Hi folks, I'm working on cyclone/comment, the last object we need to update in cyclone, and I need help.
I haven't learned much (if any) when it comes to GUIs in Pd. I've tried all I could and I'm giving up, but I assume this must be so trivial and simple for a more experienced GUI coder out there. So I appreciate if anyone could help me out here.
here's the code https://github.com/porres/pd-cyclone/blob/master/cyclone_objects/binaries/co...
and one can always also just send us a PR in the repository ;)
thanks
The object is not visible in a GOP (graph on parent).
Unlike every other GUI object/external out there (and atom boxes or Pd's comment), it is not visible in a subpath with a GOP.
here's a test patch
cheers
Em ter, 12 de fev de 2019 às 06:49, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.at escreveu:
On 12.02.19 06:28, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Hi folks, I'm working on cyclone/comment, the last object we need to
update
in cyclone, and I need help.
so what is the problem?
fgsmdr IOhannes
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btw, are there any tutorials on how to write GUI externals for Pd out there?
Em ter, 12 de fev de 2019 às 11:16, Alexandre Torres Porres < porres@gmail.com> escreveu:
The object is not visible in a GOP (graph on parent).
Unlike every other GUI object/external out there (and atom boxes or Pd's comment), it is not visible in a subpath with a GOP.
here's a test patch
cheers
Em ter, 12 de fev de 2019 às 06:49, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.at escreveu:
On 12.02.19 06:28, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Hi folks, I'm working on cyclone/comment, the last object we need to
update
in cyclone, and I need help.
so what is the problem?
fgsmdr IOhannes
Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
since the external is not included i get a “…couldn’t create” in the console for comment, and not surprisingly it does not display…
On 12 Feb 2019, at 14:16, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com wrote:
The object is not visible in a GOP (graph on parent).
Unlike every other GUI object/external out there (and atom boxes or Pd's comment), it is not visible in a subpath with a GOP.
here's a test patch
cheers
Em ter, 12 de fev de 2019 às 06:49, IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig@iem.at mailto:zmoelnig@iem.at> escreveu: On 12.02.19 06:28, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Hi folks, I'm working on cyclone/comment, the last object we need to update in cyclone, and I need help.
so what is the problem?
fgsmdr IOhannes
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what do you mean it is not included? cause it's always been included! You can test this even with Pd Extended. How did you download and install it?
cheers
Em qua, 13 de fev de 2019 às 05:12, Simon Iten itensimon@gmail.com escreveu:
since the external is not included i get a “…couldn’t create” in the console for comment, and not surprisingly it does not display…
On 12 Feb 2019, at 14:16, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com wrote:
The object is not visible in a GOP (graph on parent).
Unlike every other GUI object/external out there (and atom boxes or Pd's comment), it is not visible in a subpath with a GOP.
here's a test patch
cheers
Em ter, 12 de fev de 2019 às 06:49, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.at escreveu:
On 12.02.19 06:28, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Hi folks, I'm working on cyclone/comment, the last object we need to
update
in cyclone, and I need help.
so what is the problem?
fgsmdr IOhannes
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I can only assume you're trying to load this object in purr data, if so, I have to say:
- This is not the pd-l2ork/purr data list :)
- All GUI objects in Purr Data had to be rewritten as it uses a different
programming language. So no GUI object written for Pure Data in tcl/tk works in Purr Data. Not only that, but other objects that are seemingly not a GUI (that is, they're a regular object box) may use tcl/tk and won't work in Purr either.
- Purr Data ported many (about most) of Pd Extended's objects, but they did
not port [comment], so it isn't included, and this is why I'm assuming you tried this there. There are other objects from cyclone that haven't been fully ported either as they use tcl/tk. Moreover, cyclone is outdated in Purr Data, so any developments and code from my repository in the last 3 years are not part of Purr Data. And again, even if it was the case that this had been ported and updated in Purr, it uses a different language, so it wouldn't be the case.
