I am trying to run gem with Red Hat linux but whenever
I run the 'install.sh' file from the gem directory it
says that it cannot create the directories, here what
is displayed,
[root@localhost gem]# ls
GEM.LICENSE.TERMS GEM_INSTALL.sh GnuGPL.LICENSE
examples GEM.README Gem.pd_irix5 doc
help
[root@localhost gem]# ./GEM_INSTALL.shInstalling
GEM...
mkdir: cannot create directory ../doc/gem_advanced': No such file or directory mkdir: cannot create directory../doc/gem_basic': No
suchfile or directory
mkdir: cannot create directory ../doc/gem_io': Nosuch file or directory mkdir: cannot create directory../doc/gem_lighting':No such file or directory
mkdir: cannot create directory
../doc/gem_particle':No such file or directory mkdir: cannot create directory../doc/gem_pix':
Nosuch file or directory
mkdir: cannot create directory ../doc/gem_texture':No such file or directory mkdir: cannot create directory../doc/gem.manual':
Nosuch file or directory
mkdir: cannot create directory
../doc/gem.reference':No such file or directory Copying examples...cp: copying multiple files, but last argument (../doc/gem_advanced) is not a directory Trycp --help' for more information.....etc..
I'm sure that it is something simple but as an iliterate linux user I'm stumped! Cheers, Rory.
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Hi Rory,
One *can* run GEM on Linux, if you had a Debian distribution it would be as easy as installing the package, otherwise you have .. you already guessed it .. to compile it yourself.
Compiling GEM on Linux is a really advanced task. Even for advanced Linux users. So I guess you don't want to do it.
Anyhow if you still want to try, ftp://xdv.org/pub/gige/gem/gem-0.84-6.tar.gz
within that look into the GEM.LINUX or src/Gnu/README.build files.
I will be away next week, so I can't really help you, .. during that time.
Guenter
On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, [iso-8859-1] Rory Walsh wrote:
I am trying to run gem with Red Hat linux but whenever I run the 'install.sh' file from the gem directory it says that it cannot create the directories, here what is displayed, [root@localhost gem]# ls GEM.LICENSE.TERMS GEM_INSTALL.sh GnuGPL.LICENSE examples GEM.README Gem.pd_irix5 doc
help [root@localhost gem]# ./GEM_INSTALL.shInstalling GEM... mkdir: cannot create directory../doc/gem_advanced': No such file or directory mkdir: cannot create directory../doc/gem_basic': No suchfile or directory mkdir: cannot create directory../doc/gem_io': Nosuch file or directory mkdir: cannot create directory../doc/gem_lighting':No such file or directory mkdir: cannot create directory../doc/gem_particle':No such file or directory mkdir: cannot create directory../doc/gem_pix': Nosuch file or directory mkdir: cannot create directory../doc/gem_texture':No such file or directory mkdir: cannot create directory../doc/gem.manual': Nosuch file or directory mkdir: cannot create directory../doc/gem.reference':No such file or directory Copying examples...cp: copying multiple files, but last argument (../doc/gem_advanced) is not a directory Trycp --help' for more information.....etc..I'm sure that it is something simple but as an iliterate linux user I'm stumped! Cheers, Rory.
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I am running pd with redhat and I was wondering where I can get Gem for linux. The few packages I have tried are all for Debian distribution whichc I don't have. I am running redhat 7.1. Guenter suggested ftp://xdv.org/pub/gige/gem/gem-0.84-6.tar.gz but I have not been able to reach that link? Anyone any suggestions?
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hi
the iem tries to keep some externals on it's ftp-site ftp://iem.kug.ac.at/pd/Externals/GEM/LINUX/
another try might be http://www.pure-data.org
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Rory Walsh wrote:
I am running pd with redhat and I was wondering where I can get Gem for linux. The few packages I have tried are all for Debian distribution whichc I don't have. I am running redhat 7.1. Guenter suggested ftp://xdv.org/pub/gige/gem/gem-0.84-6.tar.gz but I have not been able to reach that link? Anyone any suggestions?
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Rory Walsh wrote:
I am running pd with redhat and I was wondering where I can get Gem for linux. The few packages I have tried are all for Debian distribution whichc I don't have. I am running redhat 7.1. Guenter suggested ftp://xdv.org/pub/gige/gem/gem-0.84-6.tar.gz but I have not been able to reach that link? Anyone any suggestions?
How many times did you try ? When did you try ?
