On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Nicolas Montgermont wrote:
You can have a look at this thread for example: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2008-01/059095.html
Ah, so is this about which spellings of Pd are the most orthodox?
There's a reason why I spread the spelling "PureData" all over the place. The double uppercase makes it readable as two words, but the lack of space makes it look like one distinctive word and not like a common adjective followed by a very common name.
I spread that spelling all over the place.
"Pd" is too short except when you need a shorthand that is that short. It's a very common and equivocal two-letter combination (out of only 676) and it's useful for making silly jokes in french.
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Hallo, Mathieu Bouchard hat gesagt: // Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Nicolas Montgermont wrote:
You can have a look at this thread for example: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2008-01/059095.html
Ah, so is this about which spellings of Pd are the most orthodox?
There's a reason why I spread the spelling "PureData" all over the place. The double uppercase makes it readable as two words, but the lack of space makes it look like one distinctive word and not like a common adjective followed by a very common name.
Names are not something you can argue about or that you can "improve". Pd's author called it "Pure Data" and "Pd", so in a scientific paper I would always use these two names/spellings and I'd consider everything else a research negligence by the paper's author. In casual communication like here of course there is more freedom possible.
Ciao
Frank
--- On Mon, 9/28/09, Frank Barknecht fbar@footils.org wrote:
Names are not something you can argue about or that you can "improve".
That's true, especially for a name like "ChucK", which as far as I've seen, has been consistently spelled with that capital "K" in research papers where it's turned up.
On another note, I think Desire Data should be renamed :) Data just for the fun that would happen when someone tries to type that name into ms word.
-Jonathan
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
That's true, especially for a name like "ChucK", which as far as I've seen, has been consistently spelled with that capital "K" in research papers where it's turned up.
OTOH, the name ChucK is more distinctive *because* of the extra uppercase.
On another note, I think Desire Data should be renamed :) Data just for the fun that would happen when someone tries to type that name into ms word.
Sorry, could you please explain the joke. I don't know anything MS Word does.
If I cared about that kind of pranks, I'd be more inclined to call a piece of software «that software» (all lowercase, without the doublequotes, no trademark symbol) and watch the trouble that ensues. But that's quite hypothetical. In reality, there is already enough trouble arising from uncovering ordinary everyday confusion, that there's nothing that I'd want to actually add to the mess.
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--- On Mon, 9/28/09, Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca wrote:
From: Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca Subject: Re: [PD] how to cite the Pure Data in a research paper To: "Jonathan Wilkes" jancsika@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at, "Frank Barknecht" fbar@footils.org Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 8:32 PM On Mon, 28 Sep 2009, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
That's true, especially for a name like "ChucK", which
as far as I've seen, has been consistently spelled with that capital "K" in research papers where it's turned up.
OTOH, the name ChucK is more distinctive *because* of the extra uppercase.
On another note, I think Desire Data should be renamed
:) Data just for the fun that would happen when someone tries to type that name into ms word.
Sorry, could you please explain the joke. I don't know anything MS Word does.
If I cared about that kind of pranks, I'd be more inclined to call a piece of software «that software» (all lowercase, without the doublequotes, no trademark symbol) and watch the trouble that ensues. But that's quite hypothetical. In reality, there is already enough trouble arising from uncovering ordinary everyday confusion, that there's nothing that I'd want to actually add to the mess.
Well, it's probably good that you're not inclined to that kind of prank because the example you give has no specific association with pd, dsp, or anything else that would be meaningful to anyone using the software.
If the only think about the name ChucK was the fact that it
looks distinctive, I think that would be just as lame as your example
above. If you look at the ChucK faq, you'll see a nice joke as to the
origin of the name. Once you get the joke, you also get some
information about a detail of the ChucK language.
I was going for :) associating with the word "desire" from dd, but I guess that's streching the meaning of the smiley a little bit. Oh, and it turns into an actual smily icon in MS word.
-Jonathan
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To continue arguing the toss of a coin (sorry Frank, that wasn't just for you)...
Perhaps if you are going to "cite" Pure Data (proper nouns, capital letters, a name of something) then you should cite one of the following papers from Miller's website:
Puckette, M. 1996. "Pure Data: another integrated computer music environment." Proceedings, Second Intercollege Computer Music Concerts, Tachikawa, Japan, pp. 37-41.
Puckette, M. 1996. "Pure Data." Proceedings, International Computer Music Conference.. San Francisco: International Computer Music Association, pp. 269-272.
