I had a conversation with a PD developer who suggested that a majority of actual PD users (not developers) are on WinCrap. I'm not sure if this is worldwide, or more in the USA. egardless, based on what I see on the list here, it appears that most developers are on Linux exclusively. This causes some serious splits and problems for the community.

At least here, all PC's come with Wincrap, so it's certainly more accessible to the average person. The average working person is surely not going to have enough knowledge to run a Linux OS. I'm far above average and I always run into problems. Yes, it's the fault of monopoly capitalism that this is so - but this is hardly the fault of the average person, and OS elitism is not going to help or change things.

I suggest, that developers ought to consider forming teams, and find people who will help with alternative operating systems not available to them. If it's not really viable to compile something for all systems, so be it - but I wonder if in many cases, it's more the case that Linux developers just don't care about the other OS's.

Btw, if someone can tell me where I can learn to compile for win32, I might even be willing to participate in such things. I coded a little C++, but I just remember clicking on something in my IDE and the compiled program came out. I'm quite certain it's harder than that. And, if some expensive commercial software is needed for this task, I have no problem stealing the software to do this (assuming it's from a big company).

In regards to Pure:Dyne. I tried a recent version two days ago.

First of all, it looks really cool. So far so good.

But, as is so typical in the Open Source world, there's almost no documentation. When I try to open PD, nothing happens. Fluxus did open, however. So, once again, I'm stuck. If anybody knows how the stuff works, that would be very nice.

~David

On 9/7/06, Frank Barknecht fbar@footils.org wrote:

Hallo, Javier García hat gesagt: // Javier García wrote:

...

a week ago, a user of this list gave this link,

http://artefacte.org/pd/

to have a grid for triggering videos in our pd patches.

The problem about it (at least for me) is it works only with Linux.

Is there any way to make ALL "things" for puredata to run them always indepently of the platform?

If yes? Why some people do it that way?

Many people don't have MS-Windows machines. I don't. Many other people don't have Mac-machines and many people don't have Linux machines. So it's hard to offer binaries for all three operating systems for a single person.

What many developers do provide is the source code. Most of the time the source code can be made to compile and run on every of the three major operating systems. I guess it is possible for the videogrid as well, but I didn't check. I don't own MS-Windows anyways.

So if you don't want to wait for someone else to compile for whatever operating system you use, one way out would be to learn how to compile source code and how to install the neccessary compiler environment yourself.

I know, this isn't a perfect advice, but if you for a moment think about us Linux users: We cannot even get the source code to a lot of the MS-Windows or Mac applications (like Max/MSP, Reactor, vvvv etc.) so we don't even have the chance to make it run natively on the OS we use.

(Of course another solution may be to run Linux. With pure:dyne this doesn't even require a harddisk installation.)

Ciao

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Hi David,

PureDyne does look very nice.

It seems to work for me if I open a terminal window and start it from
the command line.

Best, p

On Sep 7, 2006, at 4:09 PM, David Powers wrote:

I When I try to open PD, nothing happens. Fluxus did open, however. So, once again, I'm stuck. If anybody knows how the stuff works, that would be very nice.

~David

But instead of working as an unpaid help desk for Microsoft's products I decided to work as an unpaid help desk for people struggling with running Linux and other open source software.

I see this as the opposite of elitism.

so simple.

Come together and be welcome. We got nothing to hide.

On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, David Powers wrote:

Yes, it's the fault of monopoly capitalism that this is so

Tell me who is approving this monopoly. Tell me who is encouraging this monopoly. Then tell me again whose fault it is.

but this is hardly the fault of the average person,

The average person has no faults, if virtue is redefined as average.

and OS elitism is not going to help or change things.

The majority is the elite. No matter how shielded I am from the influence of Windows users, I still get pressured into switching to Windows. The OS elitism of hardware manufacturers isn't going to help me get drivers for Linux.

I suggest, that developers ought to consider forming teams,

Developers already do that when there are enough of them. A common obstacle is projects that don't have enough developers.

Another problem for non-Linux users is that people who care a lot about PureData have a greater tendency to switch to Linux. BTW the upcoming 100-hour Pd workshop starts by 15 hours about installing and using Linux on a Mac, and that decision is *NOT* coming from the techies.

If it's not really viable to compile something for all systems, so be it

• but I wonder if in many cases, it's more the case that Linux

developers just don't care about the other OS's.

They don't have to care about the other OS's. They don't have a duty to care about the other OS's. Users of other OS's don't care much about the users of other OS's either.

But, as is so typical in the Open Source world, there's almost no documentation.

Do you mean that you can't find the documentation that you're looking for, and you are frustrated about it? How do you know it's not documented? What are your needs in particular?

When I try to open PD, nothing happens. If anybody knows how the stuff works, that would be very nice.

Have you tried reporting and explaining the problem to the authors?

Have you tried the chatline? join #pure:dyne on IRC.Goto10.ORG

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On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Alexandre Matheson wrote:

On 7-Sep-06, at 8:19 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:

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the upcoming 100-hour Pd workshop starts by 15 hours about installing and using Linux on a Mac, and that decision is *NOT* coming from the techies.

Really, I'm very interested in this. I installed ubuntu on my g5 but got very annoyed when I couldn't get airport up and running so I could grab pd and other things off the internet. I know an internet connection isn't manditory for PD to run but it is a pretty crippling thing to not have.

Ubuntu is really changing quick. The last install I made felt quite different from the install I made last year. (or maybe I just don't remember last year's install ;-)

Please send me an outline if you can what the workshop will consist of.

We plan to put the course outline on http://wiki.dataflow.ws/FormationTeddi - currently only the electronics (Arduino) section of the outline is on the wiki.

Besides, the registration of participants to the workshop is already closed. If you want to get in, you could try to arrange something special with the organizers, but I can't guarantee anything.

_ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801 - http://artengine.ca/matju | Freelance Digital Arts Engineer, Montréal QC Canada