Other than that, if you're in Vanilla or Extended, I can't think of anything in this universe that would explain why you have cyclone with [comment] not included but other with objects working...
cheers
Em qua, 13 de fev de 2019 às 11:23, Alexandre Torres Porres < porres@gmail.com> escreveu:
what do you mean it is not included? cause it's always been included! You can test this even with Pd Extended. How did you download and install it?
cheers
Em qua, 13 de fev de 2019 às 05:12, Simon Iten itensimon@gmail.com escreveu:
since the external is not included i get a “…couldn’t create” in the console for comment, and not surprisingly it does not display…
On 12 Feb 2019, at 14:16, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com wrote:
The object is not visible in a GOP (graph on parent).
Unlike every other GUI object/external out there (and atom boxes or Pd's comment), it is not visible in a subpath with a GOP.
here's a test patch
cheers
Em ter, 12 de fev de 2019 às 06:49, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.at escreveu:
On 12.02.19 06:28, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Hi folks, I'm working on cyclone/comment, the last object we need to
update
in cyclone, and I need help.
so what is the problem?
fgsmdr IOhannes
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I think Simon was saying that he external was not included in the "Attach" of the "test patch" you send a couple of messages back in this thread.
:)
Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
On 2/13/2019 12:40 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: I can only assume you're trying to load this object in purr data, if so, I have to say:
- This is not the pd-l2ork/purr data list :)
- All GUI objects in Purr Data had to be rewritten as it uses a different programming language. So no GUI object written for Pure Data in tcl/tk works in Purr Data. Not only that, but other objects that are seemingly not a GUI (that is, they're a regular object box) may use tcl/tk and won't work in Purr either.
- Purr Data ported many (about most) of Pd Extended's objects, but they did not port [comment], so it isn't included, and this is why I'm assuming you tried this there. There are other objects from cyclone that haven't been fully ported either as they use tcl/tk. Moreover, cyclone is outdated in Purr Data, so any developments and code from my repository in the last 3 years are not part of Purr Data. And again, even if it was the case that this had been ported and updated in Purr, it uses a different language, so it wouldn't be the case.
Other than that, if you're in Vanilla or Extended, I can't think of anything in this universe that would explain why you have cyclone with [comment] not included but other with objects working...
cheers
Em qua, 13 de fev de 2019 às 11:23, Alexandre Torres Porres <porres@gmail.commailto:porres@gmail.com> escreveu: what do you mean it is not included? cause it's always been included! You can test this even with Pd Extended. How did you download and install it?
cheers
Em qua, 13 de fev de 2019 às 05:12, Simon Iten <itensimon@gmail.commailto:itensimon@gmail.com> escreveu: since the external is not included i get a “…couldn’t create” in the console for comment, and not surprisingly it does not display…
On 12 Feb 2019, at 14:16, Alexandre Torres Porres <porres@gmail.commailto:porres@gmail.com> wrote:
The object is not visible in a GOP (graph on parent).
Unlike every other GUI object/external out there (and atom boxes or Pd's comment), it is not visible in a subpath with a GOP.
here's a test patch
cheers
Em ter, 12 de fev de 2019 às 06:49, IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig@iem.atmailto:zmoelnig@iem.at> escreveu: On 12.02.19 06:28, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Hi folks, I'm working on cyclone/comment, the last object we need to update in cyclone, and I need help.
so what is the problem?
fgsmdr IOhannes
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oh, well, then cyclone is easily available via deken or here :) https://github.com/porres/pd-cyclone/releases/tag/cyclone0.3rc1 - we're only missing Linux32 and arm/pi binaries
Em qua, 13 de fev de 2019 às 13:56, Lucas Cordiviola lucarda27@hotmail.com escreveu:
I think Simon was saying that he external was not included in the "Attach" of the "test patch" you send a couple of messages back in this thread.
