Sorry for the noise -
I broke the variable delay reader in 0.47-0test3 - I've uploaded test4 to replace it... http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm etc. as usual.
cheers Miller
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I guess you sent this update as soon as I started writing an email about this delay bug :)
anyway, trying the object on this release confirms that the bug i pointed ( https://sourceforge.net/p/pure-data/bugs/1217/ ) still exists.
I'm now trying delread~ and finding that it has similar issues, i added an example patch to that issue thread - also attached here
moreover, i guess you can update the help file of delread~ too, so you refer to the new [delread4~] object name instead of the now "old" [vd~] in the "see also".
cheers
2016-05-02 2:04 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
Sorry for the noise -
I broke the variable delay reader in 0.47-0test3 - I've uploaded test4 to replace it... http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm etc. as usual.
cheers Miller
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just realized maybe it's not delread~ or delread4~ but an issue with delwrite~ :) - perhaps it just doesn't create a delay line as long as it says it does.
cheers
2016-05-02 2:44 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com:
I guess you sent this update as soon as I started writing an email about this delay bug :)
anyway, trying the object on this release confirms that the bug i pointed ( https://sourceforge.net/p/pure-data/bugs/1217/ ) still exists.
I'm now trying delread~ and finding that it has similar issues, i added an example patch to that issue thread - also attached here
moreover, i guess you can update the help file of delread~ too, so you refer to the new [delread4~] object name instead of the now "old" [vd~] in the "see also".
cheers
2016-05-02 2:04 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
Sorry for the noise -
I broke the variable delay reader in 0.47-0test3 - I've uploaded test4 to replace it... http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm etc. as usual.
cheers Miller
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OK... I think this is now fixed (just hoping it doesn't make for new bugs :)
Miller
On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 02:44:52AM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
I guess you sent this update as soon as I started writing an email about this delay bug :)
anyway, trying the object on this release confirms that the bug i pointed ( https://sourceforge.net/p/pure-data/bugs/1217/ ) still exists.
I'm now trying delread~ and finding that it has similar issues, i added an example patch to that issue thread - also attached here
moreover, i guess you can update the help file of delread~ too, so you refer to the new [delread4~] object name instead of the now "old" [vd~] in the "see also".
cheers
2016-05-02 2:04 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
Sorry for the noise -
I broke the variable delay reader in 0.47-0test3 - I've uploaded test4 to replace it... http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm etc. as usual.
cheers Miller
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2016-05-03 23:06 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
OK... I think this is now fixed (just hoping it doesn't make for new bugs :)
Awesome, I'll gladly test it out ;)
Thanks for being awesome and making something awesome....
+1
anyway, since some updates to the documentation have been happening - and since I care a lot about documentation - i've been searching for more things to point out. Here's a few more I ran accross:
there is no help file for:
[serial]
[loadbang] - I'm attaching one help file from old extended
[q8_sqrt~] & [q8_rsqrt~] will call the halp files of [sqrt~] & [rsqrt~] respectively, but there is no mention to these objects in the help files - seems all you have to do is mention them as well in it saying they are (and how they are) cheaper and less accurate versions.
I'll see if I can still find something more ;)
cheers
2016-05-04 0:32 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com:
2016-05-03 23:06 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
OK... I think this is now fixed (just hoping it doesn't make for new bugs :)
Awesome, I'll gladly test it out ;)
Thanks for being awesome and making something awesome....
+1
2016-05-04 0:43 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com:
[q8_sqrt~] & [q8_rsqrt~] will call the halp files of [sqrt~] & [rsqrt~] respectively, but there is no mention to these objects in the help files - seems all you have to do is mention them as well in it saying they are (and how they are) cheaper and less accurate versions.
Oops, I see there's no [rsqrt~] object listed in the "help-intro.pd" file, just [q8_sqrt~], [q8_rsqrt~] & [sqrt~]; so please just add it there too
I'm having crashes again with opening help patches (Win 7 binaries).
Not 100% reliable, but 'works' most of the time:
... Pd hangs and WerFault.exe pops up
Christof
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Sorry for the noise -
I broke the variable delay reader in 0.47-0test3 - I've uploaded test4 to replace it... http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm etc. as usual.
cheers Miller
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Yep - confirmed and I believe fixed. Thanks
M
On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 02:28:46PM +0200, Christof Ressi wrote:
I'm having crashes again with opening help patches (Win 7 binaries).