Guenter
I just downloaded the file today, I was not able to download it lastweek? the last day I tried before today was friday and I could not make the connection? Anyway I have step 1 of Gem for linux complete, I have the file successfully downloaded! Before I start downloading the prerequisites, is there a specific directory that i should install them in? Actually before I throw myself into this messy situation of trying to compile gem myself I have to ask is it worth it? I am running gem on windows with this machine(pentium II 32mb ram) and it is very slow, I am not even getting proper color although I suspect this has to do with my graphics card, I'm not sure what it is, it's just a standard one that came with the computer. I also run redhat on the same machine, but if the problem of performance is to do with a useless graphics card is there any point in trying to compile it for linux? Will the poor graphics card hinder the performance there also?
your gratefully, Rory.
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Rory Walsh hat gesagt: // Rory Walsh wrote:
I am running gem on windows with this machine(pentium II 32mb ram) and it is very slow, I am not even getting proper color although I suspect this has to do with my graphics card, I'm not sure what it is, it's just a standard one that came with the computer. I also run redhat on the same machine, but if the problem of performance is to do with a useless graphics card is there any point in trying to compile it for linux? Will the poor graphics card hinder the performance there also?
You really should get a card that has hardware support for OpenGL rendering otherwise things might run very slow. If you want hardware support for linux, too, you will have to get an Nvidia card or a Matrox G4xx (which I would prefer in an audio machine)
bye,
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Rory Walsh hat gesagt: // Rory Walsh wrote:
I am running gem on windows with this machine(pentium II 32mb ram) and it is very slow, I am not even getting proper color although I suspect this has to do with my graphics card, I'm not sure what it is, it's just a standard one that came with the computer. I also run redhat on the same machine, but if the problem of performance is to do with a useless graphics card is there any point in trying to compile it for linux? Will the poor graphics card hinder the performance there also?
You really should get a card that has hardware support for OpenGL rendering otherwise things might run very slow. If you want hardware support for linux, too, you will have to get an Nvidia card or a Matrox G4xx (which I would prefer in an audio machine)
Why do you prefer the G4xx card in an audio machine? I have a G450 that happily causes all fo the problems with audio that an impolite video card can :(
Karl
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Frank Barknecht wrote:
You really should get a card that has hardware support for OpenGL rendering otherwise things might run very slow. If you want hardware support for linux, too, you will have to get an Nvidia card or a Matrox G4xx (which I would prefer in an audio machine)
Why do you prefer the G4xx card in an audio machine? I have a G450 that happily causes all fo the problems with audio that an impolite video card can :(
Mostly because of their open-sourceness. I also found, that some audio mags recommend G400 cards for audio workstations, but that is Windows-World, and I don't feel comfortable there.
Did you try setting Option "PciRetry" "off" in your XF86Config?
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this is all good info since i'm setting up a linux box right now for pd/GEM and have yet to buy a video card. here are my questions at this point:
- does nVidia offer a 'dual head' card like the matrox 400/450? i
would prefer to have a s-video out for the GEM info on the card as well.
- is anyone using two video cards in linux? is this possible to do?
any further info would help me (and others) out a lot.
thanks chris
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Doesn't nVidia provide only binary drivers? I prefer Matrox, they give out specs and let the community do the coding. bye,
I agree on that, and the free drivers are more stable too, but if you really have to go for speed ...... use nVidia
a fine card is the 3DProphet Hercules MX. it's a geforce II [nvidia chipset] 32 or 64 MB of fast graphics ram and has a dual display with tv out. it's cheap where i live - don't know how they fare where you are. the wide popularity of this card amongst gamers sould ensure you'll get the drivers you need - though i know that linux also likes this card under the generic nvidia driver.
find more at
http://www.hercules-uk.com/products/graphic/dual/dual_info.html
it's also a lovely metallic blue colour
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----- Original Message ----- From: "chris clepper" cclepper@artic.edu To: pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Sent: Wednesday, 18 July 2001 6:18 Subject: [PD] video cards
this is all good info since i'm setting up a linux box right now for pd/GEM and have yet to buy a video card. here are my questions at this point:
- does nVidia offer a 'dual head' card like the matrox 400/450? i
would prefer to have a s-video out for the GEM info on the card as well.