:)
Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
On 2/13/2019 12:40 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
I can only assume you're trying to load this object in purr data, if so, I have to say:
- This is not the pd-l2ork/purr data list :)
- All GUI objects in Purr Data had to be rewritten as it uses a different
programming language. So no GUI object written for Pure Data in tcl/tk works in Purr Data. Not only that, but other objects that are seemingly not a GUI (that is, they're a regular object box) may use tcl/tk and won't work in Purr either.
- Purr Data ported many (about most) of Pd Extended's objects, but they
did not port [comment], so it isn't included, and this is why I'm assuming you tried this there. There are other objects from cyclone that haven't been fully ported either as they use tcl/tk. Moreover, cyclone is outdated in Purr Data, so any developments and code from my repository in the last 3 years are not part of Purr Data. And again, even if it was the case that this had been ported and updated in Purr, it uses a different language, so it wouldn't be the case.
Other than that, if you're in Vanilla or Extended, I can't think of anything in this universe that would explain why you have cyclone with [comment] not included but other with objects working...
cheers
Em qua, 13 de fev de 2019 às 11:23, Alexandre Torres Porres < porres@gmail.com> escreveu:
what do you mean it is not included? cause it's always been included! You can test this even with Pd Extended. How did you download and install it?
cheers
Em qua, 13 de fev de 2019 às 05:12, Simon Iten itensimon@gmail.com escreveu:
since the external is not included i get a “…couldn’t create” in the console for comment, and not surprisingly it does not display…
On 12 Feb 2019, at 14:16, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com wrote:
The object is not visible in a GOP (graph on parent).
Unlike every other GUI object/external out there (and atom boxes or Pd's comment), it is not visible in a subpath with a GOP.
here's a test patch
cheers
Em ter, 12 de fev de 2019 às 06:49, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.at escreveu:
On 12.02.19 06:28, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Hi folks, I'm working on cyclone/comment, the last object we need to
update
in cyclone, and I need help.
so what is the problem?
fgsmdr IOhannes
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thanks, yes that was it. :-)
On 13 Feb 2019, at 16:56, Lucas Cordiviola lucarda27@hotmail.com wrote:
I think Simon was saying that he external was not included in the "Attach" of the "test patch" you send a couple of messages back in this thread.
:)
Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas. On 2/13/2019 12:40 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
I can only assume you're trying to load this object in purr data, if so, I have to say:
- This is not the pd-l2ork/purr data list :)
- All GUI objects in Purr Data had to be rewritten as it uses a different programming language. So no GUI object written for Pure Data in tcl/tk works in Purr Data. Not only that, but other objects that are seemingly not a GUI (that is, they're a regular object box) may use tcl/tk and won't work in Purr either.
- Purr Data ported many (about most) of Pd Extended's objects, but they did not port [comment], so it isn't included, and this is why I'm assuming you tried this there. There are other objects from cyclone that haven't been fully ported either as they use tcl/tk. Moreover, cyclone is outdated in Purr Data, so any developments and code from my repository in the last 3 years are not part of Purr Data. And again, even if it was the case that this had been ported and updated in Purr, it uses a different language, so it wouldn't be the case.
Other than that, if you're in Vanilla or Extended, I can't think of anything in this universe that would explain why you have cyclone with [comment] not included but other with objects working...
cheers
Em qua, 13 de fev de 2019 às 11:23, Alexandre Torres Porres <porres@gmail.com mailto:porres@gmail.com> escreveu: what do you mean it is not included? cause it's always been included! You can test this even with Pd Extended. How did you download and install it?
cheers
Em qua, 13 de fev de 2019 às 05:12, Simon Iten <itensimon@gmail.com mailto:itensimon@gmail.com> escreveu: since the external is not included i get a “…couldn’t create” in the console for comment, and not surprisingly it does not display…
On 12 Feb 2019, at 14:16, Alexandre Torres Porres <porres@gmail.com mailto:porres@gmail.com> wrote:
The object is not visible in a GOP (graph on parent).
