Hello,
I'm using pd-extended 0.43.4, installed via Hans-Cristoph Steiner ppa. I'm using this version because I can't install the stable version in Ubuntu 12.04.
The problem is, when I start pd with Jack in -rt mode or wherever mode, if I turn on dsp, they work well, but if I turn off, and try to turn on yet dsp, pd-extended freeze...
Closing Qjackctl (after some time ubuntu can close that) pd-extended returns to work, and I can use on alsa directly sucessfull..
Someone knows where I can comunicate this bug to the developers? Is here the place?
Thanks a lot!
Similiar problem here on ubuntustudio 12.04, with all 64bit versions since 0.42.5 (did not try 32bit) When I touch the dsp toggle in the green field pd freezes and I have to killall pd loosing all unsaved work.
best regards Gerhard
Am 21.11.2012 23:35, schrieb Esteban Viveros:
Hello,
I'm using pd-extended 0.43.4, installed via Hans-Cristoph Steiner ppa. I'm using this version because I can't install the stable version in Ubuntu 12.04.
The problem is, when I start pd with Jack in -rt mode or wherever mode, if I turn on dsp, they work well, but if I turn off, and try to turn on yet dsp, pd-extended freeze...
Closing Qjackctl (after some time ubuntu can close that) pd-extended returns to work, and I can use on alsa directly sucessfull..
Someone knows where I can comunicate this bug to the developers? Is here the place?
Thanks a lot!
--
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On 21/11/12 23:35, Esteban Viveros wrote:
Hello,
I'm using pd-extended 0.43.4, installed via Hans-Cristoph Steiner ppa. I'm using this version because I can't install the stable version in Ubuntu 12.04.
The problem is, when I start pd with Jack in -rt mode or wherever mode, if I turn on dsp, they work well, but if I turn off, and try to turn on yet dsp, pd-extended freeze...
Does this happen even if jack (through Qjackctl or whatever) was started *before you start Pd??
If so I guess it could be this bug:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3543466&gro...
Indeed also turning DSP off when jack was auto-started by Pditselfscrews everything up.
The workaround in this case would be to always start jack *before* starting Pd, then everything seems to behave well.
Lorenzo.
Closing Qjackctl (after some time ubuntu can close that) pd-extended returns to work, and I can use on alsa directly sucessfull..
Someone knows where I can comunicate this bug to the developers? Is here the place?
Starting jack after pd is fixed in pd-l2ork. Likewise, hanging after connection with jack is lost is fixed in pd-l2ork. Pd 0.43 also has a regression in its audio stack rewrite where reconnecting to jack fails and outputs a salvo of errors (at least this was the case with the one that ships with Ubuntu).
In respect to pd-l2ork and jack there is only one more lingering problem which is actually related to jackd that ships with Ubuntu 12.04. Namely, sometimes when jack is running and one somehow loses the soundcard (e.g. accidental disconnection of a usb soundcard) while jackd is running. Killing jackd process fixes this (since it is the one hanging and it never sends signal to pd-l2ork or any other client that the sound is gone so pd-L2ork waits on jackd). I was assured that this has been fixed if one compiles latest version of jackd from source but haven't tried yet if that indeed fixes it.
HTH On Nov 23, 2012 5:01 AM, "Lorenzo Sutton" lorenzofsutton@gmail.com wrote:
On 21/11/12 23:35, Esteban Viveros wrote:
Hello,
I'm using pd-extended 0.43.4, installed via Hans-Cristoph Steiner ppa. I'm using this version because I can't install the stable version in Ubuntu 12.04.
The problem is, when I start pd with Jack in -rt mode or wherever mode, if I turn on dsp, they work well, but if I turn off, and try to turn on yet dsp, pd-extended freeze...
Does this happen even if jack (through Qjackctl or whatever) was started *before you start Pd??
If so I guess it could be this bug:
http://sourceforge.net/**tracker/index.php?func=detail&** aid=3543466&group_id=55736&**atid=478070http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3543466&group_id=55736&atid=478070
Indeed also turning DSP off when jack was auto-started by Pditselfscrews everything up.
The workaround in this case would be to always start jack *before* starting Pd, then everything seems to behave well.
Lorenzo.
Closing Qjackctl (after some time ubuntu can close that) pd-extended returns to work, and I can use on alsa directly sucessfull..
Someone knows where I can comunicate this bug to the developers? Is here the place?
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Lorenzo,
I tried to run Pd-Extended after and until run jack and I have the same problem.
I forgot to say, I'm using Ubuntu 12.04 *64bits* ..
Ivica,
About Jack, I have installed the most recent version... Jack2 1.9.8 .. I'm using the k https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/ppaxstudio ppahttps://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/ppaand the dream studio ppa https://launchpad.net/~dreamstudio/+archive/dreamstudio-stable. I think in there we have the most recent and stable jackd versions...
I can try contact with jack list yet.. Some suggestions?
2012/11/23 Ivica Bukvic ico@vt.edu
Starting jack after pd is fixed in pd-l2ork. Likewise, hanging after connection with jack is lost is fixed in pd-l2ork. Pd 0.43 also has a regression in its audio stack rewrite where reconnecting to jack fails and outputs a salvo of errors (at least this was the case with the one that ships with Ubuntu).
In respect to pd-l2ork and jack there is only one more lingering problem which is actually related to jackd that ships with Ubuntu 12.04. Namely, sometimes when jack is running and one somehow loses the soundcard (e.g. accidental disconnection of a usb soundcard) while jackd is running. Killing jackd process fixes this (since it is the one hanging and it never sends signal to pd-l2ork or any other client that the sound is gone so pd-L2ork waits on jackd). I was assured that this has been fixed if one compiles latest version of jackd from source but haven't tried yet if that indeed fixes it.
HTH On Nov 23, 2012 5:01 AM, "Lorenzo Sutton" lorenzofsutton@gmail.com wrote:
On 21/11/12 23:35, Esteban Viveros wrote:
Hello,
I'm using pd-extended 0.43.4, installed via Hans-Cristoph Steiner ppa. I'm using this version because I can't install the stable version in Ubuntu 12.04.
The problem is, when I start pd with Jack in -rt mode or wherever mode, if I turn on dsp, they work well, but if I turn off, and try to turn on yet dsp, pd-extended freeze...
Does this happen even if jack (through Qjackctl or whatever) was started *before you start Pd??
If so I guess it could be this bug:
http://sourceforge.net/**tracker/index.php?func=detail&** aid=3543466&group_id=55736&**atid=478070http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3543466&group_id=55736&atid=478070
Indeed also turning DSP off when jack was auto-started by Pditselfscrews everything up.
The workaround in this case would be to always start jack *before* starting Pd, then everything seems to behave well.
Lorenzo.
Closing Qjackctl (after some time ubuntu can close that) pd-extended returns to work, and I can use on alsa directly sucessfull..
Someone knows where I can comunicate this bug to the developers? Is here the place?
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You should check out their SVN or GIT, and compile from the tarball. There is newer version than that available directly from the project page.
From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of Esteban Viveros Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 12:15 PM To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Freezes with Pd-Extended and Jack
Lorenzo,
I tried to run Pd-Extended after and until run jack and I have the same problem.
I forgot to say, I'm using Ubuntu 12.04 64bits ..
Ivica,
About Jack, I have installed the most recent version... Jack2 1.9.8 .. I'm using the k https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/ppa xstudio ppa https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/ppa and the dream studio ppa https://launchpad.net/~dreamstudio/+archive/dreamstudio-stable . I think in there we have the most recent and stable jackd versions...
I can try contact with jack list yet.. Some suggestions?
2012/11/23 Ivica Bukvic ico@vt.edu
Starting jack after pd is fixed in pd-l2ork. Likewise, hanging after connection with jack is lost is fixed in pd-l2ork. Pd 0.43 also has a regression in its audio stack rewrite where reconnecting to jack fails and outputs a salvo of errors (at least this was the case with the one that ships with Ubuntu).
In respect to pd-l2ork and jack there is only one more lingering problem which is actually related to jackd that ships with Ubuntu 12.04. Namely, sometimes when jack is running and one somehow loses the soundcard (e.g. accidental disconnection of a usb soundcard) while jackd is running. Killing jackd process fixes this (since it is the one hanging and it never sends signal to pd-l2ork or any other client that the sound is gone so pd-L2ork waits on jackd). I was assured that this has been fixed if one compiles latest version of jackd from source but haven't tried yet if that indeed fixes it.
HTH
On Nov 23, 2012 5:01 AM, "Lorenzo Sutton" lorenzofsutton@gmail.com wrote:
On 21/11/12 23:35, Esteban Viveros wrote:
Hello,
I'm using pd-extended 0.43.4, installed via Hans-Cristoph Steiner ppa. I'm using this version because I can't install the stable version in Ubuntu 12.04.
The problem is, when I start pd with Jack in -rt mode or wherever mode, if I turn on dsp, they work well, but if I turn off, and try to turn on yet dsp, pd-extended freeze...
Does this happen even if jack (through Qjackctl or whatever) was started *before you start Pd??
If so I guess it could be this bug:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3543466&group_id=5 5736&atid=478070 &aid=3543466&group_id=55736&atid=478070
Indeed also turning DSP off when jack was auto-started by Pditselfscrews everything up.
The workaround in this case would be to always start jack *before* starting Pd, then everything seems to behave well.
Lorenzo.
Closing Qjackctl (after some time ubuntu can close that) pd-extended returns to work, and I can use on alsa directly sucessfull..
Someone knows where I can comunicate this bug to the developers? Is here the place?
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See below (from the linux-audio-user list):
Re: [LAU] question about jackdmp's ability to detect its soundcard has disconnected
Could this be the difference between 1.9.8 and git version?
On Oct 29, 2012 12:10 PM, "Robin Gareus" robin@gareus.org wrote:
On 10/29/2012 03:55 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
All,
I noticed since upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04 that the default Jack server is jackdmp (v.1.9.8). Please correct me if I am wrong but my understanding
this
is the smp-enabled version 2 that is being developed in parallel with 1.x series of regular jack.
correct. They are also API and ABI compatible.
Either way, one of my concerns is that while in the old jack when one accidentally pulled the soundcard jack was trying to talk to (e.g. a USB soundcard), the jack would gracefully stop.
In my experience it stopped but never gracefully (ie it crashed). but it's been a while since I used jack1.
The new version (and this could be Ubuntu quirk) instead of stopping is pegged in some kind of a spinlock that often times locks up the machine (this may be in part since I am running a lowlatency kernel with audio group given priority) and at times keeps it operational while hogging the cpu and making the computer barely responsive until jackd is killed. Apps connected to jack that I tested so far are also stuck in a loop waiting for a response from jack (although
this
could be the app's shortcoming)--jack never broadcasts a signal that it
has
lost the soundcard (AFAICT). FWIW I am running jackdmp through qjackctl... Any thoughts on this matter would be most appreciated.
I can't reproduce this. jack2 stops the backend when the device is disconnected. You can switch to a new backend using jack_control (sending some Dbus messages to jackd) without re-starting jackd. No CPU hogging here. - I'm running jack2 - aka 1.9.9.4 from git.
robin
Hmmm... I can understand now...
Well.. I tried now the version of Jack on kxstudio testing ppahttps://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/testingand the problem is the same... :(
This ppa was install jack2, jackd and jackdfirewire packages on version 1.9.9 but the package libjack-jack2.0 is mantained on version 1.9.8
The next step will be to compile jack packages on version 1.9.9
Ivica, or anyone, you have some information how can I compile that? For that I need some help.
Regards
2012/11/23 Ivica Ico Bukvic ico@vt.edu
See below (from the linux-audio-user list):****
Re: [LAU] question about jackdmp's ability to detect its soundcard has disconnected****
Could this be the difference between 1.9.8 and git version?****
On Oct 29, 2012 12:10 PM, "Robin Gareus" robin@gareus.org wrote:****
On 10/29/2012 03:55 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
All,
I noticed since upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04 that the default Jack server is jackdmp (v.1.9.8). Please correct me if I am wrong but my understanding
this
is the smp-enabled version 2 that is being developed in parallel with 1.x series of regular jack.
correct. They are also API and ABI compatible.