Not 100% reliable, but 'works' most of the time:
- Start Pd
- make a new canvas
- right click into emtpy canvas -> help (opening help-intro.pd)
- close help-intro.pd
- create empty [clone] object
- right click on [clone] -> help
... Pd hangs and WerFault.exe pops up
Christof
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Sorry for the noise -
I broke the variable delay reader in 0.47-0test3 - I've uploaded test4 to replace it... http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm etc. as usual.
cheers Miller
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I was calling [clone]'s help from "help-intro.pd" and it crashed, tried it a few more times and crashed again (but not always)
I had complained about this first and then it seemed it had been fixed, but not quite yet i guess
cheers
2016-05-04 18:11 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
Yep - confirmed and I believe fixed. Thanks
M
On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 02:28:46PM +0200, Christof Ressi wrote:
I'm having crashes again with opening help patches (Win 7 binaries).
Not 100% reliable, but 'works' most of the time:
- Start Pd
- make a new canvas
- right click into emtpy canvas -> help (opening help-intro.pd)
- close help-intro.pd
- create empty [clone] object
- right click on [clone] -> help
... Pd hangs and WerFault.exe pops up
Christof
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Sorry for the noise -
I broke the variable delay reader in 0.47-0test3 - I've uploaded test4 to replace it... http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm etc. as usual.
cheers Miller
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I think it's fixed now... almost ready to put out 0.47-0 for real :)
cheers Miller On Thu, May 05, 2016 at 11:16:46PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
I was calling [clone]'s help from "help-intro.pd" and it crashed, tried it a few more times and crashed again (but not always)
I had complained about this first and then it seemed it had been fixed, but not quite yet i guess
cheers
2016-05-04 18:11 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
Yep - confirmed and I believe fixed. Thanks
M
On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 02:28:46PM +0200, Christof Ressi wrote:
I'm having crashes again with opening help patches (Win 7 binaries).
Not 100% reliable, but 'works' most of the time:
- Start Pd
- make a new canvas
- right click into emtpy canvas -> help (opening help-intro.pd)
- close help-intro.pd
- create empty [clone] object
- right click on [clone] -> help
... Pd hangs and WerFault.exe pops up
Christof
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Sorry for the noise -
I broke the variable delay reader in 0.47-0test3 - I've uploaded test4 to replace it... http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm etc. as usual.
cheers Miller
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2016-05-05 23:55 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
almost ready to put out 0.47-0 for real :)
Awesome. I'd still have a couple of minor feature requests that I'd consider fair for this release so I'll insist on them; but I get it if you just wanna release it out for good - or if you have any thoughts against this or other issues, please share.
First: bringing back the paf~ external. I looked it up in the earlier releases and found the source from where it was last available (around 0.36 I guess). Here it is attached so you don't need to look for it. It kinda bother me that in the pd examples you mention it but it's not there, so if you decide to not bring it back, maybe remove this mention in F13.paf.control
Second: Add a clear method message to [delwrite~] so it clears its buffer - this would be extremely useful when implementing some feedback reverberators and not that much work on the code.
Thanks Alex
+1 on clear method for delwrite~ I have those forgotten snippets as a feature now and count on them, but it would be good for them to be optional. best,
J
On May 5, 2016, at 11:57 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com wrote:
2016-05-05 23:55 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette <msp@ucsd.edu mailto:msp@ucsd.edu>: almost ready to put out 0.47-0 for real :)
Awesome. I'd still have a couple of minor feature requests that I'd consider fair for this release so I'll insist on them; but I get it if you just wanna release it out for good - or if you have any thoughts against this or other issues, please share.
First: bringing back the paf~ external. I looked it up in the earlier releases and found the source from where it was last available (around 0.36 I guess). Here it is attached so you don't need to look for it. It kinda bother me that in the pd examples you mention it but it's not there, so if you decide to not bring it back, maybe remove this mention in F13.paf.control - but checking the source, seems like a fine code to go to waste :)
Second: Add a clear method message to [delwrite~] so it clears its buffer - this would be extremely useful when implementing some feedback reverberators and not that much work on the code.
Thanks Alex
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My problem with a "clear" method for delwrite~ is that it takes a data-dependent amount of time to carry out. OTOH, there's a way to clear arrays. Some thinking is needed to figure out how to clearly distinguish between operations that are best carried out at "startup time" (whatever that means) and things that one can get away with in real time. I haven't figured out how to deal with this yet.
cheers M
On Fri, May 06, 2016 at 12:19:02AM -0400, Jaime Oliver wrote:
+1 on clear method for delwrite~ I have those forgotten snippets as a feature now and count on them, but it would be good for them to be optional. best,
J
On May 5, 2016, at 11:57 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com wrote:
2016-05-05 23:55 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette <msp@ucsd.edu mailto:msp@ucsd.edu>: almost ready to put out 0.47-0 for real :)
Awesome. I'd still have a couple of minor feature requests that I'd consider fair for this release so I'll insist on them; but I get it if you just wanna release it out for good - or if you have any thoughts against this or other issues, please share.