Puckette, M. 1997. "Pure Data: recent progress." Proceedings, Third Intercollege Computer Music Festival, Tokyo, Japan, pp. 1-4.
Puckette, M. and Apel, T. 1998. "Real-time audio analysis tools for Pd and MSP". Proceedings, International Computer Music Conference. San Francisco: International Computer Music Association, pp. 109-112.
Puckette, M. 2002. "Max at seventeen." Computer Music Journal 26(4): pp. 31-43. HTML... PDF
Puckette, M. 2002. "Using Pd as a score language." Proceedings, ICMC, pp. 184-187. HTML... PDF... Tex source
etc etc. Spot the deliberate mistake!
As an academic I'd say a citation refers to another publication, a reference in the bibliography to a related discussion.
Meanwhile, the name "Pure Data" should be enough to identify the software, or if you prefer "The Pure Data Computer Music System invented by Miller Puckette, UCSD"
That is enough academic pedantry for now I think!
Ed
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--- On Mon, 28/9/09, Frank Barknecht fbar@footils.org wrote:
From: Frank Barknecht fbar@footils.org Subject: Re: [PD] how to cite the Pure Data in a research paper To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Monday, 28 September, 2009, 6:17 PM Hallo, Mathieu Bouchard hat gesagt: // Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Nicolas Montgermont wrote:
You can have a look at this thread for example: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2008-01/059095.html
Ah, so is this about which spellings of Pd are the
most orthodox?
There's a reason why I spread the spelling "PureData"
all over the place.
The double uppercase makes it readable as two words,
but the lack of
space makes it look like one distinctive word and not
like a common
adjective followed by a very common name.
Names are not something you can argue about or that you can "improve". Pd's author called it "Pure Data" and "Pd", so in a scientific paper I would always use these two names/spellings and I'd consider everything else a research negligence by the paper's author. In casual communication like here of course there is more freedom possible.
Ciao
Frank
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--- On Mon, 28/9/09, Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [PD] how to cite the Pure Data in a research paper To: "Mathieu Bouchard" matju@artengine.ca Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Monday, 28 September, 2009, 10:35 PM
--- On Mon, 9/28/09, Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca wrote:
From: Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca Subject: Re: [PD] how to cite the Pure Data in a
research paper
To: "Jonathan Wilkes" jancsika@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at,
"Frank Barknecht" fbar@footils.org
Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 8:32 PM On Mon, 28 Sep 2009, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
That's true, especially for a name like "ChucK",
which
as far as I've seen, has been consistently spelled
with that
capital "K" in research papers where it's turned up.
OTOH, the name ChucK is more distinctive *because* of
the
extra uppercase.
On another note, I think Desire Data should be
renamed
:) Data just for the fun that would happen when
someone
tries to type that name into ms word.
Sorry, could you please explain the joke. I don't
know
anything MS Word does.
If I cared about that kind of pranks, I'd be more
inclined
to call a piece of software «that software» (all lowercase, without the doublequotes, no trademark
symbol)
and watch the trouble that ensues. But that's quite hypothetical. In reality, there is already enough
trouble
arising from uncovering ordinary everyday confusion,
that
there's nothing that I'd want to actually add to the
mess.
Well, it's probably good that you're not inclined to that kind of prank because the example you give has no specific association with pd, dsp, or anything else that would be meaningful to anyone using the software.
If the only think about the name ChucK was the fact that it looks distinctive, I think that would be just as lame as your example above. If you look at the ChucK faq, you'll see a nice joke as to the origin of the name. Once you get the joke, you also get some information about a detail of the ChucK language.
I was going for :) associating with the word "desire" from dd, but I guess that's streching the meaning of the smiley a little bit. Oh, and it turns into an actual smily icon in MS word.
-Jonathan
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2009, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Names are not something you can argue about or that you can "improve". Pd's author called it "Pure Data" and "Pd", so in a scientific paper I would always use these two names/spellings and I'd consider everything else a research negligence by the paper's author. In casual communication like here of course there is more freedom possible.
By a strange coïncidence, yesterday night, Carmen brought to my attention the existence of this scientific article about the epidemiology of zombies... The author claims to be named «Robert Smith?», question-mark included. For something that people can't argue about or «improve», this guy's name used up considerable amounts of ink and serious braintime... in *several* newspapers' style-guide committees. And in the end, there was no consensus.
http://www.mathstat.uottawa.ca/~rsmith/cover.jpg http://www.thestar.com/comment/columnists/article/684873 http://www.mathstat.uottawa.ca/~rsmith/
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