Either way, one of my concerns is that while in the old jack when one accidentally pulled the soundcard jack was trying to talk to (e.g. a USB soundcard), the jack would gracefully stop.
In my experience it stopped but never gracefully (ie it crashed). but it's been a while since I used jack1.
The new version (and this could be Ubuntu quirk) instead of stopping is pegged in some kind of a spinlock that often times locks up the machine (this may be in part since I am running a lowlatency kernel with audio group given priority) and at times keeps it operational while hogging the cpu and making the computer barely responsive until jackd is killed. Apps connected to jack that I tested so far are also stuck in a loop waiting for a response from jack (although
this
could be the app's shortcoming)--jack never broadcasts a signal that it
has
lost the soundcard (AFAICT). FWIW I am running jackdmp through
qjackctl...
Any thoughts on this matter would be most appreciated.
I can't reproduce this. jack2 stops the backend when the device is disconnected. You can switch to a new backend using jack_control (sending some Dbus messages to jackd) without re-starting jackd. No CPU hogging here. - I'm running jack2 - aka 1.9.9.4 from git.
robin****
Ops... I did a better test, and doing first open Pd and then I open Jack. Now The DSP function work well, but I don't have sound...
On messages box I have:
00:18:26.321 Patchbay deactivated.
00:18:26.373 Statistics reset.
00:18:26.388 ALSA connection change.
00:18:26.440 JACK connection change.
00:18:26.467 Client activated.
00:18:52.992 JACK connection graph change.
00:18:53.134 JACK connection change.
00:19:38.102 Client deactivated.
00:19:38.103 Post-shutdown script...
00:19:38.103 dreamstudio-restart-pulseaudio
# making sure pulseaudio will restart if it crashes
# starting pulseaudio
# connecting pulseaudio to JACK
Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou
Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou
00:19:41.798 Post-shutdown script terminated with exit status=256.
00:19:44.297 JACK connection change.
00:19:44.311 Client activated.
00:20:38.543 JACK connection graph change.
00:20:38.693 JACK connection change.
00:20:42.648 ALSA connection graph change.
00:20:42.708 ALSA connection change.
00:20:42.709 ALSA connection graph change.
00:20:42.910 ALSA connection change.
00:20:45.334 JACK connection graph change.
00:20:45.514 JACK connection change.
00:20:52.993 JACK connection graph change.
00:20:53.014 Buffer size change (64).
What can I do now?
2012/11/23 Esteban Viveros emviveros@gmail.com
Hmmm... I can understand now...
Well.. I tried now the version of Jack on kxstudio testing ppahttps://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/testingand the problem is the same... :(
This ppa was install jack2, jackd and jackdfirewire packages on version 1.9.9 but the package libjack-jack2.0 is mantained on version 1.9.8
The next step will be to compile jack packages on version 1.9.9
Ivica, or anyone, you have some information how can I compile that? For that I need some help.
Regards
2012/11/23 Ivica Ico Bukvic ico@vt.edu
See below (from the linux-audio-user list):****
Re: [LAU] question about jackdmp's ability to detect its soundcard has disconnected****
Could this be the difference between 1.9.8 and git version?****
On Oct 29, 2012 12:10 PM, "Robin Gareus" robin@gareus.org wrote:****
On 10/29/2012 03:55 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
All,
I noticed since upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04 that the default Jack server
is
jackdmp (v.1.9.8). Please correct me if I am wrong but my understanding
this
is the smp-enabled version 2 that is being developed in parallel with
1.x
series of regular jack.
correct. They are also API and ABI compatible.
Either way, one of my concerns is that while in the old jack when one accidentally pulled the soundcard jack was trying to talk to (e.g. a USB soundcard), the jack would gracefully stop.
In my experience it stopped but never gracefully (ie it crashed). but it's been a while since I used jack1.
The new version (and this could be Ubuntu quirk) instead of stopping is pegged in some kind of a
spinlock
that often times locks up the machine (this may be in part since I am running a lowlatency kernel with audio group given priority) and at
times
keeps it operational while hogging the cpu and making the computer
barely
responsive until jackd is killed. Apps connected to jack that I tested
so
far are also stuck in a loop waiting for a response from jack (although
this
could be the app's shortcoming)--jack never broadcasts a signal that it
has
lost the soundcard (AFAICT). FWIW I am running jackdmp through
qjackctl...
Any thoughts on this matter would be most appreciated.
I can't reproduce this. jack2 stops the backend when the device is disconnected. You can switch to a new backend using jack_control (sending some Dbus messages to jackd) without re-starting jackd. No CPU hogging here. - I'm running jack2 - aka 1.9.9.4 from git.
robin****
--
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(27) 8815 7170 (27) 3066 0359 (11) 95761 4125 (11) 2738 7868
www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros
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That is the regression I spoke of in pd 0.43 branch. Try pd-l2ork... On Nov 23, 2012 9:27 PM, "Esteban Viveros" emviveros@gmail.com wrote:
Ops... I did a better test, and doing first open Pd and then I open Jack. Now The DSP function work well, but I don't have sound...
On messages box I have:
00:18:26.321 Patchbay deactivated.
00:18:26.373 Statistics reset.
00:18:26.388 ALSA connection change.
00:18:26.440 JACK connection change.
00:18:26.467 Client activated.
00:18:52.992 JACK connection graph change.
00:18:53.134 JACK connection change.
00:19:38.102 Client deactivated.
00:19:38.103 Post-shutdown script...
00:19:38.103 dreamstudio-restart-pulseaudio
# making sure pulseaudio will restart if it crashes
# starting pulseaudio
# connecting pulseaudio to JACK
Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou
Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou
00:19:41.798 Post-shutdown script terminated with exit status=256.
00:19:44.297 JACK connection change.
00:19:44.311 Client activated.
00:20:38.543 JACK connection graph change.
00:20:38.693 JACK connection change.
00:20:42.648 ALSA connection graph change.
00:20:42.708 ALSA connection change.
00:20:42.709 ALSA connection graph change.
00:20:42.910 ALSA connection change.
00:20:45.334 JACK connection graph change.
00:20:45.514 JACK connection change.
00:20:52.993 JACK connection graph change.
00:20:53.014 Buffer size change (64).
What can I do now?
2012/11/23 Esteban Viveros emviveros@gmail.com
Hmmm... I can understand now...
Well.. I tried now the version of Jack on kxstudio testing ppahttps://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/testingand the problem is the same... :(
This ppa was install jack2, jackd and jackdfirewire packages on version 1.9.9 but the package libjack-jack2.0 is mantained on version 1.9.8
The next step will be to compile jack packages on version 1.9.9
Ivica, or anyone, you have some information how can I compile that? For that I need some help.
Regards
2012/11/23 Ivica Ico Bukvic ico@vt.edu
See below (from the linux-audio-user list):****
Re: [LAU] question about jackdmp's ability to detect its soundcard has disconnected****
Could this be the difference between 1.9.8 and git version?****
On Oct 29, 2012 12:10 PM, "Robin Gareus" robin@gareus.org wrote:****
On 10/29/2012 03:55 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
All,
I noticed since upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04 that the default Jack server
is
jackdmp (v.1.9.8). Please correct me if I am wrong but my
understanding this
is the smp-enabled version 2 that is being developed in parallel with
1.x
series of regular jack.
correct. They are also API and ABI compatible.
Either way, one of my concerns is that while in the old jack when one accidentally pulled the soundcard jack was trying to talk to (e.g. a
USB
soundcard), the jack would gracefully stop.
In my experience it stopped but never gracefully (ie it crashed). but it's been a while since I used jack1.
The new version (and this could be Ubuntu quirk) instead of stopping is pegged in some kind of a
spinlock
that often times locks up the machine (this may be in part since I am running a lowlatency kernel with audio group given priority) and at
times
keeps it operational while hogging the cpu and making the computer
barely
responsive until jackd is killed. Apps connected to jack that I tested
so
far are also stuck in a loop waiting for a response from jack
(although this
could be the app's shortcoming)--jack never broadcasts a signal that
it has
lost the soundcard (AFAICT). FWIW I am running jackdmp through
qjackctl...
Any thoughts on this matter would be most appreciated.
I can't reproduce this. jack2 stops the backend when the device is disconnected. You can switch to a new backend using jack_control (sending some Dbus messages to jackd) without re-starting jackd. No CPU hogging here. - I'm running jack2 - aka 1.9.9.4 from git.
robin****
--
Esteban Viveros
(27) 8815 7170 (27) 3066 0359 (11) 95761 4125 (11) 2738 7868
www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros
https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art
--
Esteban Viveros
(27) 8815 7170 (27) 3066 0359 (11) 95761 4125 (11) 2738 7868
www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros
https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art
http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/
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HUm... Ok... I will try!
But what the better? Jack 1.9.8 or 1.9.9?
2012/11/24 Ivica Bukvic ico@vt.edu
That is the regression I spoke of in pd 0.43 branch. Try pd-l2ork... On Nov 23, 2012 9:27 PM, "Esteban Viveros" emviveros@gmail.com wrote:
Ops... I did a better test, and doing first open Pd and then I open Jack. Now The DSP function work well, but I don't have sound...
On messages box I have:
00:18:26.321 Patchbay deactivated.
00:18:26.373 Statistics reset.
00:18:26.388 ALSA connection change.
00:18:26.440 JACK connection change.
00:18:26.467 Client activated.
00:18:52.992 JACK connection graph change.
00:18:53.134 JACK connection change.
00:19:38.102 Client deactivated.
00:19:38.103 Post-shutdown script...
00:19:38.103 dreamstudio-restart-pulseaudio
# making sure pulseaudio will restart if it crashes
# starting pulseaudio
# connecting pulseaudio to JACK
Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou
Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou
00:19:41.798 Post-shutdown script terminated with exit status=256.
00:19:44.297 JACK connection change.
00:19:44.311 Client activated.
00:20:38.543 JACK connection graph change.
00:20:38.693 JACK connection change.
00:20:42.648 ALSA connection graph change.
00:20:42.708 ALSA connection change.
00:20:42.709 ALSA connection graph change.
00:20:42.910 ALSA connection change.
00:20:45.334 JACK connection graph change.
00:20:45.514 JACK connection change.
00:20:52.993 JACK connection graph change.
00:20:53.014 Buffer size change (64).
What can I do now?
2012/11/23 Esteban Viveros emviveros@gmail.com
Hmmm... I can understand now...
Well.. I tried now the version of Jack on kxstudio testing ppahttps://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/testingand the problem is the same... :(
This ppa was install jack2, jackd and jackdfirewire packages on version 1.9.9 but the package libjack-jack2.0 is mantained on version 1.9.8
The next step will be to compile jack packages on version 1.9.9
Ivica, or anyone, you have some information how can I compile that? For that I need some help.
Regards
2012/11/23 Ivica Ico Bukvic ico@vt.edu
See below (from the linux-audio-user list):****
Re: [LAU] question about jackdmp's ability to detect its soundcard has disconnected****
Could this be the difference between 1.9.8 and git version?****
On Oct 29, 2012 12:10 PM, "Robin Gareus" robin@gareus.org wrote:****
On 10/29/2012 03:55 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
All,
I noticed since upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04 that the default Jack
server is
jackdmp (v.1.9.8). Please correct me if I am wrong but my
understanding this
is the smp-enabled version 2 that is being developed in parallel with
1.x
series of regular jack.
correct. They are also API and ABI compatible.
Either way, one of my concerns is that while in the old jack when one accidentally pulled the soundcard jack was trying to talk to (e.g. a
USB
soundcard), the jack would gracefully stop.
In my experience it stopped but never gracefully (ie it crashed). but it's been a while since I used jack1.