- is anyone using two video cards in linux? is this possible to do?
any further info would help me (and others) out a lot.
thanks chris
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Doesn't nVidia provide only binary drivers? I prefer Matrox, they give
out
specs and let the community do the coding. bye,
I agree on that, and the free drivers are more stable too, but if you really have to go for speed ...... use nVidia
Hi
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See: http://www.reverberant.com/pd
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Sounds good and i'm very interested in the dual display option, does it have a tv/video in port to capture movieclips? Regards, Rory.
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Sounds good and i'm very interested in the dual display option, does it have a tv/video in port to capture movieclips?
no the hercules doesn't have an 'in' of any sort. though you can mess with a tv card to do this - it works for a friend of mine just fine ; ) the next best solution for a leaner/meaner video signal is of course a video capture card itself - and i don't know how they fare under linux in that you may be able to get the card outputting svga / 32 bit colour etc but you may not get the capture facility therein. also video capture this way is reliant on a capture application to organise and or attenuate the input. lookup asus.com to see whether their range of dual head / tv out capture cards have linux support.
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Sounds good and i'm very interested in the dual display option, does it have a tv/video in port to capture movieclips?
no the hercules doesn't have an 'in' of any sort. though you can mess with a tv card to do this - it works for a friend of mine just fine ; ) the next best solution for a leaner/meaner video signal
i am using my asus-v6600deluxe (nvidia's geforce256) which has tv-out and video-in (but is not dual-headed) there are no drivers that support the tv-out under linux, but plugging off the monitor before booting the system will make the card auto-detect the tv-out and use this one.
the video-in is not so simple (at least for me). there appears to be a philips sa47xx (or anything, i keep forgetting this) decoder-chip, which ought to be supported somehow by video4linux. the system recognises the chip (witch cat /proc/pci) but i have never managed to make it work with video4linux. so i would recommend to buy a separate capture-card (under linux) to do video-grabbing. do buy a cheap one. pe my dv500 (900,- U$ or something) is not supported by linux either, so i have 3 capture-devices under windos (2*analog, 1*digital), one of which i can use under Gem (the video-in of the gfx-card) but none under linux. it's a pity
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Is there anyone out there that can reccommend a good C programming site/book which deals with audio/midi? It's like this, I am teaching myself C and if I program another database I will go crazy! All I want to do is to be able to get a sound from my speaker and take it from there, if I could write a simple C program that plays a melody I would jump with glee, but I can't seem to find any material on it, can anyone please help me and point me in the right direction?
p.s. i would prefer to be working in windows however if someone can convert me to work n linux i'm all ears!
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Hi Rory,
I don't know that much about audio but could give you some advice with midi programming under Win.
First of all, there is the 'Microsoft Multimedia Reference' helpfile that is included with e.g. Borland C++ Builder. It might (should ofcourse) also be included with MS VC++ or others, if not I could email it to you. This file discribes how to deal with midi/audio drivers under Win (opening, closing, accessing, ... devices).
I also could send you some simple midi programms' source code that does funny things with relatively easy to understand code. Basicly timing is most difficult, because you need some sort of callback function that is controlled by the system's timer.
There are some books available dealing with this topics, but I don't know any english books in detail. On the other hand it depends on what you are planing to do. 'Computer music' by Dodge/Jerse contains some code exapamles of functions that could be used to generate notes / melodies, but nothing about midi/audio handling in general.
If you want to have any of the files mentioned or need more information, just let me know!
Olaf
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Rory Walsh schrieb:
Is there anyone out there that can reccommend a good C programming site/book which deals with audio/midi? It's like this, I am teaching myself C and if I program another database I will go crazy! All I want to do is to be able to get a sound from my speaker and take it from there, if I could write a simple C program that plays a melody I would jump with glee, but I can't seem to find any material on it, can anyone please help me and point me in the right direction?
p.s. i would prefer to be working in windows however if someone can convert me to work n linux i'm all ears!
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That would be great! I would just like to get started at something very simple and work from there! Any simple code would be great, I would really appreciate it!
Cheers! Rory.
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If a graphics card has a tv/vcr output can it be used for dual display? And how do the pci cards compare to the AGP cards, my computer does not have an APG slot so I'll have to get a pci card, are they much slower? I believe that the AGP cards connect directly to the main RAM to speed up performance? Is this correct?
Thanks for all the advice! Rory.
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Rory Walsh wrote:
If a graphics card has a tv/vcr output can it be used for dual display?
Yes.
And how do the pci cards compare to the AGP cards, my computer does not have an APG slot so I'll have to get a pci card, are they much slower?
For ordinary 2D graphics, there's not much difference.
