is there another project as sophisticated as memento but working on all platforms?
----- Mail Original ----- De: "weiss" postmeister@weiss-archiv.de À: pd-list@iem.at Envoyé: Mardi 6 Avril 2010 17h54:02 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: Re: [PD] memento file retore crashes Pd
hi, i had the same problem with prepend while i changed from 0.41-4 to 0.42. pd starts with a message like this in the console: "class prepend renamed to prepend_aliased." in fact this means that the iem_prepend is used instead of the cyclone-prepend object. (i guess its cyclone on my system.) this doesnt crash pd, but memento isnt working because these objects are not compatible. as i figured out there is something different with the list-selector. didnt had time yet to really look at this problem. maybe later. (or frank will do the job????). martin
forgot to say that iam on winxp and not using pd-extended.
Hello David,
long ago under windows I've removed some crash with memento by replacing [prepend] with [list prepend]-[list trim], maybe it drives to some hints...
----- Mail Original ----- De: "David Schaffer" schafferdavid@hotmail.com À: "pd list" pd-list@iem.at Envoyé: Mardi 6 Avril 2010 10h10:50 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: Re: [PD] memento file retore crashes Pd
I forgot to mention: I'm on Win XP running the latest version of extended...
From: David Schaffer Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:07 AM To: pd list Subject: [PD] memento file retore crashes Pd
Hi there,
I seeme to have a memento problem: I can easily save a configuration to file (.txt) but each time I try to restore the file, Pd crashes. I'm probably doing something wrong but I can't figure out what it is. I usually start by creating a .txt file somewhere and then use the "save" button on the careGUI object. That seems to work well since the file is created and has all the data into it. Then, when willing to restore, I push the file button, select the file I've created before andpuûsh the "restore" button, then booom. Am I doing someting wrong here? Can't find the goddam tutorial anymore... any help would be appreciated. Thanks
D.S
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I solved the problem by downgrading to an older version of Pd. It's kinda stupid but it works now. I think it's related to the pool object; it isn't part of extended anymore (why?) So I added it myself and things started to go wrong then.
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 08:26:55 +0200 From: colet.patrice@free.fr To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] memento file retore crashes Pd
is there another project as sophisticated as memento but working on all platforms?
----- Mail Original ----- De: "weiss" postmeister@weiss-archiv.de À: pd-list@iem.at Envoyé: Mardi 6 Avril 2010 17h54:02 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: Re: [PD] memento file retore crashes Pd
hi, i had the same problem with prepend while i changed from 0.41-4 to 0.42. pd starts with a message like this in the console: "class prepend renamed to prepend_aliased." in fact this means that the iem_prepend is used instead of the cyclone-prepend object. (i guess its cyclone on my system.) this doesnt crash pd, but memento isnt working because these objects are not compatible. as i figured out there is something different with the list-selector. didnt had time yet to really look at this problem. maybe later. (or frank will do the job????). martin
forgot to say that iam on winxp and not using pd-extended.
Hello David,
long ago under windows I've removed some crash with memento by replacing [prepend] with [list prepend]-[list trim], maybe it drives to some hints...
----- Mail Original ----- De: "David Schaffer" schafferdavid@hotmail.com À: "pd list" pd-list@iem.at Envoyé: Mardi 6 Avril 2010 10h10:50 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: Re: [PD] memento file retore crashes Pd
I forgot to mention: I'm on Win XP running the latest version of extended...
From: David Schaffer Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:07 AM To: pd list Subject: [PD] memento file retore crashes Pd
Hi there,
I seeme to have a memento problem: I can easily save a configuration to file (.txt) but each time I try to restore the file, Pd crashes. I'm probably doing something wrong but I can't figure out what it is. I usually start by creating a .txt file somewhere and then use the "save" button on the careGUI object. That seems to work well since the file is created and has all the data into it. Then, when willing to restore, I push the file button, select the file I've created before andpuûsh the "restore" button, then booom. Am I doing someting wrong here? Can't find the goddam tutorial anymore... any help would be appreciated. Thanks
D.S
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On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:26 AM, colet.patrice@free.fr wrote:
is there another project as sophisticated as memento but working on all platforms?
There is SSSAD and some more nifty abstractions built upon it. Dunno if it offers all you need.
Andras
On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 02:14:21PM +0200, András Murányi wrote:
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:26 AM, colet.patrice@free.fr wrote:
is there another project as sophisticated as memento but working on all platforms?
There is SSSAD and some more nifty abstractions built upon it. Dunno if it offers all you need.