The new version (and this could be Ubuntu quirk) instead of stopping is pegged in some kind of a
spinlock
that often times locks up the machine (this may be in part since I am running a lowlatency kernel with audio group given priority) and at
times
keeps it operational while hogging the cpu and making the computer
barely
responsive until jackd is killed. Apps connected to jack that I
tested so
far are also stuck in a loop waiting for a response from jack
(although this
could be the app's shortcoming)--jack never broadcasts a signal that
it has
lost the soundcard (AFAICT). FWIW I am running jackdmp through
qjackctl...
Any thoughts on this matter would be most appreciated.
I can't reproduce this. jack2 stops the backend when the device is disconnected. You can switch to a new backend using jack_control (sending some Dbus messages to jackd) without re-starting jackd. No CPU hogging here. - I'm running jack2 - aka 1.9.9.4 from git.
robin****
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With 1.9.8 and pd-l2ork all your problems will be solved except for the one caused by jack which in your case should not be a problem unless you physically disconnect (accidentally our otherwise) your audio hardware while jack is running. On Nov 24, 2012 7:44 AM, "Esteban Viveros" emviveros@gmail.com wrote:
HUm... Ok... I will try!
But what the better? Jack 1.9.8 or 1.9.9?
2012/11/24 Ivica Bukvic ico@vt.edu
That is the regression I spoke of in pd 0.43 branch. Try pd-l2ork... On Nov 23, 2012 9:27 PM, "Esteban Viveros" emviveros@gmail.com wrote:
Ops... I did a better test, and doing first open Pd and then I open Jack. Now The DSP function work well, but I don't have sound...
On messages box I have:
00:18:26.321 Patchbay deactivated.
00:18:26.373 Statistics reset.
00:18:26.388 ALSA connection change.
00:18:26.440 JACK connection change.
00:18:26.467 Client activated.
00:18:52.992 JACK connection graph change.
00:18:53.134 JACK connection change.
00:19:38.102 Client deactivated.
00:19:38.103 Post-shutdown script...
00:19:38.103 dreamstudio-restart-pulseaudio
# making sure pulseaudio will restart if it crashes
# starting pulseaudio
# connecting pulseaudio to JACK
Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou
Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou
00:19:41.798 Post-shutdown script terminated with exit status=256.
00:19:44.297 JACK connection change.
00:19:44.311 Client activated.
00:20:38.543 JACK connection graph change.
00:20:38.693 JACK connection change.
00:20:42.648 ALSA connection graph change.
00:20:42.708 ALSA connection change.
00:20:42.709 ALSA connection graph change.
00:20:42.910 ALSA connection change.
00:20:45.334 JACK connection graph change.
00:20:45.514 JACK connection change.
00:20:52.993 JACK connection graph change.
00:20:53.014 Buffer size change (64).
What can I do now?
2012/11/23 Esteban Viveros emviveros@gmail.com
Hmmm... I can understand now...
Well.. I tried now the version of Jack on kxstudio testing ppahttps://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/testingand the problem is the same... :(
This ppa was install jack2, jackd and jackdfirewire packages on version 1.9.9 but the package libjack-jack2.0 is mantained on version 1.9.8
The next step will be to compile jack packages on version 1.9.9
Ivica, or anyone, you have some information how can I compile that? For that I need some help.
Regards
2012/11/23 Ivica Ico Bukvic ico@vt.edu
See below (from the linux-audio-user list):****
Re: [LAU] question about jackdmp's ability to detect its soundcard has disconnected****
Could this be the difference between 1.9.8 and git version?****
On Oct 29, 2012 12:10 PM, "Robin Gareus" robin@gareus.org wrote:****
On 10/29/2012 03:55 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
All,
I noticed since upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04 that the default Jack
server is
jackdmp (v.1.9.8). Please correct me if I am wrong but my
understanding this
is the smp-enabled version 2 that is being developed in parallel
with 1.x
series of regular jack.
correct. They are also API and ABI compatible.
Either way, one of my concerns is that while in the old jack when one accidentally pulled the soundcard jack was trying to talk to (e.g. a
USB
soundcard), the jack would gracefully stop.
In my experience it stopped but never gracefully (ie it crashed). but it's been a while since I used jack1.
The new version (and this could be Ubuntu quirk) instead of stopping is pegged in some kind of a
spinlock
that often times locks up the machine (this may be in part since I am running a lowlatency kernel with audio group given priority) and at
times
keeps it operational while hogging the cpu and making the computer
barely
responsive until jackd is killed. Apps connected to jack that I
tested so
far are also stuck in a loop waiting for a response from jack
(although this
could be the app's shortcoming)--jack never broadcasts a signal that
it has
lost the soundcard (AFAICT). FWIW I am running jackdmp through
qjackctl...
Any thoughts on this matter would be most appreciated.
I can't reproduce this. jack2 stops the backend when the device is disconnected. You can switch to a new backend using jack_control (sending some Dbus messages to jackd) without re-starting jackd. No CPU hogging here. - I'm running jack2 - aka 1.9.9.4 from git.
robin****
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Tx Ivica and Esteban,
as similarly afflicted user encouraged by this thread I followed this
recommendation, replaced pd and pd-extended with pd-l2ork.
Works flawlessly together with jack 1.9.9-test5 from kx-studio ppa, dsp
is switchable, some other bugs are gone, my patches run :D
You made my day and now I'm going to learn more about L2ork.
Gerhard
Am 24.11.2012 17:35, schrieb Ivica Bukvic:
With 1.9.8 and pd-l2ork all your problems will be solved except for the one caused by jack which in your case should not be a problem unless you physically disconnect (accidentally our otherwise) your audio hardware while jack is running.
On Nov 24, 2012 7:44 AM, "Esteban Viveros" <emviveros@gmail.com mailto:emviveros@gmail.com> wrote:
HUm... Ok... I will try! But what the better? Jack 1.9.8 or 1.9.9? 2012/11/24 Ivica Bukvic <ico@vt.edu <mailto:ico@vt.edu>> That is the regression I spoke of in pd 0.43 branch. Try pd-l2ork... On Nov 23, 2012 9:27 PM, "Esteban Viveros" <emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com>> wrote: Ops... I did a better test, and doing first open Pd and then I open Jack. Now The DSP function work well, but I don't have sound... On messages box I have: 00:18:26.321 Patchbay deactivated. 00:18:26.373 Statistics reset. 00:18:26.388 ALSA connection change. 00:18:26.440 JACK connection change. 00:18:26.467 Client activated. 00:18:52.992 JACK connection graph change. 00:18:53.134 JACK connection change. 00:19:38.102 Client deactivated. 00:19:38.103 Post-shutdown script... 00:19:38.103 dreamstudio-restart-pulseaudio # making sure pulseaudio will restart if it crashes # starting pulseaudio # connecting pulseaudio to JACK Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou 00:19:41.798 Post-shutdown script terminated with exit status=256. 00:19:44.297 JACK connection change. 00:19:44.311 Client activated. 00:20:38.543 JACK connection graph change. 00:20:38.693 JACK connection change. 00:20:42.648 ALSA connection graph change. 00:20:42.708 ALSA connection change. 00:20:42.709 ALSA connection graph change. 00:20:42.910 ALSA connection change. 00:20:45.334 JACK connection graph change. 00:20:45.514 JACK connection change. 00:20:52.993 JACK connection graph change. 00:20:53.014 Buffer size change (64). What can I do now? 2012/11/23 Esteban Viveros <emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com>> Hmmm... I can understand now... Well.. I tried now the version of Jack on kxstudio testing ppa <https://launchpad.net/%7Ekxstudio-team/+archive/testing> and the problem is the same... :( This ppa was install jack2, jackd and jackdfirewire packages on version 1.9.9 but the package libjack-jack2.0 is mantained on version 1.9.8 The next step will be to compile jack packages on version 1.9.9 Ivica, or anyone, you have some information how can I compile that? For that I need some help. Regards 2012/11/23 Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico@vt.edu <mailto:ico@vt.edu>> See below (from the linux-audio-user list): Re: [LAU] question about jackdmp's ability to detect its soundcard has disconnected Could this be the difference between 1.9.8 and git version? On Oct 29, 2012 12:10 PM, "Robin Gareus" <robin@gareus.org <mailto:robin@gareus.org>> wrote: On 10/29/2012 03:55 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > All, > > I noticed since upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04 that the default Jack server is > jackdmp (v.1.9.8). Please correct me if I am wrong but my understanding this > is the smp-enabled version 2 that is being developed in parallel with 1.x > series of regular jack. correct. They are also API and ABI compatible. > Either way, one of my concerns is that while in the old jack when one > accidentally pulled the soundcard jack was trying to talk to (e.g. a USB > soundcard), the jack would gracefully stop. In my experience it stopped but never gracefully (ie it crashed). but it's been a while since I used jack1. > The new version (and this could > be Ubuntu quirk) instead of stopping is pegged in some kind of a spinlock > that often times locks up the machine (this may be in part since I am > running a lowlatency kernel with audio group given priority) and at times > keeps it operational while hogging the cpu and making the computer barely > responsive until jackd is killed. Apps connected to jack that I tested so > far are also stuck in a loop waiting for a response from jack (although this > could be the app's shortcoming)--jack never broadcasts a signal that it has > lost the soundcard (AFAICT). FWIW I am running jackdmp through qjackctl... > Any thoughts on this matter would be most appreciated. > I can't reproduce this. jack2 stops the backend when the device is disconnected. You can switch to a new backend using jack_control (sending some Dbus messages to jackd) without re-starting jackd. No CPU hogging here. - I'm running jack2 - aka 1.9.9.4 from git. robin -- Esteban Viveros (27) 8815 7170 (27) 3066 0359 (11) 95761 4125 (11) 2738 7868 www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros <http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros> https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ http://expurgacao.art.br/ -- Esteban Viveros (27) 8815 7170 (27) 3066 0359 (11) 95761 4125 (11) 2738 7868 www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros <http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros> https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ http://expurgacao.art.br/ _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Esteban Viveros (27) 8815 7170 (27) 3066 0359 (11) 95761 4125 (11) 2738 7868 www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros <http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros> https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ http://expurgacao.art.br/ _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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You're very welcome! Glad to hear things worked out for you :-)
FWIW latest pd-l2ork release has a bug in creb externals. This has been fixed in git but the new release candidate is at least a week or two out. So, if you are using creb, try compiling from git.
Best wishes,
Ico On Nov 24, 2012 5:59 PM, "Gerhard Lang" lang.gerhard@gmail.com wrote:
Tx Ivica and Esteban, as similarly afflicted user encouraged by this thread I followed this recommendation, replaced pd and pd-extended with pd-l2ork. Works flawlessly together with jack 1.9.9-test5 from kx-studio ppa, dsp is switchable, some other bugs are gone, my patches run :D You made my day and now I'm going to learn more about L2ork. Gerhard
Am 24.11.2012 17:35, schrieb Ivica Bukvic:
With 1.9.8 and pd-l2ork all your problems will be solved except for the one caused by jack which in your case should not be a problem unless you physically disconnect (accidentally our otherwise) your audio hardware while jack is running.