First: bringing back the paf~ external. I looked it up in the earlier releases and found the source from where it was last available (around 0.36 I guess). Here it is attached so you don't need to look for it. It kinda bother me that in the pd examples you mention it but it's not there, so if you decide to not bring it back, maybe remove this mention in F13.paf.control - but checking the source, seems like a fine code to go to waste :)
Second: Add a clear method message to [delwrite~] so it clears its buffer - this would be extremely useful when implementing some feedback reverberators and not that much work on the code.
Thanks Alex
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Pd-L2ork included a clear method for delwrite~ no idea how it works or how it addresses the issues you raised - because I just don't really know what you're talking about :)
but anyway, here's the source code attached for you to check it out
and here is the clear method excerpt:
static void sigdelwrite_clear(t_sigdelwrite *x) { int n = XTRASAMPS + x->x_cspace.c_n; memset(x->x_cspace.c_vec, 0, n * sizeof(t_sample)); }
Please check it out... and say, can you get away with in real time as you hoped so?
Cheers
2016-05-07 15:08 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
My problem with a "clear" method for delwrite~ is that it takes a data-dependent amount of time to carry out. OTOH, there's a way to clear arrays. Some thinking is needed to figure out how to clearly distinguish between operations that are best carried out at "startup time" (whatever that means) and things that one can get away with in real time. I haven't figured out how to deal with this yet.
cheers M
On Fri, May 06, 2016 at 12:19:02AM -0400, Jaime Oliver wrote:
+1 on clear method for delwrite~ I have those forgotten snippets as a feature now and count on them, but
it would be good for them to be optional.
best,
J
On May 5, 2016, at 11:57 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com
wrote:
2016-05-05 23:55 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette <msp@ucsd.edu <mailto:
msp@ucsd.edu>>:
almost ready to put out 0.47-0 for real :)
Awesome. I'd still have a couple of minor feature requests that I'd
consider fair for this release so I'll insist on them; but I get it if you just wanna release it out for good - or if you have any thoughts against this or other issues, please share.
First: bringing back the paf~ external. I looked it up in the earlier
releases and found the source from where it was last available (around 0.36 I guess). Here it is attached so you don't need to look for it. It kinda bother me that in the pd examples you mention it but it's not there, so if you decide to not bring it back, maybe remove this mention in F13.paf.control - but checking the source, seems like a fine code to go to waste :)
Second: Add a clear method message to [delwrite~] so it clears its
buffer - this would be extremely useful when implementing some feedback reverberators and not that much work on the code.
Thanks Alex
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2016-05-07 19:25 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com:
can you get away with in real time as you hoped so?
well, just saying trying it as a user for my purposes, it seems to work just fine :)
Hi Miller,
I just discovered another minor bug.
In the help patch for [list] it says:
"In general, inlets that take lists (two each for append/prepend, and one each for split and trim) will convert non-list messages (such as "set 5") to lists (such as "list set 5" automatically.)"
The recently added [list fromsymbol] and [list tosymbol] objects don't comply with this rule yet, as they will complain if you pass them non-list messages.
Christof
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I think it's fixed now... almost ready to put out 0.47-0 for real :)
cheers Miller On Thu, May 05, 2016 at 11:16:46PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
I was calling [clone]'s help from "help-intro.pd" and it crashed, tried it a few more times and crashed again (but not always)
I had complained about this first and then it seemed it had been fixed, but not quite yet i guess
cheers
2016-05-04 18:11 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
Yep - confirmed and I believe fixed. Thanks
M
On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 02:28:46PM +0200, Christof Ressi wrote:
I'm having crashes again with opening help patches (Win 7 binaries).
Not 100% reliable, but 'works' most of the time:
- Start Pd
- make a new canvas
- right click into emtpy canvas -> help (opening help-intro.pd)
- close help-intro.pd
- create empty [clone] object
- right click on [clone] -> help
... Pd hangs and WerFault.exe pops up
Christof
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Sorry for the noise -
I broke the variable delay reader in 0.47-0test3 - I've uploaded test4 to replace it... http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm etc. as usual.
cheers Miller
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Also, the serializer example in the [list] help patch is a bit dangerous, because the recursion will easily cause a stack overflow for longer lists :-). Maybe make a second serializer example with the iterative approach (although not linear in time either) could be added? Plus a hint to [list-drip] or [drip] as long as the problem with deep copies is not fixed?
