy Farnell a écrit :
My mistake, not _only_ GPL, there is a mix of licenses you are right.
And you've been uncommonly dilligent in compiling the library, which motivated me to defend those who _did_ opt for GPL (within RjDj in general)
All the same, this Apple business is making me uncomfortable.
They have become the antithesis of everything they once held themselves to be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8
You become what you hate.
Now it's Steve Jobs that needs smashing in the face with a hammer.
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:51:02 +0200 Frank Barknecht fbar@footils.org wrote:
No, Andy, that's not true. I took great care to never include anything licensed as GPL from anywhere outside Reality Jockey. rj in fact is dual
Dream of drama and tragedy Jack, you old fool :) The Last Man will dribble "kill me" into his iLife machine with what's left of his mind. It says "permission denied".
a.
On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 00:02:49 +0200 Jack jack@rybn.org wrote:
This is the end Beautiful friend This is the end My only friend, the end ... ++
Jack
Le mercredi 11 août 2010 à 20:51 +0100, Andy Farnell a écrit :
My mistake, not _only_ GPL, there is a mix of licenses you are right.
And you've been uncommonly dilligent in compiling the library, which motivated me to defend those who _did_ opt for GPL (within RjDj in general)
All the same, this Apple business is making me uncomfortable.
They have become the antithesis of everything they once held themselves to be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8
You become what you hate.
Now it's Steve Jobs that needs smashing in the face with a hammer.
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:51:02 +0200 Frank Barknecht fbar@footils.org wrote:
No, Andy, that's not true. I took great care to never include anything licensed as GPL from anywhere outside Reality Jockey. rj in fact is dual
On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Andy Farnell wrote:
Dream of drama and tragedy Jack, you old fool :) The Last Man will dribble "kill me" into his iLife machine with what's left of his mind. It says "permission denied".
Or "you don't exist. go away."
http://stason.org/TULARC/os/linux-faq/156-You-don-t-exist-Go-away.html http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/1998-05/msg00522.html http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6531556
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