On Nov 24, 2012 7:44 AM, "Esteban Viveros" <emviveros@gmail.com mailto: emviveros@gmail.com> wrote:
HUm... Ok... I will try! But what the better? Jack 1.9.8 or 1.9.9? 2012/11/24 Ivica Bukvic <ico@vt.edu <mailto:ico@vt.edu>> That is the regression I spoke of in pd 0.43 branch. Try pd-l2ork... On Nov 23, 2012 9:27 PM, "Esteban Viveros" <emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com>> wrote: Ops... I did a better test, and doing first open Pd and then I open Jack. Now The DSP function work well, but I don't have sound... On messages box I have: 00:18:26.321 Patchbay deactivated. 00:18:26.373 Statistics reset. 00:18:26.388 ALSA connection change. 00:18:26.440 JACK connection change. 00:18:26.467 Client activated. 00:18:52.992 JACK connection graph change. 00:18:53.134 JACK connection change. 00:19:38.102 Client deactivated. 00:19:38.103 Post-shutdown script... 00:19:38.103 dreamstudio-restart-pulseaudio # making sure pulseaudio will restart if it crashes # starting pulseaudio # connecting pulseaudio to JACK Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou 00:19:41.798 Post-shutdown script terminated with exit status=256. 00:19:44.297 JACK connection change. 00:19:44.311 Client activated. 00:20:38.543 JACK connection graph change. 00:20:38.693 JACK connection change. 00:20:42.648 ALSA connection graph change. 00:20:42.708 ALSA connection change. 00:20:42.709 ALSA connection graph change. 00:20:42.910 ALSA connection change. 00:20:45.334 JACK connection graph change. 00:20:45.514 JACK connection change. 00:20:52.993 JACK connection graph change. 00:20:53.014 Buffer size change (64). What can I do now? 2012/11/23 Esteban Viveros <emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com>> Hmmm... I can understand now... Well.. I tried now the version of Jack on kxstudio testing ppa <https://launchpad.net/%**7Ekxstudio-team/+archive/**testing https://launchpad.net/%7Ekxstudio-team/+archive/testing> and the problem is the same... :(
This ppa was install jack2, jackd and jackdfirewire packages on version 1.9.9 but the package libjack-jack2.0 is mantained on version 1.9.8 The next step will be to compile jack packages on version 1.9.9 Ivica, or anyone, you have some information how can I compile that? For that I need some help. Regards 2012/11/23 Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico@vt.edu <mailto:ico@vt.edu>> See below (from the linux-audio-user list): Re: [LAU] question about jackdmp's ability to detect its soundcard has disconnected Could this be the difference between 1.9.8 and git version? On Oct 29, 2012 12:10 PM, "Robin Gareus" <robin@gareus.org <mailto:robin@gareus.org>> wrote: On 10/29/2012 03:55 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > All, > > I noticed since upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04 that the default Jack server is > jackdmp (v.1.9.8). Please correct me if I am wrong but my understanding this > is the smp-enabled version 2 that is being developed in parallel with 1.x > series of regular jack. correct. They are also API and ABI compatible. > Either way, one of my concerns is that while in the old jack when one > accidentally pulled the soundcard jack was trying to talk to (e.g. a USB > soundcard), the jack would gracefully stop. In my experience it stopped but never gracefully (ie it crashed). but it's been a while since I used jack1. > The new version (and this could > be Ubuntu quirk) instead of stopping is pegged in some kind of a spinlock > that often times locks up the machine (this may be in part since I am > running a lowlatency kernel with audio group given priority) and at times > keeps it operational while hogging the cpu and making the computer barely > responsive until jackd is killed. Apps connected to jack that I tested so > far are also stuck in a loop waiting for a response from jack (although this > could be the app's shortcoming)--jack never broadcasts a signal that it has > lost the soundcard (AFAICT). FWIW I am running jackdmp through qjackctl... > Any thoughts on this matter would be most appreciated. > I can't reproduce this. jack2 stops the backend when the device is disconnected. You can switch to a new backend using jack_control (sending some Dbus messages to jackd) without re-starting jackd. No CPU hogging here. - I'm running jack2 - aka 1.9.9.4 from git. robin -- Esteban Viveros (27) 8815 7170 (27) 3066 0359 (11) 95761 4125 (11) 2738 7868 www.bandpage.com/**estebanviveros<http://www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros> <http://soundcloud.com/**estebanviveros<http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros>https://www.facebook.com/**estebanviveros.art<https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art> http://www.papodecompositor-**es.blogspot.com.br/<http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/> http://expurgacao.art.br/ -- Esteban Viveros (27) 8815 7170 (27) 3066 0359 (11) 95761 4125 (11) 2738 7868 www.bandpage.com/**estebanviveros<http://www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros> <http://soundcloud.com/**estebanviveros<http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros>https://www.facebook.com/**estebanviveros.art<https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art> http://www.papodecompositor-**es.blogspot.com.br/<http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/> http://expurgacao.art.br/ ______________________________**_________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/**listinfo/pd-list<http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list> -- Esteban Viveros (27) 8815 7170 (27) 3066 0359 (11) 95761 4125 (11) 2738 7868 www.bandpage.com/**estebanviveros<http://www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros><http://soundcloud.com/**estebanviveroshttp://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros
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If someone can point me to the commit that fixes this, I'm happy to include it in Pd-extended 0.43. I just never use Jack, so I don't know what's what. Things work in my basic tests.
I know that Miller changed this stuff in pure-data.git.
.hc
On Nov 24, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Gerhard Lang wrote:
Tx Ivica and Esteban, as similarly afflicted user encouraged by this thread I followed this recommendation, replaced pd and pd-extended with pd-l2ork. Works flawlessly together with jack 1.9.9-test5 from kx-studio ppa, dsp is switchable, some other bugs are gone, my patches run :D You made my day and now I'm going to learn more about L2ork. Gerhard
Am 24.11.2012 17:35, schrieb Ivica Bukvic:
With 1.9.8 and pd-l2ork all your problems will be solved except for the one caused by jack which in your case should not be a problem unless you physically disconnect (accidentally our otherwise) your audio hardware while jack is running.
On Nov 24, 2012 7:44 AM, "Esteban Viveros" <emviveros@gmail.com mailto:emviveros@gmail.com> wrote:
HUm... Ok... I will try!
But what the better? Jack 1.9.8 or 1.9.9?
2012/11/24 Ivica Bukvic <ico@vt.edu mailto:ico@vt.edu>
That is the regression I spoke of in pd 0.43 branch. Try pd-l2ork... On Nov 23, 2012 9:27 PM, "Esteban Viveros" <emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com>> wrote: Ops... I did a better test, and doing first open Pd and then I open Jack. Now The DSP function work well, but I don't have sound... On messages box I have: 00:18:26.321 Patchbay deactivated. 00:18:26.373 Statistics reset. 00:18:26.388 ALSA connection change. 00:18:26.440 JACK connection change. 00:18:26.467 Client activated. 00:18:52.992 JACK connection graph change. 00:18:53.134 JACK connection change. 00:19:38.102 Client deactivated. 00:19:38.103 Post-shutdown script... 00:19:38.103 dreamstudio-restart-pulseaudio # making sure pulseaudio will restart if it crashes # starting pulseaudio # connecting pulseaudio to JACK Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou 00:19:41.798 Post-shutdown script terminated with exit status=256. 00:19:44.297 JACK connection change. 00:19:44.311 Client activated. 00:20:38.543 JACK connection graph change. 00:20:38.693 JACK connection change. 00:20:42.648 ALSA connection graph change. 00:20:42.708 ALSA connection change. 00:20:42.709 ALSA connection graph change. 00:20:42.910 ALSA connection change. 00:20:45.334 JACK connection graph change. 00:20:45.514 JACK connection change. 00:20:52.993 JACK connection graph change. 00:20:53.014 Buffer size change (64). What can I do now? 2012/11/23 Esteban Viveros <emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com>> Hmmm... I can understand now... Well.. I tried now the version of Jack on kxstudio testing ppa <https://launchpad.net/%7Ekxstudio-team/+archive/testing> and the problem is the same... :( This ppa was install jack2, jackd and jackdfirewire packages on version 1.9.9 but the package libjack-jack2.0 is mantained on version 1.9.8 The next step will be to compile jack packages on version 1.9.9 Ivica, or anyone, you have some information how can I compile that? For that I need some help. Regards 2012/11/23 Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico@vt.edu <mailto:ico@vt.edu>> See below (from the linux-audio-user list): Re: [LAU] question about jackdmp's ability to detect its soundcard has disconnected Could this be the difference between 1.9.8 and git version? On Oct 29, 2012 12:10 PM, "Robin Gareus" <robin@gareus.org <mailto:robin@gareus.org>> wrote: On 10/29/2012 03:55 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > All, > > I noticed since upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04 that the default Jack server is > jackdmp (v.1.9.8). Please correct me if I am wrong but my understanding this > is the smp-enabled version 2 that is being developed in parallel with 1.x > series of regular jack. correct. They are also API and ABI compatible. > Either way, one of my concerns is that while in the old jack when one > accidentally pulled the soundcard jack was trying to talk to (e.g. a USB > soundcard), the jack would gracefully stop. In my experience it stopped but never gracefully (ie it crashed). but it's been a while since I used jack1. > The new version (and this could > be Ubuntu quirk) instead of stopping is pegged in some kind of a spinlock > that often times locks up the machine (this may be in part since I am > running a lowlatency kernel with audio group given priority) and at times > keeps it operational while hogging the cpu and making the computer barely > responsive until jackd is killed. Apps connected to jack that I tested so > far are also stuck in a loop waiting for a response from jack (although this > could be the app's shortcoming)--jack never broadcasts a signal that it has > lost the soundcard (AFAICT). FWIW I am running jackdmp through qjackctl... > Any thoughts on this matter would be most appreciated. > I can't reproduce this. jack2 stops the backend when the device is disconnected. You can switch to a new backend using jack_control (sending some Dbus messages to jackd) without re-starting jackd. No CPU hogging here. - I'm running jack2 - aka 1.9.9.4 from git. robin -- Esteban Viveros (27) 8815 7170 (27) 3066 0359 (11) 95761 4125 (11) 2738 7868 www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros <http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros> https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ http://expurgacao.art.br/ -- Esteban Viveros (27) 8815 7170 (27) 3066 0359 (11) 95761 4125 (11) 2738 7868 www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros <http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros> https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ http://expurgacao.art.br/ _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list-- Esteban Viveros
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It would be amazing if Pd-extended 0.43 is put to work with jack... *.*
Pd-L2Ork can't suply my expectations..
objects like [output~] [Scope~] [envgen] don't work on the L2Ork version here..
My last chance would be pd-extended 0.43...
2012/11/24 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at
If someone can point me to the commit that fixes this, I'm happy to include it in Pd-extended 0.43. I just never use Jack, so I don't know what's what. Things work in my basic tests.
I know that Miller changed this stuff in pure-data.git.
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On Nov 24, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Gerhard Lang wrote:
Tx Ivica and Esteban, as similarly afflicted user encouraged by this thread I followed this
recommendation, replaced pd and pd-extended with pd-l2ork.
Works flawlessly together with jack 1.9.9-test5 from kx-studio ppa, dsp
is switchable, some other bugs are gone, my patches run :D
You made my day and now I'm going to learn more about L2ork. Gerhard
Am 24.11.2012 17:35, schrieb Ivica Bukvic:
With 1.9.8 and pd-l2ork all your problems will be solved except for the
one caused by jack which in your case should not be a problem unless you physically disconnect (accidentally our otherwise) your audio hardware while jack is running.
On Nov 24, 2012 7:44 AM, "Esteban Viveros" <emviveros@gmail.com<mailto:
emviveros@gmail.com>> wrote:
HUm... Ok... I will try!
But what the better? Jack 1.9.8 or 1.9.9?