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Hi Miller,
I just discovered another minor bug.
In the help patch for [list] it says:
"In general, inlets that take lists (two each for append/prepend, and one each for split and trim) will convert non-list messages (such as "set 5") to lists (such as "list set 5" automatically.)"
The recently added [list fromsymbol] and [list tosymbol] objects don't comply with this rule yet, as they will complain if you pass them non-list messages.
Christof
Gesendet: Freitag, 06. Mai 2016 um 04:55 Uhr Von: "Miller Puckette" msp@ucsd.edu An: "Alexandre Torres Porres" porres@gmail.com Cc: "pd-lista puredata" pd-list@iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Oops, test3 bad, test4 up now
I think it's fixed now... almost ready to put out 0.47-0 for real :)
cheers Miller On Thu, May 05, 2016 at 11:16:46PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
I was calling [clone]'s help from "help-intro.pd" and it crashed, tried it a few more times and crashed again (but not always)
I had complained about this first and then it seemed it had been fixed, but not quite yet i guess
cheers
2016-05-04 18:11 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
Yep - confirmed and I believe fixed. Thanks
M
On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 02:28:46PM +0200, Christof Ressi wrote:
I'm having crashes again with opening help patches (Win 7 binaries).
Not 100% reliable, but 'works' most of the time:
- Start Pd
- make a new canvas
- right click into emtpy canvas -> help (opening help-intro.pd)
- close help-intro.pd
- create empty [clone] object
- right click on [clone] -> help
... Pd hangs and WerFault.exe pops up
Christof
Gesendet: Montag, 02. Mai 2016 um 07:04 Uhr Von: "Miller Puckette" msp@ucsd.edu An: pd-announce@iem.at Betreff: [PD] [PD-announce] Oops, test3 bad, test4 up now
Sorry for the noise -
I broke the variable delay reader in 0.47-0test3 - I've uploaded test4 to replace it... http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm etc. as usual.
cheers Miller
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I believe its main problem is jst that it's inefficient, not that it gives stack overflows... I added a comment about that. I want to fix "list" so that this can run in linear time but haven't done that yet :)
M
On Fri, May 06, 2016 at 06:12:56PM +0200, Christof Ressi wrote:
Also, the serializer example in the [list] help patch is a bit dangerous, because the recursion will easily cause a stack overflow for longer lists :-). Maybe make a second serializer example with the iterative approach (although not linear in time either) could be added? Plus a hint to [list-drip] or [drip] as long as the problem with deep copies is not fixed?
Gesendet: Freitag, 06. Mai 2016 um 18:01 Uhr Von: "Christof Ressi" christof.ressi@gmx.at An: "Miller Puckette" msp@ucsd.edu Cc: "pd-lista puredata" pd-list@iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Oops, test3 bad, test4 up now
Hi Miller,
I just discovered another minor bug.
In the help patch for [list] it says:
"In general, inlets that take lists (two each for append/prepend, and one each for split and trim) will convert non-list messages (such as "set 5") to lists (such as "list set 5" automatically.)"
The recently added [list fromsymbol] and [list tosymbol] objects don't comply with this rule yet, as they will complain if you pass them non-list messages.
Christof
Gesendet: Freitag, 06. Mai 2016 um 04:55 Uhr Von: "Miller Puckette" msp@ucsd.edu An: "Alexandre Torres Porres" porres@gmail.com Cc: "pd-lista puredata" pd-list@iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Oops, test3 bad, test4 up now
I think it's fixed now... almost ready to put out 0.47-0 for real :)
cheers Miller On Thu, May 05, 2016 at 11:16:46PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
I was calling [clone]'s help from "help-intro.pd" and it crashed, tried it a few more times and crashed again (but not always)
I had complained about this first and then it seemed it had been fixed, but not quite yet i guess
cheers
2016-05-04 18:11 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
Yep - confirmed and I believe fixed. Thanks
M
On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 02:28:46PM +0200, Christof Ressi wrote:
I'm having crashes again with opening help patches (Win 7 binaries).
Not 100% reliable, but 'works' most of the time:
- Start Pd
- make a new canvas
- right click into emtpy canvas -> help (opening help-intro.pd)
- close help-intro.pd
- create empty [clone] object
- right click on [clone] -> help
... Pd hangs and WerFault.exe pops up
Christof
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Hello,
Is it possible to have a finer-grained zoom?