Personally I use sssad now, and it's used throughout the rj library as well. I think, its design is a bit easier to follow and maybe even cleaner. It doesn't include an actual object to save settings to a file, but that's by design: it also doesn't force you to use a specific object to save like Memento did with [pool]. You even can use sssad with pool, if you want. Or use it with message-boxes or [textfile] or [netsend].
Oh, and [sssad] is Pd vanilla so it runs on every current distribution of Pd.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht Do You RjDj.me? _ ______footils.org__
Frank Barknecht wrote:
On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 02:14:21PM +0200, András Murányi wrote:
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:26 AM, colet.patrice@free.fr wrote:
is there another project as sophisticated as memento but working on all platforms?
There is SSSAD and some more nifty abstractions built upon it. Dunno if it offers all you need.
Personally I use sssad now, and it's used throughout the rj library as well. I think, its design is a bit easier to follow and maybe even cleaner. It doesn't include an actual object to save settings to a file, but that's by design: it also doesn't force you to use a specific object to save like Memento did with [pool]. You even can use sssad with pool, if you want. Or use it with message-boxes or [textfile] or [netsend].
Oh, and [sssad] is Pd vanilla so it runs on every current distribution of Pd.
Ciao
So its sounds like memento is no longer supported. For the 0.43 release of Pd-extended I am planning on pulling out non-supported libraries and making them standalone libraries. Should I include memento?
.hc
On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 12:32:07PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Personally I use sssad now, and it's used throughout the rj library as well. I think, its design is a bit easier to follow and maybe even cleaner. It doesn't include an actual object to save settings to a file, but that's by design: it also doesn't force you to use a specific object to save like Memento did with [pool]. You even can use sssad with pool, if you want. Or use it with message-boxes or [textfile] or [netsend].
Oh, and [sssad] is Pd vanilla so it runs on every current distribution of Pd.
So its sounds like memento is no longer supported.
Why? I think, you've misinterpreted what I wrote: I only described what I currently use for new projects, and that's [sssad]. But I still have tons of old projects that use Memento and as long as the required externals are there, it Just Works(tm).
I suspect the crash reported here is due to some externals issue. I've seen Memento crash, when the wrong [prepend] was used, that's why I removed all [prepend] from Memento a long time ago. Another reason for crashes has been a conflict that [pool] had with other flext-based externals (When I gdb-debugged this, I found crashes happen in xsample, which isn't even used in Memento.) But AFAIR, later versions of flext didn't show this crash anymore and recompiling all flext-externals fixed it for me.
That was long ago. So all in all I think, Memento isn't causing crashes anymore on its own.
For the 0.43 release of Pd-extended I am planning on pulling out non-supported libraries and making them standalone libraries. Should I include memento?
That's up to you. Memento needs [pool], though.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht Do You RjDj.me? _ ______footils.org__
On Apr 8, 2010, at 2:18 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 12:32:07PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner
wrote:Frank Barknecht wrote:
Personally I use sssad now, and it's used throughout the rj
library as well. I think, its design is a bit easier to follow and maybe even
cleaner. It doesn't include an actual object to save settings to a file, but that's by
design: it also doesn't force you to use a specific object to save like
Memento did with [pool]. You even can use sssad with pool, if you want. Or use it
with message-boxes or [textfile] or [netsend].Oh, and [sssad] is Pd vanilla so it runs on every current
distribution of Pd.So its sounds like memento is no longer supported.
Why? I think, you've misinterpreted what I wrote: I only described
what I currently use for new projects, and that's [sssad]. But I still have
tons of old projects that use Memento and as long as the required externals
are there, it Just Works(tm).I suspect the crash reported here is due to some externals issue.
I've seen Memento crash, when the wrong [prepend] was used, that's why I
removed all [prepend] from Memento a long time ago. Another reason for crashes
has been a conflict that [pool] had with other flext-based externals (When I
gdb-debugged this, I found crashes happen in xsample, which isn't even used in
Memento.) But AFAIR, later versions of flext didn't show this crash anymore and
recompiling all flext-externals fixed it for me.That was long ago. So all in all I think, Memento isn't causing
crashes anymore on its own.
Ah, ok, sounds like you are still supporting it then.
For the 0.43 release of Pd-extended I am planning on pulling out non-supported libraries and making them standalone libraries.
Should I include memento?That's up to you. Memento needs [pool], though.
I think that it doesn't make a lot of sense to include memento without
including [pool]. So IMHO either someone gets pool included, or
memento should be distributed separately along with pool.
.hc
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