2012/11/24 Ivica Bukvic <ico@vt.edu mailto:ico@vt.edu>
That is the regression I spoke of in pd 0.43 branch. Try pd-l2ork... On Nov 23, 2012 9:27 PM, "Esteban Viveros" <emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com>> wrote: Ops... I did a better test, and doing first open Pd and then I open Jack. Now The DSP function work well, but I don't have sound... On messages box I have: 00:18:26.321 Patchbay deactivated. 00:18:26.373 Statistics reset. 00:18:26.388 ALSA connection change. 00:18:26.440 JACK connection change. 00:18:26.467 Client activated. 00:18:52.992 JACK connection graph change. 00:18:53.134 JACK connection change. 00:19:38.102 Client deactivated. 00:19:38.103 Post-shutdown script... 00:19:38.103 dreamstudio-restart-pulseaudio # making sure pulseaudio will restart if it crashes # starting pulseaudio # connecting pulseaudio to JACK Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou 00:19:41.798 Post-shutdown script terminated with exit status=256. 00:19:44.297 JACK connection change. 00:19:44.311 Client activated. 00:20:38.543 JACK connection graph change. 00:20:38.693 JACK connection change. 00:20:42.648 ALSA connection graph change. 00:20:42.708 ALSA connection change. 00:20:42.709 ALSA connection graph change. 00:20:42.910 ALSA connection change. 00:20:45.334 JACK connection graph change. 00:20:45.514 JACK connection change. 00:20:52.993 JACK connection graph change. 00:20:53.014 Buffer size change (64). What can I do now? 2012/11/23 Esteban Viveros <emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com>> Hmmm... I can understand now... Well.. I tried now the version of Jack on kxstudio testing ppa <https://launchpad.net/%7Ekxstudio-team/+archive/testingand the problem is the same... :( This ppa was install jack2, jackd and jackdfirewire packages on version 1.9.9 but the package libjack-jack2.0 is mantained on version 1.9.8 The next step will be to compile jack packages on version 1.9.9 Ivica, or anyone, you have some information how can I compile that? For that I need some help. Regards 2012/11/23 Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico@vt.edu <mailto:ico@vt.edu>> See below (from the linux-audio-user list): Re: [LAU] question about jackdmp's ability to detect its soundcard has disconnected Could this be the difference between 1.9.8 and git version? On Oct 29, 2012 12:10 PM, "Robin Gareus" <robin@gareus.org <mailto:robin@gareus.org>> wrote: On 10/29/2012 03:55 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > All, > > I noticed since upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04 that the default Jack server is > jackdmp (v.1.9.8). Please correct me if I am wrong but my understanding this > is the smp-enabled version 2 that is being developed in parallel with 1.x > series of regular jack. correct. They are also API and ABI compatible. > Either way, one of my concerns is that while in the old jack when one > accidentally pulled the soundcard jack was trying to talk to (e.g. a USB > soundcard), the jack would gracefully stop. In my experience it stopped but never gracefully (ie it crashed). but it's been a while since I used jack1. > The new version (and this could > be Ubuntu quirk) instead of stopping is pegged in some kind of a spinlock > that often times locks up the machine (this may be in part since I am > running a lowlatency kernel with audio group given priority) and at times > keeps it operational while hogging the cpu and making the computer barely > responsive until jackd is killed. Apps connected to jack that I tested so > far are also stuck in a loop waiting for a response from jack (although this > could be the app's shortcoming)--jack never broadcasts a signal that it has > lost the soundcard (AFAICT). FWIW I am running jackdmp through qjackctl... > Any thoughts on this matter would be most appreciated. > I can't reproduce this. jack2 stops the backend when the device is disconnected. You can switch to a new backend using jack_control (sending some Dbus messages to jackd) without re-starting jackd. No CPU hogging here. - I'm running jack2 - aka 1.9.9.4 from git. robin -- Esteban Viveros (27) 8815 7170 (27) 3066 0359 (11) 95761 4125 (11) 2738 7868 www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros <http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros> https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ http://expurgacao.art.br/ -- Esteban Viveros (27) 8815 7170 (27) 3066 0359 (11) 95761 4125 (11) 2738 7868 www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros <http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros> https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ http://expurgacao.art.br/ _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list-- Esteban Viveros
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Scope~ and envgen work just fine here. Can you report what is broken with them? As for output~, I am not even sure what library is this a part of since I don't use it. Since pd-l2ork by default does not load all libraries, you need to explicitly call the object by its folder/lib, e.g. <libname>/output~
On 11/24/2012 09:16 PM, Esteban Viveros wrote:
It would be amazing if Pd-extended 0.43 is put to work with jack... *.*
Pd-L2Ork can't suply my expectations..
objects like [output~] [Scope~] [envgen] don't work on the L2Ork version here..
My last chance would be pd-extended 0.43...
2012/11/24 Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at mailto:hans@at.or.at>
If someone can point me to the commit that fixes this, I'm happy to include it in Pd-extended 0.43. I just never use Jack, so I don't know what's what. Things work in my basic tests. I know that Miller changed this stuff in pure-data.git. .hc On Nov 24, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Gerhard Lang wrote: > Tx Ivica and Esteban, > as similarly afflicted user encouraged by this thread I followed this recommendation, replaced pd and pd-extended with pd-l2ork. > Works flawlessly together with jack 1.9.9-test5 from kx-studio ppa, dsp is switchable, some other bugs are gone, my patches run :D > You made my day and now I'm going to learn more about L2ork. > Gerhard > > Am 24.11.2012 17:35, schrieb Ivica Bukvic: >> >> With 1.9.8 and pd-l2ork all your problems will be solved except for the one caused by jack which in your case should not be a problem unless you physically disconnect (accidentally our otherwise) your audio hardware while jack is running. >> >> On Nov 24, 2012 7:44 AM, "Esteban Viveros" <emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com> <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >> HUm... Ok... I will try! >> >> But what the better? Jack 1.9.8 or 1.9.9? >> >> >> 2012/11/24 Ivica Bukvic <ico@vt.edu <mailto:ico@vt.edu> <mailto:ico@vt.edu <mailto:ico@vt.edu>>> >> >> That is the regression I spoke of in pd 0.43 branch. Try >> pd-l2ork... >> >> On Nov 23, 2012 9:27 PM, "Esteban Viveros" >> <emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com> <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >> Ops... I did a better test, and doing first open Pd and >> then I open Jack. Now The DSP function work well, but I >> don't have sound... >> >> On messages box I have: >> >> 00:18:26.321 Patchbay deactivated. >> >> 00:18:26.373 Statistics reset. >> >> 00:18:26.388 ALSA connection change. >> >> 00:18:26.440 JACK connection change. >> >> 00:18:26.467 Client activated. >> >> 00:18:52.992 JACK connection graph change. >> >> 00:18:53.134 JACK connection change. >> >> 00:19:38.102 Client deactivated. >> >> 00:19:38.103 Post-shutdown script... >> >> 00:19:38.103 dreamstudio-restart-pulseaudio >> >> # making sure pulseaudio will restart if it crashes >> >> # starting pulseaudio >> >> # connecting pulseaudio to JACK >> >> Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou >> >> Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou >> >> 00:19:41.798 Post-shutdown script terminated with exit >> status=256. >> >> 00:19:44.297 JACK connection change. >> >> 00:19:44.311 Client activated. >> >> 00:20:38.543 JACK connection graph change. >> >> 00:20:38.693 JACK connection change. >> >> 00:20:42.648 ALSA connection graph change. >> >> 00:20:42.708 ALSA connection change. >> >> 00:20:42.709 ALSA connection graph change. >> >> 00:20:42.910 ALSA connection change. >> >> 00:20:45.334 JACK connection graph change. >> >> 00:20:45.514 JACK connection change. >> >> 00:20:52.993 JACK connection graph change. >> >> 00:20:53.014 Buffer size change (64). >> >> >> What can I do now? >> >> >> >> 2012/11/23 Esteban Viveros <emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com> >> <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com>>> >> >> Hmmm... I can understand now... >> >> Well.. I tried now the version of Jack on kxstudio >> testing ppa >> <https://launchpad.net/%7Ekxstudio-team/+archive/testing> >> and the problem is the same... :( >> >> This ppa was install jack2, jackd and jackdfirewire >> packages on version 1.9.9 but the package >> libjack-jack2.0 is mantained on version 1.9.8 >> >> The next step will be to compile jack packages on >> version 1.9.9 >> >> Ivica, or anyone, you have some information how can I >> compile that? For that I need some help. >> >> Regards >> >> >> 2012/11/23 Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico@vt.edu <mailto:ico@vt.edu> >> <mailto:ico@vt.edu <mailto:ico@vt.edu>>> >> >> See below (from the linux-audio-user list): >> >> Re: [LAU] question about jackdmp's ability to >> detect its soundcard has disconnected >> >> Could this be the difference between 1.9.8 and git >> version? >> >> On Oct 29, 2012 12:10 PM, "Robin Gareus" >> <robin@gareus.org <mailto:robin@gareus.org> <mailto:robin@gareus.org <mailto:robin@gareus.org>>> wrote: >> >> On 10/29/2012 03:55 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: >> > All, >> > >> > I noticed since upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04 that >> the default Jack server is >> > jackdmp (v.1.9.8). Please correct me if I am >> wrong but my understanding this >> > is the smp-enabled version 2 that is being >> developed in parallel with 1.x >> > series of regular jack. >> >> correct. They are also API and ABI compatible. >> >> > Either way, one of my concerns is that while in >> the old jack when one >> > accidentally pulled the soundcard jack was >> trying to talk to (e.g. a USB >> > soundcard), the jack would gracefully stop. >> >> In my experience it stopped but never gracefully >> (ie it crashed). but >> it's been a while since I used jack1. >> >> > The new version (and this could >> > be Ubuntu quirk) instead of stopping is pegged >> in some kind of a spinlock >> > that often times locks up the machine (this may >> be in part since I am >> > running a lowlatency kernel with audio group >> given priority) and at times >> > keeps it operational while hogging the cpu and >> making the computer barely >> > responsive until jackd is killed. Apps connected >> to jack that I tested so >> > far are also stuck in a loop waiting for a >> response from jack (although this >> > could be the app's shortcoming)--jack never >> broadcasts a signal that it has >> > lost the soundcard (AFAICT). FWIW I am running >> jackdmp through qjackctl... >> > Any thoughts on this matter would be most >> appreciated. >> > >> >> I can't reproduce this. jack2 stops the backend >> when the device is >> disconnected. You can switch to a new backend >> using jack_control >> (sending some Dbus messages to jackd) without >> re-starting jackd. No CPU >> hogging here. - I'm running jack2 - aka 1.9.9.4 >> from git. >> >> robin >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Esteban Viveros >> >> (27) 8815 7170 >> (27) 3066 0359 >> (11) 95761 4125 >> (11) 2738 7868 >> >> www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros <http://www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros> >> <http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros> >> >> https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art >> >> http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ >> >> http://expurgacao.art.br/ >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Esteban Viveros >> >> (27) 8815 7170 >> (27) 3066 0359 >> (11) 95761 4125 >> (11) 2738 7868 >> >> www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros <http://www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros> >> <http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros> >> >> https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art >> >> http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ >> >> http://expurgacao.art.br/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at>> mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Esteban Viveros >> >> (27) 8815 7170 >> (27) 3066 0359 >> (11) 95761 4125 >> (11) 2738 7868 >> >> www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros <http://www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros> <http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros> >> >> https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art >> >> http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ >> >> http://expurgacao.art.br/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at>> mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list--
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On 11/24/2012 11:32 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
Scope~ and envgen work just fine here. Can you report what is broken with them? As for output~, I am not even sure what library is this a part of since I don't use it. Since pd-l2ork by default does not load all libraries, you need to explicitly call the object by its folder/lib, e.g. <libname>/output~
On 11/24/2012 09:16 PM, Esteban Viveros wrote:
It would be amazing if Pd-extended 0.43 is put to work with jack... *.*
Pd-L2Ork can't suply my expectations..
objects like [output~] [Scope~] [envgen] don't work on the L2Ork version here..
My last chance would be pd-extended 0.43...