Unlike every other GUI object/external out there (and atom boxes or Pd's comment), it is not visible in a subpath with a GOP.
here's a test patch
cheers
Em ter, 12 de fev de 2019 às 06:49, IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig@iem.at mailto:zmoelnig@iem.at> escreveu: On 12.02.19 06:28, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Hi folks, I'm working on cyclone/comment, the last object we need to update in cyclone, and I need help.
so what is the problem?
fgsmdr IOhannes
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and i would gladly test it, if the external would be included, but i have no intention to install the whole cyclone package.
On 13 Feb 2019, at 17:05, Simon Iten itensimon@gmail.com wrote:
thanks, yes that was it. :-)
On 13 Feb 2019, at 16:56, Lucas Cordiviola <lucarda27@hotmail.com mailto:lucarda27@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think Simon was saying that he external was not included in the "Attach" of the "test patch" you send a couple of messages back in this thread.
:)
Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas. On 2/13/2019 12:40 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
I can only assume you're trying to load this object in purr data, if so, I have to say:
- This is not the pd-l2ork/purr data list :)
- All GUI objects in Purr Data had to be rewritten as it uses a different programming language. So no GUI object written for Pure Data in tcl/tk works in Purr Data. Not only that, but other objects that are seemingly not a GUI (that is, they're a regular object box) may use tcl/tk and won't work in Purr either.
- Purr Data ported many (about most) of Pd Extended's objects, but they did not port [comment], so it isn't included, and this is why I'm assuming you tried this there. There are other objects from cyclone that haven't been fully ported either as they use tcl/tk. Moreover, cyclone is outdated in Purr Data, so any developments and code from my repository in the last 3 years are not part of Purr Data. And again, even if it was the case that this had been ported and updated in Purr, it uses a different language, so it wouldn't be the case.
Other than that, if you're in Vanilla or Extended, I can't think of anything in this universe that would explain why you have cyclone with [comment] not included but other with objects working...
cheers
Em qua, 13 de fev de 2019 às 11:23, Alexandre Torres Porres <porres@gmail.com mailto:porres@gmail.com> escreveu: what do you mean it is not included? cause it's always been included! You can test this even with Pd Extended. How did you download and install it?
cheers
Em qua, 13 de fev de 2019 às 05:12, Simon Iten <itensimon@gmail.com mailto:itensimon@gmail.com> escreveu: since the external is not included i get a “…couldn’t create” in the console for comment, and not surprisingly it does not display…
On 12 Feb 2019, at 14:16, Alexandre Torres Porres <porres@gmail.com mailto:porres@gmail.com> wrote:
The object is not visible in a GOP (graph on parent).
Unlike every other GUI object/external out there (and atom boxes or Pd's comment), it is not visible in a subpath with a GOP.
here's a test patch
cheers
Em ter, 12 de fev de 2019 às 06:49, IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig@iem.at mailto:zmoelnig@iem.at> escreveu: On 12.02.19 06:28, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Hi folks, I'm working on cyclone/comment, the last object we need to update in cyclone, and I need help.
so what is the problem?
fgsmdr IOhannes
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There's no need to test it, it's been tested and it ain't visible inside a subpatch with GOP, no doubt about it. I just needed help in the code to figure out how to make it visible or what's wrong with it: https://github.com/porres/pd-cyclone/blob/master/cyclone_ objects/binaries/control/comment.c - a test patch makes more sense if you were trying to edit this code and see if it'd work after compiling it.
My best guess was to comment out line 455 - if (glist->gl_havewindow) - in the comment_vis method, but that wasn't it, and all the other attempts I did were more gratuitous guesses that led nowhere.
Still trying to figure it out though
cheers
Em qua, 13 de fev de 2019 às 14:57, Simon Iten itensimon@gmail.com escreveu:
and i would gladly test it, if the external would be included, but i have no intention to install the whole cyclone package.
