hi list when i make a abstraction and make the gui visible on parent patch, i dont know to handle with the size and the proportion...? i know that i can place the size in the patch,but i cannot save it for the abstraction.. thanks for any help ... moritz
Hallo, moritz seiler hat gesagt: // moritz seiler wrote:
when i make a abstraction and make the gui visible on parent patch, i dont know to handle with the size and the proportion...? i know that i can place the size in the patch,but i cannot save it for the abstraction..
I do this in the following way:
use a [cnv] object as a background,
Put all you want to see on top of the background [cnv]
remember its dimensions as x and y.
Set "Graph On Parent" to true.
resize the abstraction, so that only the bg-cnv plus about 15 pixel above it are visible. The empty space above is for the abstraction name.
save, close, File->New, put: [your_gop_abs]
Right-click [your_gop_abs], edit Properties: Set width to: x (from above) + 2 pixels Set height to: y (from above) + 15 pixels. Save properties.
Right-click again and Open your [your_gop_abs]
SAVE it! Yes, again! This is important, as the resizing done in the parent patch in step 7) is not saved yet in the child abstraction.
you migtht need to fiddle a bit with the positions of graphical objects.
That's it.
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
Hi
I've been playing with GOP:s a bit lately, and found two things:
If you are making a small ui, like a small reusable volume control, it can be hard to resize the child patch. Then you might consider to make the window larger, and spread out the objects in a relative position to each other. in the GOP, they will keep the same relative position.
When doing the final positioning of the ui objects, it makes things easier if you have two instances of the patch in the parent window. You edit one (which gets greyed out) and watch the changes in the other one when saving.
hope this helps. Johannes
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, moritz seiler hat gesagt: // moritz seiler wrote:
when i make a abstraction and make the gui visible on parent patch, i dont know to handle with the size and the proportion...? i know that i can place the size in the patch,but i cannot save it for the abstraction..
I do this in the following way:
use a [cnv] object as a background,
Put all you want to see on top of the background [cnv]
remember its dimensions as x and y.
Set "Graph On Parent" to true.
resize the abstraction, so that only the bg-cnv plus about 15 pixel above it are visible. The empty space above is for the abstraction name.
save, close, File->New, put: [your_gop_abs]
Right-click [your_gop_abs], edit Properties: Set width to: x (from above) + 2 pixels Set height to: y (from above) + 15 pixels. Save properties.
Right-click again and Open your [your_gop_abs]
SAVE it! Yes, again! This is important, as the resizing done in the parent patch in step 7) is not saved yet in the child abstraction.
you migtht need to fiddle a bit with the positions of graphical objects.
That's it.
Ciao
now, i understand why 'unauthorized' does not support GOP ))
but, grid is setable, btw...
sevy
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, moritz seiler hat gesagt: // moritz seiler wrote:
when i make a abstraction and make the gui visible on parent patch, i dont know to handle with the size and the proportion...? i know that i can place the size in the patch,but i cannot save it for the abstraction..
I do this in the following way:
use a [cnv] object as a background,
Put all you want to see on top of the background [cnv]
remember its dimensions as x and y.
Set "Graph On Parent" to true.
resize the abstraction, so that only the bg-cnv plus about 15 pixel
above it are visible. The empty space above is for the abstraction name.
save, close, File->New, put: [your_gop_abs]
Right-click [your_gop_abs], edit Properties:
Set width to: x (from above) + 2 pixels Set height to: y (from above) + 15 pixels. Save properties.
Right-click again and Open your [your_gop_abs]
SAVE it! Yes, again! This is important, as the resizing done in the
parent patch in step 7) is not saved yet in the child abstraction.
- you migtht need to fiddle a bit with the positions of graphical
objects.
That's it.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
when i make a abstraction and make the gui visible on parent patch, i dont know to handle with the size and the proportion...? i know that i can place
I do this in the following way:
what i have found most convenient is:
number2!, ...) 2) put all the gui-elements approximately where they should be
remote-control the position of the object 6) iterate 3-5 until all objects are placed correctly
grid,...
mfg.asd.r IOhannes
Hallo, IOhannes m zmoelnig hat gesagt: // IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
when i make a abstraction and make the gui visible on parent patch, i dont know to handle with the size and the proportion...? i know that i can place
I do this in the following way:
what i have found most convenient is:
I hope Miller's idea of a "graph-on-parent" [cnv] object is not forgotten. It would make it all much easier: <dream> Just create a [gopcnv], resize it, put all objects you want to see on top of it, save, done. </dream>
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Frank Barknecht wrote:
IOhannes m zmoelnig hat gesagt: // IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
when i make a abstraction and make the gui visible on parent patch, i dont know to handle with the size and the proportion...? i know that i can place
I do this in the following way:
what i have found most convenient is:
I hope Miller's idea of a "graph-on-parent" [cnv] object is not forgotten. It would make it all much easier: <dream> Just create a [gopcnv], resize it, put all objects you want to see on top of it, save, done. </dream>
My dream, albeit more short-term, was along the lines of:
of the window need not coincide with the recorded size of the patcher.
(which would make things somewhat more WYSIWYG), and instead enable cropping, such that only the objects in top-left corner of a subpatch/abstr would show up in the GOP (this allows to put gui-objects in the subpatch that won't be affected by the GOP).
And then a (possibly) more long-term one is:
you can see the GOP while its patcher is open. This is *almost* possible in IMPD. There is a Model/View separation though I didn't really finish taking care of Observer/Observable roles yet.
Mathieu Bouchard http://artengine.ca/matju
Hallo, Matju hat gesagt: // Matju wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Frank Barknecht wrote:
I hope Miller's idea of a "graph-on-parent" [cnv] object is not forgotten. It would make it all much easier: <dream> Just create a [gopcnv], resize it, put all objects you want to see on top of it, save, done. </dream>
My dream, albeit more short-term, was along the lines of:
- maybe have a toggle to disable rescaling of the coordinates of a GOP
(which would make things somewhat more WYSIWYG), and instead enable cropping, such that only the objects in top-left corner of a subpatch/abstr would show up in the GOP (this allows to put gui-objects in the subpatch that won't be affected by the GOP).
Well, this also could be handled by the gopcnv object, as only those gui objects on top of it would be visible. The original idea also was to just handle the main canvas as a default gopcnv, if there wasn't one.
I agree with your wishes, though.
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
Matju wrote:
My dream, albeit more short-term, was along the lines of:
- for each patcher, there would be a resizable rectangle so that the size
of the window need not coincide with the recorded size of the patcher.
- maybe have a toggle to disable rescaling of the coordinates of a GOP
(which would make things somewhat more WYSIWYG), and instead enable cropping, such that only the objects in top-left corner of a subpatch/abstr would show up in the GOP (this allows to put gui-objects in the subpatch that won't be affected by the GOP).
do i have deja vu's ? yes, and i agree with everything !!
mfg.a.sdr IOhannes
Yeah, I wanted to do that for 0.38... now plan it for 0.39.
cheers Miller
On Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 09:53:36AM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, IOhannes m zmoelnig hat gesagt: // IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
when i make a abstraction and make the gui visible on parent patch, i dont know to handle with the size and the proportion...? i know that i can place
I do this in the following way:
what i have found most convenient is:
I hope Miller's idea of a "graph-on-parent" [cnv] object is not forgotten. It would make it all much easier: <dream> Just create a [gopcnv], resize it, put all objects you want to see on top of it, save, done. </dream>
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
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thanks for all helps! moritz