You need a Matrox G450 PCI: http://www.matrox.com/mga/products/mill_g450/pci.cfm
Marc
enter the matrox-killer [note cape and clock speed]:
http://au.hercules.com/products/3dp2_mxddv/features_3dp2_mxddv.php
Yes.
And how do the pci cards compare to the AGP cards, my computer does not have an APG slot so I'll have to get a pci card, are they much slower?
For ordinary 2D graphics, there's not much difference.
You need a Matrox G450 PCI: http://www.matrox.com/mga/products/mill_g450/pci.cfm
Marc
delire wrote:
enter the matrox-killer [note cape and clock speed]:
http://au.hercules.com/products/3dp2_mxddv/features_3dp2_mxddv.php
This card is AGP, and Rory asked about a PCI card.
The Matrox cards are better for one trivial reason: the Matrox drivers are open sourced and the Linux support is better. Also, the G450 second monitor can be VGA or video. Is the Prophet video out works under Linux? I prefer the Matrox cards because they're more versatile for general work and 2D, and I don't need fast 3D rendering for gaming.
But for a Gem project, I would use a Prophet under Windows, although I'd rather drive a screen or projector with VGA than NTSC.
But you're right: NVidia is killing competition, at least in the younger community where computers equals 3D gaming consoles...
Marc
On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Rory Walsh wrote:
If a graphics card has a tv/vcr output can it be used for dual display? And how do the pci cards compare to the AGP cards, my computer does not have an APG slot so I'll have to get a pci card, are they much slower? I believe that the AGP cards connect directly to the main RAM to speed up performance? Is this correct?
... and under Linux DRI does not support PCI cards ..
Guenter
guenter geiger wrote:
... and under Linux DRI does not support PCI cards ..
Can you tell us where this information comes from?
About the Matrox cards under Linux: I discovered that MGAHALlib, a closed source library, is required for the TV out option, and that 3D hardware acceleration doesn't work on the second monitor. So Matrox cards in a fully GPL compliant Linux environment are good mostly for 2D dual-head operation in VGA mode. 3D is still available on the 1st screen and good enough for non-gamers. http://dri.sourceforge.net/doc/DRIuserguide.html
For a list of Multi-headed Linux displays: http://www.evl.uic.edu/pape/CAVE/linux/multi-head.html
Marc
Does that mean to say that it will not be possible for me to upgrade my graphics card for linux as I do not have an AGP slot? Does linux only support AGP slots? Cheers for all the info, had I not been told about all this I would be in a right mess!
Regards, Rory.
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Marc [iso-8859-1] Lavall�e wrote:
guenter geiger wrote:
... and under Linux DRI does not support PCI cards ..
Can you tell us where this information comes from?
Forgot it, I guess from their website. I am pretty sure that it's true, because if PCI was supported I could use my G200 PCI card ... I would be happy if I am wrong :)
Guenter
Hi,
I have no idea what DRI is but I know that Nvidia suggests removing the "Load "dri"" line from your X configuration file (along with a couple of other lines) in order for their drivers to work. I have a PCI Game Cougar (or something like that) which uses the TNT2 chip, which in turn is supported by the nvidia linux drivers and I just got it working a couple of days ago under linux. So I think it does not make a difference whether your card is PCI or AGP.
...eh... It was nvidia harware that we were discussing, no?
./MiS
On 7/24/01 5:18 PM, "guenter geiger" geiger@epy.co.at wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Marc [iso-8859-1] Lavallée wrote:
guenter geiger wrote:
... and under Linux DRI does not support PCI cards ..
Can you tell us where this information comes from?
Forgot it, I guess from their website. I am pretty sure that it's true, because if PCI was supported I could use my G200 PCI card ... I would be happy if I am wrong :)
Guenter
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Karl MacMillan hat gesagt: // Karl MacMillan wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Frank Barknecht wrote:
You really should get a card that has hardware support for OpenGL rendering otherwise things might run very slow. If you want hardware support for linux, too, you will have to get an Nvidia card or a Matrox G4xx (which I would prefer in an audio machine)
Why do you prefer the G4xx card in an audio machine? I have a G450 that happily causes all fo the problems with audio that an impolite video card can :(
Mostly because of their open-sourceness. I also found, that some audio mags recommend G400 cards for audio workstations, but that is Windows-World, and I don't feel comfortable there.
Did you try setting Option "PciRetry" "off" in your XF86Config?
Nope - thanks for the tip.
Karl
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