On 13 Feb 2019, at 17:05, Simon Iten itensimon@gmail.com wrote:
thanks, yes that was it. :-)
On 13 Feb 2019, at 16:56, Lucas Cordiviola lucarda27@hotmail.com wrote:
I think Simon was saying that he external was not included in the "Attach" of the "test patch" you send a couple of messages back in this thread.
:)
Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
On 2/13/2019 12:40 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
I can only assume you're trying to load this object in purr data, if so, I have to say:
- This is not the pd-l2ork/purr data list :)
- All GUI objects in Purr Data had to be rewritten as it uses a different
programming language. So no GUI object written for Pure Data in tcl/tk works in Purr Data. Not only that, but other objects that are seemingly not a GUI (that is, they're a regular object box) may use tcl/tk and won't work in Purr either.
- Purr Data ported many (about most) of Pd Extended's objects, but they
did not port [comment], so it isn't included, and this is why I'm assuming you tried this there. There are other objects from cyclone that haven't been fully ported either as they use tcl/tk. Moreover, cyclone is outdated in Purr Data, so any developments and code from my repository in the last 3 years are not part of Purr Data. And again, even if it was the case that this had been ported and updated in Purr, it uses a different language, so it wouldn't be the case.
Other than that, if you're in Vanilla or Extended, I can't think of anything in this universe that would explain why you have cyclone with [comment] not included but other with objects working...
cheers
Em qua, 13 de fev de 2019 às 11:23, Alexandre Torres Porres < porres@gmail.com> escreveu:
what do you mean it is not included? cause it's always been included! You can test this even with Pd Extended. How did you download and install it?
cheers
Em qua, 13 de fev de 2019 às 05:12, Simon Iten itensimon@gmail.com escreveu:
since the external is not included i get a “…couldn’t create” in the console for comment, and not surprisingly it does not display…
On 12 Feb 2019, at 14:16, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com wrote:
The object is not visible in a GOP (graph on parent).
Unlike every other GUI object/external out there (and atom boxes or Pd's comment), it is not visible in a subpath with a GOP.
here's a test patch
cheers
Em ter, 12 de fev de 2019 às 06:49, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.at escreveu:
On 12.02.19 06:28, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Hi folks, I'm working on cyclone/comment, the last object we need to
update
in cyclone, and I need help.
so what is the problem?
fgsmdr IOhannes
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SOLVED!
Em qua, 13 de fev de 2019 às 15:30, Alexandre Torres Porres < porres@gmail.com> escreveu:
My best guess was to comment out line 455 - if (glist->gl_havewindow) - in the comment_vis method, but that wasn't it, and all the other attempts I did were more gratuitous guesses that led nowhere.
I was close! If I also comment out the if (!glist->gl_havewindow) function set in line 331, it shows up!!!
Now I need more experiments so I can better understand all this. But hey, did it!
Thanks anyway! If anyone has more guides and hints on learning how to code GUIs, I'd appreciate it.
cheers
Hey Alexandre,
Glad you got it sorted.
Hope you don't mind me saying... it's not good form to be dissing those offering assistance (esp. when asking for more help). Wouldn't have troubled you to just upload the object, and your responses came over a bit arsey to be honest (though am sure they weren't meant to be:).
Peace amigo,
Julian
On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 at 18:15, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com wrote:
SOLVED!
Em qua, 13 de fev de 2019 às 15:30, Alexandre Torres Porres < porres@gmail.com> escreveu:
My best guess was to comment out line 455 - if (glist->gl_havewindow) - in the comment_vis method, but that wasn't it, and all the other attempts I did were more gratuitous guesses that led nowhere.
I was close! If I also comment out the if (!glist->gl_havewindow) function set in line 331, it shows up!!!
Now I need more experiments so I can better understand all this. But hey, did it!
Thanks anyway! If anyone has more guides and hints on learning how to code GUIs, I'd appreciate it.
