From an audio processing perspective...
My first introduction to a visual programming environment was Reaktor, then Max, then Pd. Only recently did i find out about plogue bidule. As far as interface goes they seem quite similar, and one obviously must consider that the commercial products have customer support rather than the community effort that is PD (which is great, don't get me wrong) and the "user friendliness" approach they must have in order to appeal to users.
As far as i know, reaktor and plogue bidule have VST capabilities, i believe the last i read about the [vst] object in Pd was that is was generally defective (can anyone confirm or correct this?). Max seems to be the largest and most complex of all (The creators of the Monome http://monome.org/ and OHM64 http://www.lividinstruments.com/hardware_ohm64.php both designed their product with max, although i'm sure it could have been with Pd just the same). correct me if i'm wrong, but i understand that pd and max are the most powerful, although i've yet to build anything that sounds as good as what i was able to make in reaktor, and i have no idea about the sound quality that can be achieved with plogue bidule.
your thoughts?
jeff
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Jeffrey Concepcion < jeffreyconcepcion@gmail.com> wrote:
From an audio processing perspective...
My first introduction to a visual programming environment was Reaktor, then Max, then Pd. Only recently did i find out about plogue bidule. As far as interface goes they seem quite similar, and one obviously must consider that the commercial products have customer support rather than the community effort that is PD (which is great, don't get me wrong) and the "user friendliness" approach they must have in order to appeal to users.
As far as i know, reaktor and plogue bidule have VST capabilities, i believe the last i read about the [vst] object in Pd was that is was generally defective (can anyone confirm or correct this?). Max seems to be the largest and most complex of all (The creators of the Monomehttp://monome.org/and OHM64 http://www.lividinstruments.com/hardware_ohm64.php both designed their product with max, although i'm sure it could have been with Pd just the same). correct me if i'm wrong, but i understand that pd and max are the most powerful, although i've yet to build anything that sounds as good as what i was able to make in reaktor, and i have no idea about the sound quality that can be achieved with plogue bidule.
your thoughts?
jeff
I started with Reaktor too - as far as i remember it was quality-wise "secure" (means easy to make good sounds, hard to mess up) because really basic elements had been introduced only later, and still not many patches messed with them. Pd imho have been always using smaller, more basic building blocks which always allow for all kinds of glitches. Not an audio issue, but Reaktor does not do midi sysex, that's why i broke up with it.
Andras
the last i read about the [vst] object in Pd was that is was generally defective (can anyone confirm or correct this?).
Jeffrey, do you know where you read this? I would certainly be interested to hear about bug reports.
thanks, Thomas
i can't remember exactly where i read this, sorry. but i'd really like to be able to use the vst object to run it in ableton.
Jeff
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:21 AM, Thomas Grill gr@grrrr.org wrote:
the last i read about the [vst] object in Pd was that is was generally defective (can anyone confirm or correct this?).
Jeffrey, do you know where you read this? I would certainly be interested to hear about bug reports.
thanks, Thomas
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