Hello list,
after trying debian squeezy for a few months on my Thinkpad X61s (an old
model), I'm thinking of trying another distribution, due to several
details. As I'm not up to date on the offer now, I wanted to ask what
distributions are interesting nowadays (and in the future?).
The reason why I changed from ubuntu to debian was because I found the
latest ubuntu version very bloated. But now I have issues with several
details that don't work on debian, and should work on a more "general"
distro like ubuntu. So it might be better to go back to Ubuntu, and use a
ligher desktop manager as gnome?
I was looking for a system with LTS (I won't upgrade for as long as I
can), modern (I need to try some programs now and then that require modern
libraries and dependencies), and also light. The hardware is a bit old,
and I need it mainly for Pd with Jack.
I've seen many people speaking good things about linux mint. Is it worth
it, or better to go directly to the "source", ubuntu? (but ubuntu's
source, debian, isn't working well for me)
Also important is that I don't have to spend time compiling, building and
going through forums. Or I'll just loose my temper, and go back to windows
for some years again.
My hardware is:
- Thinkpad X61s 64b (dual boot with windows 7) - but I'll use linux with
32b
- RME Multiface I with PCMCIA card
- wacom intous3 tablet (that I wanted to acess through hid)
- Behringer BCF2000
What is your experience, what's out there that looks interesting these
days?
Thanks,
João
I'm using Arch on an old HP NC8000 laptop with pd-extended and jack but it's a rolling release so doesn't meet your requirements for LTS...
Quoth João Pais, on 24/05/2013 11:06:
Hello list,
after trying debian squeezy for a few months on my Thinkpad X61s (an old model), I'm thinking of trying another distribution, due to several details. As I'm not up to date on the offer now, I wanted to ask what distributions are interesting nowadays (and in the future?).
The reason why I changed from ubuntu to debian was because I found the latest ubuntu version very bloated. But now I have issues with several details that don't work on debian, and should work on a more "general" distro like ubuntu. So it might be better to go back to Ubuntu, and use a ligher desktop manager as gnome?
I was looking for a system with LTS (I won't upgrade for as long as I can), modern (I need to try some programs now and then that require modern libraries and dependencies), and also light. The hardware is a bit old, and I need it mainly for Pd with Jack.
I've seen many people speaking good things about linux mint. Is it worth it, or better to go directly to the "source", ubuntu? (but ubuntu's source, debian, isn't working well for me) Also important is that I don't have to spend time compiling, building and going through forums. Or I'll just loose my temper, and go back to windows for some years again.
My hardware is:
- Thinkpad X61s 64b (dual boot with windows 7) - but I'll use linux
with 32b
- RME Multiface I with PCMCIA card
- wacom intous3 tablet (that I wanted to acess through hid)
- Behringer BCF2000
What is your experience, what's out there that looks interesting these days?
Thanks,
João
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On 05/24/2013 12:06 PM, João Pais wrote:
Hello list,
after trying debian squeezy for a few months on my Thinkpad X61s (an old model), I'm thinking of trying another distribution, due to several details. As I'm not up to date on the offer now, I wanted to ask what distributions are interesting nowadays (and in the future?).
The reason why I changed from ubuntu to debian was because I found the latest ubuntu version very bloated. But now I have issues with several details that don't work on debian, and should work on a more "general" distro like ubuntu. So it might be better to go back to Ubuntu, and use a ligher desktop manager as gnome?
I was looking for a system with LTS (I won't upgrade for as long as I can), modern (I need to try some programs now and then that require modern libraries and dependencies), and also light. The hardware is a bit old, and I need it mainly for Pd with Jack.
I've seen many people speaking good things about linux mint. Is it worth it, or better to go directly to the "source", ubuntu? (but ubuntu's source, debian, isn't working well for me) Also important is that I don't have to spend time compiling, building and going through forums. Or I'll just loose my temper, and go back to windows for some years again.
My hardware is:
- Thinkpad X61s 64b (dual boot with windows 7) - but I'll use linux with
32b
- RME Multiface I with PCMCIA card
- wacom intous3 tablet (that I wanted to acess through hid)
- Behringer BCF2000
What is your experience, what's out there that looks interesting these days?