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I can see that my messages are not appearing on the "Archives By Date" even if people that had reply to me are already "Archived", then 30min later when I receive my mail I re-check the archive and it appears there in the correct sequence (before the replies).
I suspect I'm not the only one experiencing this.
Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
I've noticed that mails of others show up late in my inbox. Often I see replies to such an e-mail before I can read it. (maybe this happens when a mail is sent both to a personal address and the pd-list: the recipient receives the e-mail immediately but it shows up in the list only after some minutes). occasionally, I've witnessed e-mails to the pd-list getting delayed by hours. I don't know, though, if the problem is in the Pd-list server or in my e-mail server (GMX is crap).
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Februar 2019 um 17:50 Uhr Von: "Lucas Cordiviola" lucarda27@hotmail.com An: "pd-list@lists.iem.at" pd-list@lists.iem.at Betreff: [PD] Long delays when writing to this list.
Since 2019 I'm experiencing 30min delays when writing to this list. Normally I can see my message back in the list around 1 minute after sending it.
I can see that my messages are not appearing on the "Archives By Date" even if people that had reply to me are already "Archived", then 30min later when I receive my mail I re-check the archive and it appears there in the correct sequence (before the replies).
I suspect I'm not the only one experiencing this.
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It started happening to me on January 2019.
I suspect is something on the Pd-list mail server.
I use thunderbird+hotmail. I also have other mail accounts on thunderbird and pinging between them gives me short delays.
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On 2/13/2019 2:04 PM, Christof Ressi wrote:
I've noticed that mails of others show up late in my inbox. Often I see replies to such an e-mail before I can read it. (maybe this happens when a mail is sent both to a personal address and the pd-list: the recipient receives the e-mail immediately but it shows up in the list only after some minutes). occasionally, I've witnessed e-mails to the pd-list getting delayed by hours. I don't know, though, if the problem is in the Pd-list server or in my e-mail server (GMX is crap).
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Februar 2019 um 17:50 Uhr Von: "Lucas Cordiviola" lucarda27@hotmail.com An: "pd-list@lists.iem.at" pd-list@lists.iem.at Betreff: [PD] Long delays when writing to this list.
Since 2019 I'm experiencing 30min delays when writing to this list. Normally I can see my message back in the list around 1 minute after sending it.
I can see that my messages are not appearing on the "Archives By Date" even if people that had reply to me are already "Archived", then 30min later when I receive my mail I re-check the archive and it appears there in the correct sequence (before the replies).
I suspect I'm not the only one experiencing this.
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hi,
please do not hijack unrelated threads. please do not hijack unrelated threads with OT topics.
On 13.02.19 18:15, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
It started happening to me on January 2019.
I suspect is something on the Pd-list mail server.
definitely not.
we didn't really change anything on the mail infrastructure in the last few weeks.
however, we (the iem) are using greylisting to drastically reduce spam (that's on an intermediate mailserver, before the Pd-list mail server receives any email).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting
the Pd related mailinglists have been protected by greylisting for years (so this is nothing new on our side).
greylisting can result in a delivery delay, which can get longer if the *sender* (in your case hotmail/outlook/microsoft)
- uses a rather long timeout between delivery attempts
- uses different outgoing mailservers for multiple delivery attempts
greylisting is adaptive, so once the system learns that a given outgoing mailserver sends legitimate email from userA to userB, the greylisting step is skipped and the email gets through instantaneous.
one thing that might have happened, is that hotmail set up a bunch of new outgoing mailhosts at the beginning of 2019. thus our system has to re-learn the new hotmail servers and this might lead to the delayed delivery.
