On Oct 11, 2021, at 10:51 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
Message: 5 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 22:51:31 +0200 From: "Peter P." <peterparker@fastmail.com mailto:peterparker@fastmail.com> To: pd-list@lists.iem.at mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Pd without internationalization? Message-ID: <20211011205131.xtl6tqydubbll2ln@fastmail.com mailto:20211011205131.xtl6tqydubbll2ln@fastmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
- IOhannes m zm?lnig <zmoelnig@iem.at mailto:zmoelnig@iem.at> [2021-10-11 18:23]:
Am 11. Oktober 2021 16:31:47 MESZ schrieb "Peter P." <peterparker@fastmail.com mailto:peterparker@fastmail.com>:
Hi,
can I just remove all .msg translation files from Pd's po/ folder and to have it only use english on both OS X and Windows?
Yes. (or just remove the entire po/ folder)
Thanks! Whenever I am teaching people entirely new to Pd, who often have their OSes set to different languages, the different menu entries cause puzzled faces.
Ha and the opposite is also true, especially in non-English teaching environments. Just goes to show there is no optimal choice ex pet providing more choice, I suppose.
Btw, on Debian you can just not-install (or uninstall) the puredata-gui-I10n package.
I was thinking about adding a GUI-preference that would allow you to disable i10n and/or pick another language.
It's not high on my priority list though, and I (think I) never came around actually implementing it...
Here you have an exemplary case and someone who would be very happy to see such a feature implemented.
The current system integrates with the system locale setting so the idea is whatever the user is already using is also picked up by Pd. For most apps this is preferred. For some reason, it never seems to be good for most people in Pd land, possibly since the translations have not always been fully covered, etc.
In any case, you can currently set the locale when starting Pd on the commandline over via start script or Windows batch file. See the info in the po/README.txt:
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/po/README.txt#L44 https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/po/README.txt#L44
This does not require editing the installed Pd folder structure and you can simply provide a set of scripts the students can double-click to force the en locale.
Further down in the readme is info on how to edit the current translations. If any of your students are interested, I'd encourage them to help fix translations which need some work. :)
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
- Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com [2021-10-12 11:06]:
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Thanks! Whenever I am teaching people entirely new to Pd, who often have their OSes set to different languages, the different menu entries cause puzzled faces.
Ha and the opposite is also true, especially in non-English teaching environments. Just goes to show there is no optimal choice ex pet providing more choice, I suppose.
Thanks for reminding us Dan! It makes me wonder how much english users need to know to use Pd. After all the object names, help patches, etc. is all english.
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The current system integrates with the system locale setting so the idea is whatever the user is already using is also picked up by Pd. For most apps this is preferred. For some reason, it never seems to be good for most people in Pd land, possibly since the translations have not always been fully covered, etc.
In any case, you can currently set the locale when starting Pd on the commandline over via start script or Windows batch file. See the info in the po/README.txt:
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/po/README.txt#L44 https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/po/README.txt#L44
This does not require editing the installed Pd folder structure and you can simply provide a set of scripts the students can double-click to force the en locale.
Thanks for pointing this out to me! For now it is quicker to have them delete the po folder rather than having to package Pd for three OSes with a custom script or asking them to modify one.
cheers, P
It makes me wonder how much english users need to know to use Pd. After all the object names, help patches, etc. is all english.
There is a very nice WIP on https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/1340
If this gets merged I will start the doc/5.reference "help patches" translation to spanish.
It opens lots of chances for translations.
:)
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