2012/11/24 Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at mailto:hans@at.or.at>
If someone can point me to the commit that fixes this, I'm happy to include it in Pd-extended 0.43. I just never use Jack, so I don't know what's what. Things work in my basic tests. I know that Miller changed this stuff in pure-data.git. .hc On Nov 24, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Gerhard Lang wrote: > Tx Ivica and Esteban, > as similarly afflicted user encouraged by this thread I followed this recommendation, replaced pd and pd-extended with pd-l2ork. > Works flawlessly together with jack 1.9.9-test5 from kx-studio ppa, dsp is switchable, some other bugs are gone, my patches run :D > You made my day and now I'm going to learn more about L2ork. > Gerhard > > Am 24.11.2012 17:35, schrieb Ivica Bukvic: >> >> With 1.9.8 and pd-l2ork all your problems will be solved except for the one caused by jack which in your case should not be a problem unless you physically disconnect (accidentally our otherwise) your audio hardware while jack is running. >> >> On Nov 24, 2012 7:44 AM, "Esteban Viveros" <emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com> <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >> HUm... Ok... I will try! >> >> But what the better? Jack 1.9.8 or 1.9.9? >> >> >> 2012/11/24 Ivica Bukvic <ico@vt.edu <mailto:ico@vt.edu> <mailto:ico@vt.edu <mailto:ico@vt.edu>>> >> >> That is the regression I spoke of in pd 0.43 branch. Try >> pd-l2ork... >> >> On Nov 23, 2012 9:27 PM, "Esteban Viveros" >> <emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com> <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >> Ops... I did a better test, and doing first open Pd and >> then I open Jack. Now The DSP function work well, but I >> don't have sound... >> >> On messages box I have: >> >> 00:18:26.321 Patchbay deactivated. >> >> 00:18:26.373 Statistics reset. >> >> 00:18:26.388 ALSA connection change. >> >> 00:18:26.440 JACK connection change. >> >> 00:18:26.467 Client activated. >> >> 00:18:52.992 JACK connection graph change. >> >> 00:18:53.134 JACK connection change. >> >> 00:19:38.102 Client deactivated. >> >> 00:19:38.103 Post-shutdown script... >> >> 00:19:38.103 dreamstudio-restart-pulseaudio >> >> # making sure pulseaudio will restart if it crashes >> >> # starting pulseaudio >> >> # connecting pulseaudio to JACK >> >> Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou >> >> Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou >> >> 00:19:41.798 Post-shutdown script terminated with exit >> status=256. >> >> 00:19:44.297 JACK connection change. >> >> 00:19:44.311 Client activated. >> >> 00:20:38.543 JACK connection graph change. >> >> 00:20:38.693 JACK connection change. >> >> 00:20:42.648 ALSA connection graph change. >> >> 00:20:42.708 ALSA connection change. >> >> 00:20:42.709 ALSA connection graph change. >> >> 00:20:42.910 ALSA connection change. >> >> 00:20:45.334 JACK connection graph change. >> >> 00:20:45.514 JACK connection change. >> >> 00:20:52.993 JACK connection graph change. >> >> 00:20:53.014 Buffer size change (64). >> >> >> What can I do now? >> >> >> >> 2012/11/23 Esteban Viveros <emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com> >> <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com>>> >> >> Hmmm... I can understand now... >> >> Well.. I tried now the version of Jack on kxstudio >> testing ppa >>https://launchpad.net/%7Ekxstudio-team/+archive/testing >> and the problem is the same... :( >> >> This ppa was install jack2, jackd and jackdfirewire >> packages on version 1.9.9 but the package >> libjack-jack2.0 is mantained on version 1.9.8 >> >> The next step will be to compile jack packages on >> version 1.9.9 >> >> Ivica, or anyone, you have some information how can I >> compile that? For that I need some help. >> >> Regards >> >> >> 2012/11/23 Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico@vt.edu mailto:ico@vt.edu >> <mailto:ico@vt.edu mailto:ico@vt.edu>> >> >> See below (from the linux-audio-user list): >> >> Re: [LAU] question about jackdmp's ability to >> detect its soundcard has disconnected >> >> Could this be the difference between 1.9.8 and git >> version? >> >> On Oct 29, 2012 12:10 PM, "Robin Gareus" >> <robin@gareus.org mailto:robin@gareus.org <mailto:robin@gareus.org mailto:robin@gareus.org>> wrote: >> >> On 10/29/2012 03:55 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: >> > All, >> > >> > I noticed since upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04 that >> the default Jack server is >> > jackdmp (v.1.9.8). Please correct me if I am >> wrong but my understanding this >> > is the smp-enabled version 2 that is being >> developed in parallel with 1.x >> > series of regular jack. >> >> correct. They are also API and ABI compatible. >> >> > Either way, one of my concerns is that while in >> the old jack when one >> > accidentally pulled the soundcard jack was >> trying to talk to (e.g. a USB >> > soundcard), the jack would gracefully stop. >> >> In my experience it stopped but never gracefully >> (ie it crashed). but >> it's been a while since I used jack1. >> >> > The new version (and this could >> > be Ubuntu quirk) instead of stopping is pegged >> in some kind of a spinlock >> > that often times locks up the machine (this may >> be in part since I am >> > running a lowlatency kernel with audio group >> given priority) and at times >> > keeps it operational while hogging the cpu and >> making the computer barely >> > responsive until jackd is killed. Apps connected >> to jack that I tested so >> > far are also stuck in a loop waiting for a >> response from jack (although this >> > could be the app's shortcoming)--jack never >> broadcasts a signal that it has >> > lost the soundcard (AFAICT). FWIW I am running >> jackdmp through qjackctl... >> > Any thoughts on this matter would be most >> appreciated. >> > >> >> I can't reproduce this. jack2 stops the backend >> when the device is >> disconnected. You can switch to a new backend >> using jack_control >> (sending some Dbus messages to jackd) without >> re-starting jackd. No CPU >> hogging here. - I'm running jack2 - aka 1.9.9.4 >> from git. >> >> robin >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Esteban Viveros >> >> (27) 8815 7170 >> (27) 3066 0359 >> (11) 95761 4125 >> (11) 2738 7868 >> >> www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros http://www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros >> http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros >> >> https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art >> >> http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ >> >> http://expurgacao.art.br/ >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Esteban Viveros >> >> (27) 8815 7170 >> (27) 3066 0359 >> (11) 95761 4125 >> (11) 2738 7868 >> >> www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros http://www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros >> http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros >> >> https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art >> >> http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ >> >> http://expurgacao.art.br/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Esteban Viveros >> >> (27) 8815 7170 >> (27) 3066 0359 >> (11) 95761 4125 >> (11) 2738 7868 >> >> www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros http://www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros >> >> https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art >> >> http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ >> >> http://expurgacao.art.br/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Is this the same as the one in the doc/3.audio.examples? If so, why this instead of ezoutput~.pd already provided by pddp?
FWIW, I believe less is more and having multiple redundant abstractions available makes both pd use and maintenance harder.
On 11/25/2012 12:19 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
output~.pd is an abstraction included in pd/extra/ Pd-extended.
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On 11/24/2012 11:32 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
Scope~ and envgen work just fine here. Can you report what is broken with them? As for output~, I am not even sure what library is this a part of since I don't use it. Since pd-l2ork by default does not load all libraries, you need to explicitly call the object by its folder/lib, e.g. <libname>/output~
On 11/24/2012 09:16 PM, Esteban Viveros wrote:
It would be amazing if Pd-extended 0.43 is put to work with jack... *.*
Pd-L2Ork can't suply my expectations..
objects like [output~] [Scope~] [envgen] don't work on the L2Ork version here..
My last chance would be pd-extended 0.43...
2012/11/24 Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at mailto:hans@at.or.at>
If someone can point me to the commit that fixes this, I'm happy to include it in Pd-extended 0.43. I just never use Jack, so I don't know what's what. Things work in my basic tests. I know that Miller changed this stuff in pure-data.git. .hc On Nov 24, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Gerhard Lang wrote: > Tx Ivica and Esteban, > as similarly afflicted user encouraged by this thread I followed this recommendation, replaced pd and pd-extended with pd-l2ork. > Works flawlessly together with jack 1.9.9-test5 from kx-studio ppa, dsp is switchable, some other bugs are gone, my patches run :D > You made my day and now I'm going to learn more about L2ork. > Gerhard > > Am 24.11.2012 17:35, schrieb Ivica Bukvic: >> >> With 1.9.8 and pd-l2ork all your problems will be solved except for the one caused by jack which in your case should not be a problem unless you physically disconnect (accidentally our otherwise) your audio hardware while jack is running. >> >> On Nov 24, 2012 7:44 AM, "Esteban Viveros" <emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com> <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >> HUm... Ok... I will try! >> >> But what the better? Jack 1.9.8 or 1.9.9? >> >> >> 2012/11/24 Ivica Bukvic <ico@vt.edu <mailto:ico@vt.edu> <mailto:ico@vt.edu <mailto:ico@vt.edu>>> >> >> That is the regression I spoke of in pd 0.43 branch. Try >> pd-l2ork... >> >> On Nov 23, 2012 9:27 PM, "Esteban Viveros" >> <emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com> <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >> Ops... I did a better test, and doing first open Pd and >> then I open Jack. Now The DSP function work well, but I >> don't have sound... >> >> On messages box I have: >> >> 00:18:26.321 Patchbay deactivated. >> >> 00:18:26.373 Statistics reset. >> >> 00:18:26.388 ALSA connection change. >> >> 00:18:26.440 JACK connection change. >> >> 00:18:26.467 Client activated. >> >> 00:18:52.992 JACK connection graph change. >> >> 00:18:53.134 JACK connection change. >> >> 00:19:38.102 Client deactivated. >> >> 00:19:38.103 Post-shutdown script... >> >> 00:19:38.103 dreamstudio-restart-pulseaudio >> >> # making sure pulseaudio will restart if it crashes >> >> # starting pulseaudio >> >> # connecting pulseaudio to JACK >> >> Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou >> >> Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou >> >> 00:19:41.798 Post-shutdown script terminated with exit >> status=256. >> >> 00:19:44.297 JACK connection change. >> >> 00:19:44.311 Client activated. >> >> 00:20:38.543 JACK connection graph change. >> >> 00:20:38.693 JACK connection change. >> >> 00:20:42.648 ALSA connection graph change. >> >> 00:20:42.708 ALSA connection change. >> >> 00:20:42.709 ALSA connection graph change. >> >> 00:20:42.910 ALSA connection change. >> >> 00:20:45.334 JACK connection graph change. >> >> 00:20:45.514 JACK connection change. >> >> 00:20:52.993 JACK connection graph change. >> >> 00:20:53.014 Buffer size change (64). >> >> >> What can I do now? >> >> >> >> 2012/11/23 Esteban Viveros <emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com> >> <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com>>> >> >> Hmmm... I can understand now... >> >> Well.. I tried now the version of Jack on kxstudio >> testing ppa >>https://launchpad.net/%7Ekxstudio-team/+archive/testing >> and the problem is the same... :( >> >> This ppa was install jack2, jackd and jackdfirewire >> packages on version 1.9.9 but the package >> libjack-jack2.0 is mantained on version 1.9.8 >> >> The next step will be to compile jack packages on >> version 1.9.9 >> >> Ivica, or anyone, you have some information how can I >> compile that? For that I need some help. >> >> Regards >> >> >> 2012/11/23 Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico@vt.edu mailto:ico@vt.edu >> <mailto:ico@vt.edu mailto:ico@vt.edu>> >> >> See below (from the linux-audio-user list): >> >> Re: [LAU] question about jackdmp's ability to >> detect its soundcard has disconnected >> >> Could this be the difference between 1.9.8 and git >> version? >> >> On Oct 29, 2012 12:10 PM, "Robin Gareus" >> <robin@gareus.org mailto:robin@gareus.org <mailto:robin@gareus.org mailto:robin@gareus.org>> wrote: >> >> On 10/29/2012 03:55 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: >> > All, >> > >> > I noticed since upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04 that >> the default Jack server is >> > jackdmp (v.1.9.8). Please correct me if I am >> wrong but my understanding this >> > is the smp-enabled version 2 that is being >> developed in parallel with 1.x >> > series of regular jack. >> >> correct. They are also API and ABI compatible. >> >> > Either way, one of my concerns is that while in >> the old jack when one >> > accidentally pulled the soundcard jack was >> trying to talk to (e.g. a USB >> > soundcard), the jack would gracefully stop. >> >> In my experience it stopped but never gracefully >> (ie it crashed). but >> it's been a while since I used jack1. >> >> > The new version (and this could >> > be Ubuntu quirk) instead of stopping is pegged >> in some kind of a spinlock >> > that often times locks up the machine (this may >> be in part since I am >> > running a lowlatency kernel with audio group >> given priority) and at times >> > keeps it operational while hogging the cpu and >> making the computer barely >> > responsive until jackd is killed. Apps connected >> to jack that I tested so >> > far are also stuck in a loop waiting for a >> response from jack (although this >> > could be the app's shortcoming)--jack never >> broadcasts a signal that it has >> > lost the soundcard (AFAICT). FWIW I am running >> jackdmp through qjackctl... >> > Any thoughts on this matter would be most >> appreciated. >> > >> >> I can't reproduce this. jack2 stops the backend >> when the device is >> disconnected. You can switch to a new backend >> using jack_control >> (sending some Dbus messages to jackd) without >> re-starting jackd. No CPU >> hogging here. - I'm running jack2 - aka 1.9.9.4 >> from git. >> >> robin >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Esteban Viveros >> >> (27) 8815 7170 >> (27) 3066 0359 >> (11) 95761 4125 >> (11) 2738 7868 >> >> www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros http://www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros >> http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros >> >> https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art >> >> http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ >> >> http://expurgacao.art.br/ >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Esteban Viveros >> >> (27) 8815 7170 >> (27) 3066 0359 >> (11) 95761 4125 >> (11) 2738 7868 >> >> www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros http://www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros >> http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros >> >> https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art >> >> http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ >> >> http://expurgacao.art.br/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Esteban Viveros >> >> (27) 8815 7170 >> (27) 3066 0359 >> (11) 95761 4125 >> (11) 2738 7868 >> >> www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros http://www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros >> >> https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art >> >> http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ >> >> http://expurgacao.art.br/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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In Pd-extended, there is one central output~.pd, so there is no longer one in 3.audio.examples. Pd-extended's output~.pd is basically pddp/ezoutput~.pd remixed to fit into the exact same box size as Pd-vanilla's 3.audio.examples/output~.pd
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On 11/25/2012 01:56 AM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
Is this the same as the one in the doc/3.audio.examples? If so, why this instead of ezoutput~.pd already provided by pddp?