for what it is worth, the email i'm replying to has the following interesting headers (shortened the lines for readability):
Delivery-date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:18:19 +0100
Received: from proxmox.iemnet [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:18:19 +0100
Received: from mailgate.iem.at [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:18:18 +0100 (CET)
Received: from mail.puredata.info [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:18:13 +0100
(CET)
Received: from localhost [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:15:48 +0100
Received: from inf178.kug.ac.at [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:15:42 +0100
Received: from mailgate.iem.at [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:15:41 +0100 (CET)
Received: from mail.iem.at [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:15:38 +0100 (CET)
Received: from proxmox.iemnet [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:15:38 +0100
Received: from mailgate.iem.at [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:15:38 +0100 (CET)
Received: from NAM02-BL2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com [...]; Wed,
13 Feb 2019 18:15:33 +0100 (CET)
Received: from BL2NAM02FT029.eop-nam02.prod.protection.outlook.com
[...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 17:15:31 +0000
Received: from BN3PR01MB1956.prod.exchangelabs.com [...]; Wed, 13 Feb
2019 17:15:31 +0000
Received: from BN3PR01MB1956.prod.exchangelabs.com [...]; Wed, 13 Feb
2019 17:15:31 +0000
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 17:15:31 +0000
which basically means (if you read it from bottom to top)
- you hit the "send" button at 17:15:31GMT
- our mailgateway (that does any greylisting), received the email at
17:15:38GMT
- the Pd-list server received the email at 17:15:48GMT
- i had the mail at 17:18:19GMT in my inbox
which is a <3 minute delay, which i find quite acceptable.
fgsdmr IOhannes
please do not hijack unrelated threads.
Yes, sorry, my bad.
one thing that might have happened, is that hotmail set up a bunch of new outgoing mailhosts at the beginning of 2019. thus our system has to re-learn the new hotmail servers and this might lead to the delayed delivery.
That might explain my problem. Thanks for the explanation.
Hope my situation is back to normality soon.
I'll use this mail also as a test.
:)
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On 2/14/2019 6:16 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
hi,
please do not hijack unrelated threads. please do not hijack unrelated threads with OT topics.
On 13.02.19 18:15, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
It started happening to me on January 2019.
I suspect is something on the Pd-list mail server.
definitely not.
we didn't really change anything on the mail infrastructure in the last few weeks.
however, we (the iem) are using greylisting to drastically reduce spam (that's on an intermediate mailserver, before the Pd-list mail server receives any email).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting
the Pd related mailinglists have been protected by greylisting for years (so this is nothing new on our side).
greylisting can result in a delivery delay, which can get longer if the *sender* (in your case hotmail/outlook/microsoft)
- uses a rather long timeout between delivery attempts
- uses different outgoing mailservers for multiple delivery attempts
greylisting is adaptive, so once the system learns that a given outgoing mailserver sends legitimate email from userA to userB, the greylisting step is skipped and the email gets through instantaneous.
one thing that might have happened, is that hotmail set up a bunch of new outgoing mailhosts at the beginning of 2019. thus our system has to re-learn the new hotmail servers and this might lead to the delayed delivery.
for what it is worth, the email i'm replying to has the following interesting headers (shortened the lines for readability):
Delivery-date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:18:19 +0100
Received: from proxmox.iemnet [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:18:19 +0100
Received: from mailgate.iem.at [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:18:18 +0100 (CET)
Received: from mail.puredata.info [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:18:13 +0100
(CET)
Received: from localhost [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:15:48 +0100
Received: from inf178.kug.ac.at [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:15:42 +0100
Received: from mailgate.iem.at [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:15:41 +0100 (CET)
Received: from mail.iem.at [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:15:38 +0100 (CET)
Received: from proxmox.iemnet [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:15:38 +0100
Received: from mailgate.iem.at [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:15:38 +0100 (CET)
Received: from NAM02-BL2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com [...]; Wed,
13 Feb 2019 18:15:33 +0100 (CET)
Received: from BL2NAM02FT029.eop-nam02.prod.protection.outlook.com
[...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 17:15:31 +0000
Received: from BN3PR01MB1956.prod.exchangelabs.com [...]; Wed, 13 Feb
2019 17:15:31 +0000
Received: from BN3PR01MB1956.prod.exchangelabs.com [...]; Wed, 13 Feb
2019 17:15:31 +0000
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 17:15:31 +0000
which basically means (if you read it from bottom to top)
- you hit the "send" button at 17:15:31GMT
- our mailgateway (that does any greylisting), received the email at
17:15:38GMT
- the Pd-list server received the email at 17:15:48GMT
- i had the mail at 17:18:19GMT in my inbox
which is a <3 minute delay, which i find quite acceptable.