Thanks,
João
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Hello List I switched from regular kubuntu to kxstudio some months ago. It's based on Ubuntu 12.04LTS, but adds 3.8 kernel, KDE 4.10, good repositories for audio work and nice jack tools. I can confirm it runs smoothly on Thinkpad X61, T61p, W530 with RME Multiface (PCMCIA/Expresscard) an BCF.
L.Willkomm
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:06 PM, João Pais jmmmpais@googlemail.com wrote:
Hello list,
after trying debian squeezy for a few months on my Thinkpad X61s (an old model),
squeeze or wheezy? as wheezy has just been released as stable that would be the best to use at the moment.
The reason why I changed from ubuntu to debian was because I found the latest ubuntu version very bloated. But now I have issues with several details that don't work on debian, and should work on a more "general" distro like ubuntu.
Maybe you should elaborate on your 'issues with several details', because we can't help you if you don't explain what issues you are having.
I don't see why debian is not a 'more "general" distro' and why it would not be able to do the same things ubuntu has to offer (especially if you only need to use Pd and jack).
cheers, drmr
I was looking for a system with LTS (I won't upgrade for as long as I can), modern (I need to try some programs now and then that require modern libraries and dependencies), and also light. The hardware is a bit old, and I need it mainly for Pd with Jack.
I've seen many people speaking good things about linux mint. Is it worth it, or better to go directly to the "source", ubuntu? (but ubuntu's source, debian, isn't working well for me) Also important is that I don't have to spend time compiling, building and going through forums. Or I'll just loose my temper, and go back to windows for some years again.
My hardware is:
- Thinkpad X61s 64b (dual boot with windows 7) - but I'll use linux with
32b
- RME Multiface I with PCMCIA card
- wacom intous3 tablet (that I wanted to acess through hid)
- Behringer BCF2000
What is your experience, what's out there that looks interesting these days?
Thanks,
João
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squeeze or wheezy? as wheezy has just been released as stable that would
be the best to use at the moment.
must be squeeze, yes.
The reason why I changed from ubuntu to debian was because I found the latest ubuntu version very bloated. But now I have issues with several details that don't work on debian, and should work on a more "general" distro like ubuntu.
Maybe you should elaborate on your 'issues with several details', because we can't help you if you don't explain what issues you are having.
for now the most annoying are glibc6 below v15 (and I can't install
leapmotion's sdk), and I can't control the cpu performance settings.
surely there are other details, but can't remember them now.
I don't see why debian is not a 'more "general" distro' and why it would not be able to do the same things ubuntu has to offer (especially if you only need to use Pd and jack).
that was my thought as I decided for debian instead of ubuntu
----- Original Message ----- From: João Pais jmmmpais@googlemail.com To: dreamer dreamer@puikheid.nl Cc: PD-List pd-list@iem.at Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [PD] OT: another linux system question
for now the most annoying are glibc6 below v15 (and I can't install
leapmotion's sdk), and I can't control the cpu performance settings. surely there are other details, but can't remember them now.
Unfortunately Debian Wheezy won't help you because it froze at v2.13. You'd have to install Jessie, but that's not an LTS system.
-Jonathan
On Fri, 2013-05-24 at 17:20 +0200, João Pais wrote:
I don't see why debian is not a 'more "general" distro' and why it would not be able to do the same things ubuntu has to offer (especially if you only need to use Pd and jack).
that was my thought as I decided for debian instead of ubuntu
Debian Squeeze is from May 2011 and the version of its packages is likely even older. There is not really a point in comparing old-stable Debian with a current Ubuntu. You might want to upgrade to Debian Wheezy. Could be easier than a re-install to a recent Ubuntu.
Then, Debian officially recommends the stable distribution mainly for servers and the testing distribution for private/Desktop/Laptop users. Right now, there is probably not much difference between the two, as the stable release is still very recent. But in two years your software will be quite outdated. Consider that testing is a rolling distribution.
I haven't tried Linux Mint myself, but public feedback seems to be generally positive. One flaw hinders me to even try it: In-place upgrades are not supported. The canonical way of upgrading a Linux Mint installation is to create a backup, perform the upgrade, re-install the system, play restore your backup.
Roman
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 5:20 PM, João Pais jmmmpais@googlemail.com wrote:
for now the most annoying are glibc6 below v15 (and I can't install leapmotion's sdk), and I can't control the cpu performance settings. surely there are other details, but can't remember them now.