FWIW, I believe less is more and having multiple redundant abstractions available makes both pd use and maintenance harder.
On 11/25/2012 12:19 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
output~.pd is an abstraction included in pd/extra/ Pd-extended.
.hc
On 11/24/2012 11:32 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
Scope~ and envgen work just fine here. Can you report what is broken with them? As for output~, I am not even sure what library is this a part of since I don't use it. Since pd-l2ork by default does not load all libraries, you need to explicitly call the object by its folder/lib, e.g. <libname>/output~
On 11/24/2012 09:16 PM, Esteban Viveros wrote:
It would be amazing if Pd-extended 0.43 is put to work with jack... *.*
Pd-L2Ork can't suply my expectations..
objects like [output~] [Scope~] [envgen] don't work on the L2Ork version here..
My last chance would be pd-extended 0.43...
2012/11/24 Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at mailto:hans@at.or.at>
If someone can point me to the commit that fixes this, I'm happy to include it in Pd-extended 0.43. I just never use Jack, so I don't know what's what. Things work in my basic tests. I know that Miller changed this stuff in pure-data.git. .hc On Nov 24, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Gerhard Lang wrote: > Tx Ivica and Esteban, > as similarly afflicted user encouraged by this thread I followed this recommendation, replaced pd and pd-extended with pd-l2ork. > Works flawlessly together with jack 1.9.9-test5 from kx-studio ppa, dsp is switchable, some other bugs are gone, my patches run :D > You made my day and now I'm going to learn more about L2ork. > Gerhard > > Am 24.11.2012 17:35, schrieb Ivica Bukvic: >> >> With 1.9.8 and pd-l2ork all your problems will be solved except for the one caused by jack which in your case should not be a problem unless you physically disconnect (accidentally our otherwise) your audio hardware while jack is running. >> >> On Nov 24, 2012 7:44 AM, "Esteban Viveros" <emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com> <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >> HUm... Ok... I will try! >> >> But what the better? Jack 1.9.8 or 1.9.9? >> >> >> 2012/11/24 Ivica Bukvic <ico@vt.edu <mailto:ico@vt.edu> <mailto:ico@vt.edu <mailto:ico@vt.edu>>> >> >> That is the regression I spoke of in pd 0.43 branch. Try >> pd-l2ork... >> >> On Nov 23, 2012 9:27 PM, "Esteban Viveros" >> <emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com> <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >> Ops... I did a better test, and doing first open Pd and >> then I open Jack. Now The DSP function work well, but I >> don't have sound... >> >> On messages box I have: >> >> 00:18:26.321 Patchbay deactivated. >> >> 00:18:26.373 Statistics reset. >> >> 00:18:26.388 ALSA connection change. >> >> 00:18:26.440 JACK connection change. >> >> 00:18:26.467 Client activated. >> >> 00:18:52.992 JACK connection graph change. >> >> 00:18:53.134 JACK connection change. >> >> 00:19:38.102 Client deactivated. >> >> 00:19:38.103 Post-shutdown script... >> >> 00:19:38.103 dreamstudio-restart-pulseaudio >> >> # making sure pulseaudio will restart if it crashes >> >> # starting pulseaudio >> >> # connecting pulseaudio to JACK >> >> Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou >> >> Falha: A inicialização do módulo falhou >> >> 00:19:41.798 Post-shutdown script terminated with exit >> status=256. >> >> 00:19:44.297 JACK connection change. >> >> 00:19:44.311 Client activated. >> >> 00:20:38.543 JACK connection graph change. >> >> 00:20:38.693 JACK connection change. >> >> 00:20:42.648 ALSA connection graph change. >> >> 00:20:42.708 ALSA connection change. >> >> 00:20:42.709 ALSA connection graph change. >> >> 00:20:42.910 ALSA connection change. >> >> 00:20:45.334 JACK connection graph change. >> >> 00:20:45.514 JACK connection change. >> >> 00:20:52.993 JACK connection graph change. >> >> 00:20:53.014 Buffer size change (64). >> >> >> What can I do now? >> >> >> >> 2012/11/23 Esteban Viveros <emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com> >> <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com <mailto:emviveros@gmail.com>>> >> >> Hmmm... I can understand now... >> >> Well.. I tried now the version of Jack on kxstudio >> testing ppa >>https://launchpad.net/%7Ekxstudio-team/+archive/testing >> and the problem is the same... :( >> >> This ppa was install jack2, jackd and jackdfirewire >> packages on version 1.9.9 but the package >> libjack-jack2.0 is mantained on version 1.9.8 >> >> The next step will be to compile jack packages on >> version 1.9.9 >> >> Ivica, or anyone, you have some information how can I >> compile that? For that I need some help. >> >> Regards >> >> >> 2012/11/23 Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico@vt.edu mailto:ico@vt.edu >> <mailto:ico@vt.edu mailto:ico@vt.edu>> >> >> See below (from the linux-audio-user list): >> >> Re: [LAU] question about jackdmp's ability to >> detect its soundcard has disconnected >> >> Could this be the difference between 1.9.8 and git >> version? >> >> On Oct 29, 2012 12:10 PM, "Robin Gareus" >> <robin@gareus.org mailto:robin@gareus.org <mailto:robin@gareus.org mailto:robin@gareus.org>> wrote: >> >> On 10/29/2012 03:55 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: >> > All, >> > >> > I noticed since upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04 that >> the default Jack server is >> > jackdmp (v.1.9.8). Please correct me if I am >> wrong but my understanding this >> > is the smp-enabled version 2 that is being >> developed in parallel with 1.x >> > series of regular jack. >> >> correct. They are also API and ABI compatible. >> >> > Either way, one of my concerns is that while in >> the old jack when one >> > accidentally pulled the soundcard jack was >> trying to talk to (e.g. a USB >> > soundcard), the jack would gracefully stop. >> >> In my experience it stopped but never gracefully >> (ie it crashed). but >> it's been a while since I used jack1. >> >> > The new version (and this could >> > be Ubuntu quirk) instead of stopping is pegged >> in some kind of a spinlock >> > that often times locks up the machine (this may >> be in part since I am >> > running a lowlatency kernel with audio group >> given priority) and at times >> > keeps it operational while hogging the cpu and >> making the computer barely >> > responsive until jackd is killed. Apps connected >> to jack that I tested so >> > far are also stuck in a loop waiting for a >> response from jack (although this >> > could be the app's shortcoming)--jack never >> broadcasts a signal that it has >> > lost the soundcard (AFAICT). FWIW I am running >> jackdmp through qjackctl... >> > Any thoughts on this matter would be most >> appreciated. >> > >> >> I can't reproduce this. jack2 stops the backend >> when the device is >> disconnected. You can switch to a new backend >> using jack_control >> (sending some Dbus messages to jackd) without >> re-starting jackd. No CPU >> hogging here. - I'm running jack2 - aka 1.9.9.4 >> from git. >> >> robin >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Esteban Viveros >> >> (27) 8815 7170 >> (27) 3066 0359 >> (11) 95761 4125 >> (11) 2738 7868 >> >> www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros http://www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros >> http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros >> >> https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art >> >> http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ >> >> http://expurgacao.art.br/ >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Esteban Viveros >> >> (27) 8815 7170 >> (27) 3066 0359 >> (11) 95761 4125 >> (11) 2738 7868 >> >> www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros http://www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros >> http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros >> >> https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art >> >> http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ >> >> http://expurgacao.art.br/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Esteban Viveros >> >> (27) 8815 7170 >> (27) 3066 0359 >> (11) 95761 4125 >> (11) 2738 7868 >> >> www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros http://www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros http://soundcloud.com/estebanviveros >> >> https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art >> >> http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ >> >> http://expurgacao.art.br/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Hi all
Johnny-come-lately I am . . .
I've experienced this problem since 0.43 (vanilla and extended), I believe, but I haven't really investigated it, because it didn't happen that often and I wasn't able to reliably reproduce it. Now I figured out a way to reliably reproduce it. It seems the likeliness is related to jackd's latency settings. The shorter the latency, the likelier is pd going to freeze. With a setting of 128 frames/period and 2 periods/buffer, I can reliably freeze pd by turning DSP off and on.
The problem seems related to the fact that switching DSP also switches the jack client on and off. I think the preferred way would be to be able to switch DSP on/off independently from switching audio back-end on/off.
@Miller Are you still planning to seperate dsp switching from audio backe-end switching for 0.44?
Roman
On Mit, 2012-11-21 at 20:35 -0200, Esteban Viveros wrote:
Hello,
I'm using pd-extended 0.43.4, installed via Hans-Cristoph Steiner ppa. I'm using this version because I can't install the stable version in Ubuntu 12.04.
The problem is, when I start pd with Jack in -rt mode or wherever mode, if I turn on dsp, they work well, but if I turn off, and try to turn on yet dsp, pd-extended freeze...
Closing Qjackctl (after some time ubuntu can close that) pd-extended returns to work, and I can use on alsa directly sucessfull..
Someone knows where I can comunicate this bug to the developers? Is here the place?
Thanks a lot!
--
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On Die, 2012-11-27 at 10:20 +0100, Roman Haefeli wrote:
The problem seems related to the fact that switching DSP also switches the jack client on and off. I think the preferred way would be to be able to switch DSP on/off independently from switching audio back-end on/off.
I just tested pd-l2ork and it seems this is exactly how it fixes the freeze problem: Turning DSP off does not kill the pd client in jack.
Roman
On Mit, 2012-11-21 at 20:35 -0200, Esteban Viveros wrote:
Hello,
I'm using pd-extended 0.43.4, installed via Hans-Cristoph Steiner ppa. I'm using this version because I can't install the stable version in Ubuntu 12.04.