fgsdmr IOhannes
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I'll use this mail also as a test.
This was sent 11:25 and arrived 11:43.
I can live with it, hope soon becames faster as it used to.
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On 2/14/2019 11:25 AM, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
please do not hijack unrelated threads.
Yes, sorry, my bad.
one thing that might have happened, is that hotmail set up a bunch of new outgoing mailhosts at the beginning of 2019. thus our system has to re-learn the new hotmail servers and this might lead to the delayed delivery.
That might explain my problem. Thanks for the explanation.
Hope my situation is back to normality soon.
I'll use this mail also as a test.
:)
Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
On 2/14/2019 6:16 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
hi,
please do not hijack unrelated threads. please do not hijack unrelated threads with OT topics.
On 13.02.19 18:15, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
It started happening to me on January 2019.
I suspect is something on the Pd-list mail server.
definitely not.
we didn't really change anything on the mail infrastructure in the last few weeks.
however, we (the iem) are using greylisting to drastically reduce spam (that's on an intermediate mailserver, before the Pd-list mail server receives any email).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting
the Pd related mailinglists have been protected by greylisting for years (so this is nothing new on our side).
greylisting can result in a delivery delay, which can get longer if the *sender* (in your case hotmail/outlook/microsoft)
- uses a rather long timeout between delivery attempts
- uses different outgoing mailservers for multiple delivery attempts
greylisting is adaptive, so once the system learns that a given outgoing mailserver sends legitimate email from userA to userB, the greylisting step is skipped and the email gets through instantaneous.
one thing that might have happened, is that hotmail set up a bunch of new outgoing mailhosts at the beginning of 2019. thus our system has to re-learn the new hotmail servers and this might lead to the delayed delivery.
for what it is worth, the email i'm replying to has the following interesting headers (shortened the lines for readability):
Delivery-date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:18:19 +0100
Received: from proxmox.iemnet [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:18:19 +0100
Received: from mailgate.iem.at [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:18:18 +0100 (CET)
Received: from mail.puredata.info [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:18:13 +0100
(CET)
Received: from localhost [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:15:48 +0100
Received: from inf178.kug.ac.at [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:15:42 +0100
Received: from mailgate.iem.at [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:15:41 +0100 (CET)
Received: from mail.iem.at [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:15:38 +0100 (CET)
Received: from proxmox.iemnet [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:15:38 +0100
Received: from mailgate.iem.at [...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:15:38 +0100 (CET)
Received: from NAM02-BL2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com [...]; Wed,
13 Feb 2019 18:15:33 +0100 (CET)
Received: from BL2NAM02FT029.eop-nam02.prod.protection.outlook.com
[...]; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 17:15:31 +0000
Received: from BN3PR01MB1956.prod.exchangelabs.com [...]; Wed, 13 Feb
2019 17:15:31 +0000
Received: from BN3PR01MB1956.prod.exchangelabs.com [...]; Wed, 13 Feb
2019 17:15:31 +0000
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 17:15:31 +0000
which basically means (if you read it from bottom to top)
- you hit the "send" button at 17:15:31GMT
- our mailgateway (that does any greylisting), received the email at
17:15:38GMT
- the Pd-list server received the email at 17:15:48GMT
- i had the mail at 17:18:19GMT in my inbox
which is a <3 minute delay, which i find quite acceptable.
fgsdmr IOhannes
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