If you like Ubuntu for it's repositories but need a lighter DE, why not try Xubuntu? I run version 12.04 on a 1 GHz core2duo laptop. Xfce desktop itself occupies ~140 MB of memory. It is slightly less luxurious than Gnome2. Some things require extra effort from the user, like dual monitor setup. Other things are not available by default but can be installed, like manual CPU scaling. Overall, Xfce 'feels' the same as Gnome2: functional and reliable.
Katja
yes, ubuntu with some lighter desktop, mainly xfce, was one of my ideas
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 5:20 PM, João Pais jmmmpais@googlemail.com
wrote:for now the most annoying are glibc6 below v15 (and I can't install leapmotion's sdk), and I can't control the cpu performance settings.
surely there are other details, but can't remember them now.If you like Ubuntu for it's repositories but need a lighter DE, why not try Xubuntu? I run version 12.04 on a 1 GHz core2duo laptop. Xfce desktop itself occupies ~140 MB of memory. It is slightly less luxurious than Gnome2. Some things require extra effort from the user, like dual monitor setup. Other things are not available by default but can be installed, like manual CPU scaling. Overall, Xfce 'feels' the same as Gnome2: functional and reliable.
Katja
sorry, this went out too fast: is there a difference betewen using
xubuntu, and using ubuntu with xfce installed afterwards?
yes, ubuntu with some lighter desktop, mainly xfce, was one of my ideas
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 5:20 PM, João Pais jmmmpais@googlemail.com
wrote:for now the most annoying are glibc6 below v15 (and I can't install leapmotion's sdk), and I can't control the cpu performance settings.
surely there are other details, but can't remember them now.If you like Ubuntu for it's repositories but need a lighter DE, why not try Xubuntu? I run version 12.04 on a 1 GHz core2duo laptop. Xfce desktop itself occupies ~140 MB of memory. It is slightly less luxurious than Gnome2. Some things require extra effort from the user, like dual monitor setup. Other things are not available by default but can be installed, like manual CPU scaling. Overall, Xfce 'feels' the same as Gnome2: functional and reliable.
Katja
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 7:13 PM, João Pais jmmmpais@googlemail.com wrote:
sorry, this went out too fast: is there a difference betewen using xubuntu, and using ubuntu with xfce installed afterwards?
Didn't try installing Xfce on Ubuntu (I had Debian Squeeze on that laptop), but I guess that installing Xubuntu right away is easiest. What I did is copy a Xubuntu image on usb stick, try the live session first to get the taste, then install. From usb stick it installs in 10 minutes (but then of course come the updates, configuration etc.). The audio mixer in Xubuntu's panel is PulseAudio, if you want an ALSA mixer in the panel, install xfce4-mixer.
Katja
On 05/24/2013 12:06 PM, João Pais wrote:
Hello list,
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So it might be better to go back to Ubuntu, and use a ligher desktop manager as gnome?
i'm using xfce4 on all my audio machines, and i'm very happy with it (ex kde user here). should be available on ubuntu as well (maybe not in their default repo, but sure in whatsitcalled, universe?).
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My hardware is:
- Thinkpad X61s 64b (dual boot with windows 7) - but I'll use linux with
32b
why? there is really no reason to run 32bit anymore, if your processor is native 64bit
- RME Multiface I with PCMCIA card
rock solid out of the box.
- wacom intous3 tablet (that I wanted to acess through hid)
can't comment on that one. but if it's supported by linux at all, it can be massaged into any distro whatsoever, no use to go distro hopping like mad.
- Behringer BCF2000
this is a generic class compliant usb 1.1 device and will work out of the box on all but the most ancient linux systems.
What is your experience, what's out there that looks interesting these days?
personally, i'm using opensuse because i always have and i'm lazy, and ever since they introduced a rolling update scheme, i'm happy.
often when i read user reports on the linux audio lists, i can't help but think that people are distro hopping too much. if you spend the time it takes to install yet another distro from scratch reading the docs of your current distro instead and tweaking some details, you'll reach your goal _and_ improve your understanding of your system. granted, there are some issues that really reach into the fundamental design decisions of a distro and might not be solvable, but those are very rare. frantic distro juggling however is a common disease.
also, when you are starting fresh and have lots of disk space, reserve one partition for experiments. that way, you can try new stuff and always go back to a tried, trusted, and gig-ready setup.
hth,
jörn
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