The problem is, when I start pd with Jack in -rt mode or wherever mode, if I turn on dsp, they work well, but if I turn off, and try to turn on yet dsp, pd-extended freeze...
Closing Qjackctl (after some time ubuntu can close that) pd-extended returns to work, and I can use on alsa directly sucessfull..
Someone knows where I can comunicate this bug to the developers? Is here the place?
Thanks a lot!
--
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Is that the way it was in vanilla 0.42, or did something change in pd-l2ork?
.hc
On Nov 27, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
I just tested pd-l2ork and it seems this is exactly how it fixes the freeze problem: Turning DSP off does not kill the pd client in jack.
Roman
On Die, 2012-11-27 at 10:20 +0100, Roman Haefeli wrote:
The problem seems related to the fact that switching DSP also switches the jack client on and off. I think the preferred way would be to be able to switch DSP on/off independently from switching audio back-end on/off.
On Mit, 2012-11-21 at 20:35 -0200, Esteban Viveros wrote:
Hello,
I'm using pd-extended 0.43.4, installed via Hans-Cristoph Steiner ppa. I'm using this version because I can't install the stable version in Ubuntu 12.04.
The problem is, when I start pd with Jack in -rt mode or wherever mode, if I turn on dsp, they work well, but if I turn off, and try to turn on yet dsp, pd-extended freeze...
Closing Qjackctl (after some time ubuntu can close that) pd-extended returns to work, and I can use on alsa directly sucessfull..
Someone knows where I can comunicate this bug to the developers? Is here the place?
Thanks a lot!
--
Esteban Viveros
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I don't know. IIRC, Pd-{vanilla,extended} up to 0.42 behaved as pd-l2ork does now. Is pd-l2ork based on 0.42? If so, they (Ivica) wouldn't have had to fix it at all.
Roman
On Die, 2012-11-27 at 09:50 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Is that the way it was in vanilla 0.42, or did something change in pd-l2ork?
.hc
On Nov 27, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
I just tested pd-l2ork and it seems this is exactly how it fixes the freeze problem: Turning DSP off does not kill the pd client in jack.
Roman
On Die, 2012-11-27 at 10:20 +0100, Roman Haefeli wrote:
The problem seems related to the fact that switching DSP also switches the jack client on and off. I think the preferred way would be to be able to switch DSP on/off independently from switching audio back-end on/off.
On Mit, 2012-11-21 at 20:35 -0200, Esteban Viveros wrote:
Hello,
I'm using pd-extended 0.43.4, installed via Hans-Cristoph Steiner ppa. I'm using this version because I can't install the stable version in Ubuntu 12.04.
The problem is, when I start pd with Jack in -rt mode or wherever mode, if I turn on dsp, they work well, but if I turn off, and try to turn on yet dsp, pd-extended freeze...
Closing Qjackctl (after some time ubuntu can close that) pd-extended returns to work, and I can use on alsa directly sucessfull..
Someone knows where I can comunicate this bug to the developers? Is here the place?
Thanks a lot!
--
Esteban Viveros
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Two things:
- in 0.43 there has been a rewrite of audio backend which AFAICT broke jack
connectivity.
- 0.42 branch does not know when jack has died (as in quit or crashed) and
therefore hangs pd. This has been fixed in pd-l2ork.
Since it is a combination of 1 and 2 there is not a patch per se that can be shared since 0.43 branch uses different code base.
Best wishes,
Ico
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Is that the way it was in vanilla 0.42, or did something change in
pd-l2ork?
.hc
On Nov 27, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
I just tested pd-l2ork and it seems this is exactly how it fixes the freeze problem: Turning DSP off does not kill the pd client in jack.
Roman
On Die, 2012-11-27 at 10:20 +0100, Roman Haefeli wrote:
The problem seems related to the fact that switching DSP also switches the jack client on and off. I think the preferred way would be to be able to switch DSP on/off independently from switching audio back-end on/off.
On Mit, 2012-11-21 at 20:35 -0200, Esteban Viveros wrote:
Hello,
I'm using pd-extended 0.43.4, installed via Hans-Cristoph Steiner ppa. I'm using this version because I can't install the stable version in Ubuntu 12.04.
The problem is, when I start pd with Jack in -rt mode or wherever mode, if I turn on dsp, they work well, but if I turn off, and try to turn on yet dsp, pd-extended freeze...
Closing Qjackctl (after some time ubuntu can close that) pd-extended returns to work, and I can use on alsa directly sucessfull..
Someone knows where I can comunicate this bug to the developers? Is here the place?
Thanks a lot!
--
Esteban Viveros
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Hi, late for this, but problem persists in 0.43release. https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3602109&group_id=55...
I confirm it has to do with latency: under ~20ms, bug occurs. Also occurs when changing soundconfig. Two things: -as said, pd shouldn't recreate jack client on each dsp on. Other problem is that a jack patch is lost and replaced by straight connection (pd 0 -> system out 1 etc...). Very annoyingfor who use complex jack-patches... http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3519504&group_id=557...
20ms latency is very highfor live processing: I calculated pd adds
22ms. The round trip latency in the lower stable state for me at 48K is 88ms (measured with jdelay tool, with RME multiface)! make a sound, have a coffee and come back to listen (a bit exaggerated ;-) )...
rr
Le 27. 11. 12 10:20, Roman Haefeli a écrit :
Hi all
Johnny-come-lately I am . . .
I've experienced this problem since 0.43 (vanilla and extended), I believe, but I haven't really investigated it, because it didn't happen that often and I wasn't able to reliably reproduce it. Now I figured out a way to reliably reproduce it. It seems the likeliness is related to jackd's latency settings. The shorter the latency, the likelier is pd going to freeze. With a setting of 128 frames/period and 2 periods/buffer, I can reliably freeze pd by turning DSP off and on.
The problem seems related to the fact that switching DSP also switches the jack client on and off. I think the preferred way would be to be able to switch DSP on/off independently from switching audio back-end on/off.
@Miller Are you still planning to seperate dsp switching from audio backe-end switching for 0.44?
Roman
On Mit, 2012-11-21 at 20:35 -0200, Esteban Viveros wrote:
Hello,
I'm using pd-extended 0.43.4, installed via Hans-Cristoph Steiner ppa. I'm using this version because I can't install the stable version in Ubuntu 12.04.
The problem is, when I start pd with Jack in -rt mode or wherever mode, if I turn on dsp, they work well, but if I turn off, and try to turn on yet dsp, pd-extended freeze...
Closing Qjackctl (after some time ubuntu can close that) pd-extended returns to work, and I can use on alsa directly sucessfull..
Someone knows where I can comunicate this bug to the developers? Is here the place?
Thanks a lot!
--
Esteban Viveros
(27) 8815 7170 (27) 3066 0359 (11) 95761 4125 (11) 2738 7868
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Does this affect you on pd-l2ork as well? On Feb 2, 2013 3:10 AM, "Raphael Raccuia" rafael.raccuia@blindekinder.com wrote:
Hi, late for this, but problem persists in 0.43 release.
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3602109&group_id=55... I confirm it has to do with latency: under ~20ms, bug occurs. Also occurs when changing sound config. Two things: -as said, pd shouldn't recreate jack client on each dsp on. Other problem is that a jack patch is lost and replaced by straight connection (pd 0 -> system out 1 etc...). Very annoying for who use complex jack-patches...
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3519504&group_id=557...
22ms. The round trip latency in the lower stable state for me at 48K is88ms (measured with jdelay tool, with RME multiface)! make a sound, have a coffee and come back to listen (a bit exaggerated ;-) )...
rr
Le 27. 11. 12 10:20, Roman Haefeli a écrit :
Hi all
Johnny-come-lately I am . . .
I've experienced this problem since 0.43 (vanilla and extended), I believe, but I haven't really investigated it, because it didn't happen that often and I wasn't able to reliably reproduce it. Now I figured out a way to reliably reproduce it. It seems the likeliness is related to jackd's latency settings. The shorter the latency, the likelier is pd going to freeze. With a setting of 128 frames/period and 2 periods/buffer, I can reliably freeze pd by turning DSP off and on.
The problem seems related to the fact that switching DSP also switches the jack client on and off. I think the preferred way would be to be able to switch DSP on/off independently from switching audio back-end on/off.
@Miller Are you still planning to seperate dsp switching from audio backe-end switching for 0.44?
Roman
On Mit, 2012-11-21 at 20:35 -0200, Esteban Viveros wrote:
Hello,
I'm using pd-extended 0.43.4, installed via Hans-Cristoph Steiner ppa. I'm using this version because I can't install the stable version in Ubuntu 12.04.
The problem is, when I start pd with Jack in -rt mode or wherever mode, if I turn on dsp, they work well, but if I turn off, and try to turn on yet dsp, pd-extended freeze...
Closing Qjackctl (after some time ubuntu can close that) pd-extended returns to work, and I can use on alsa directly sucessfull..
Someone knows where I can comunicate this bug to the developers? Is here the place?
Thanks a lot!
--
Esteban Viveros
(27) 8815 7170 (27) 3066 0359 (11) 95761 4125 (11) 2738 7868 www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ http://expurgacao.art.br/
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Actually I didn't tried... At the moment I don't have so much time to experiment another version, maybe later, seems great project. rr Le 02. 02. 13 15:19, Ivica Bukvic a écrit :
Does this affect you on pd-l2ork as well?
On Feb 2, 2013 3:10 AM, "Raphael Raccuia" <rafael.raccuia@blindekinder.com mailto:rafael.raccuia@blindekinder.com> wrote:
Hi, late for this, but problem persists in 0.43release. https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3602109&group_id=55736&atid=478070 I confirm it has to do with latency: under ~20ms, bug occurs. Also occurs when changing soundconfig. Two things: -as said, pd shouldn't recreate jack client on each dsp on. Other problem is that a jack patch is lost and replaced by straight connection (pd 0 -> system out 1 etc...). Very annoyingfor who use complex jack-patches... http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3519504&group_id=55736&atid=478070 - >20ms latency is very highfor live processing: I calculated pd adds 22ms. The round trip latency in the lower stable state for me at 48K is 88ms (measured with jdelay tool, with RME multiface)! make a sound, have a coffee and come back to listen (a bit exaggerated ;-) )... rr Le 27. 11. 12 10:20, Roman Haefeli a écrit :Hi all Johnny-come-lately I am . . . I've experienced this problem since 0.43 (vanilla and extended), I believe, but I haven't really investigated it, because it didn't happen that often and I wasn't able to reliably reproduce it. Now I figured out a way to reliably reproduce it. It seems the likeliness is related to jackd's latency settings. The shorter the latency, the likelier is pd going to freeze. With a setting of 128 frames/period and 2 periods/buffer, I can reliably freeze pd by turning DSP off and on. The problem seems related to the fact that switching DSP also switches the jack client on and off. I think the preferred way would be to be able to switch DSP on/off independently from switching audio back-end on/off. @Miller Are you still planning to seperate dsp switching from audio backe-end switching for 0.44? Roman On Mit, 2012-11-21 at 20:35 -0200, Esteban Viveros wrote:Hello, I'm using pd-extended 0.43.4, installed via Hans-Cristoph Steiner ppa. I'm using this version because I can't install the stable version in Ubuntu 12.04. The problem is, when I start pd with Jack in -rt mode or wherever mode, if I turn on dsp, they work well, but if I turn off, and try to turn on yet dsp, pd-extended freeze... Closing Qjackctl (after some time ubuntu can close that) pd-extended returns to work, and I can use on alsa directly sucessfull.. Someone knows where I can comunicate this bug to the developers? Is here the place? Thanks a lot! -- Esteban Viveros (27) 8815 7170 (27) 3066 0359 (11) 95761 4125 (11) 2738 7868 www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros <http://www.bandpage.com/estebanviveros> https://www.facebook.com/estebanviveros.art http://www.papodecompositor-es.blogspot.com.br/ http://expurgacao.art.br/ _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list_______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list_______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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