Forgive the toy metaphors, but at least on my setup (Ubuntu Studio/basically Xubuntu 15.10, 1920x1080 res), there's only two zoom levels: the regular Lego size, and the pretty huge Duplo size. Ideally it'd be useful to have some steps in the middle, some transitionary Lego/Duplo hybrid steps. Thanks!
Derek
Sorry for the noise -
I broke the variable delay reader in 0.47-0test3 - I've uploaded test4 to replace it... http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm etc. as usual.
cheers Miller
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I love the metaphor. Duplos and legos work together precisely because of the integer ratio.
I think I do have to make some adjustments to zooming:
offer 150% zoom fix it so that editing a zoomed patch can't get "between pixels" on the un-zoomed version (so that save/restore works exactly; patches are saved in the un-zoomed state) (maybe) enlarge small windows when you zoom them, as long as the resulting window would still fit on the screen
I think this is more than I can safely do between "test3" and "production" so will put these off to the next version, sorry...
M
On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 01:33:38PM -0700, Derek Kwan wrote:
Hello,
Is it possible to have a finer-grained zoom?
Forgive the toy metaphors, but at least on my setup (Ubuntu Studio/basically Xubuntu 15.10, 1920x1080 res), there's only two zoom levels: the regular Lego size, and the pretty huge Duplo size. Ideally it'd be useful to have some steps in the middle, some transitionary Lego/Duplo hybrid steps. Thanks!
Derek
Sorry for the noise -
I broke the variable delay reader in 0.47-0test3 - I've uploaded test4 to replace it... http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm etc. as usual.
cheers Miller
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Hi Miller,
Thanks for being awesome and making something awesome....
Not sure these are bugs (or if it matters even with the first one)
Untitled-1.pd) it saves to drive fine. NOW if I hit CMD+S (osx) or in the file menu File->Save I get the "Save As" dialog.... so rather and save changes to Untitled-1.pd I get a dialog....
"N-Tuple" substitutions. I remember in the last version that if I did [makefilename %s%%s%%%s] pd would crash. This version (maybe something changed IDK) I am only allowed to do double substitutions (%s%%s) but not "N-Tuple". If I do for example [makefilename %s%%s%%%s] the %%%s is replaced with 0000000
maybe i am just using [makefilename] in this was wrong but it seems this this is the idea from the docs.....
attached is my test patch for clarification.
cheers m
On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 1:04 AM, Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu wrote:
Sorry for the noise -
I broke the variable delay reader in 0.47-0test3 - I've uploaded test4 to replace it... http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm etc. as usual.
cheers Miller
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On 03/05/16 19:30, me.grimm wrote:
for example [makefilename %s%%s%%%s] the %%%s is replaced with 0000000
I'm guessing %%%s is parsed as %% %s, and that you really need %%%%s to get %% %% s which becomes % % s (aka %% s) which finally becomes %s?
See also: https://www.xkcd.com/1638/
yes i see you are right. see attached.
maybe just a help file update for clarity....
m
On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Claude Heiland-Allen claude@mathr.co.uk wrote:
On 03/05/16 19:30, me.grimm wrote:
for example [makefilename %s%%s%%%s] the %%%s is replaced with 0000000
I'm guessing %%%s is parsed as %% %s, and that you really need %%%%s to get %% %% s which becomes % % s (aka %% s) which finally becomes %s?
See also: https://www.xkcd.com/1638/
Claude
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#1 is a longstanding bug - there are much worse bugs out there so I haven't go tto this one yet :)
cheers Miller On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 02:30:46PM -0400, me.grimm wrote:
Hi Miller,
Thanks for being awesome and making something awesome....
Not sure these are bugs (or if it matters even with the first one)
- When I make a new doc and save it to hard drive with default title (ex.
Untitled-1.pd) it saves to drive fine. NOW if I hit CMD+S (osx) or in the file menu File->Save I get the "Save As" dialog.... so rather and save changes to Untitled-1.pd I get a dialog....
- I noticed in [makefilename] that one is supposed to be able to do
"N-Tuple" substitutions. I remember in the last version that if I did [makefilename %s%%s%%%s] pd would crash. This version (maybe something changed IDK) I am only allowed to do double substitutions (%s%%s) but not "N-Tuple". If I do for example [makefilename %s%%s%%%s] the %%%s is replaced with 0000000
maybe i am just using [makefilename] in this was wrong but it seems this this is the idea from the docs.....
attached is my test patch for clarification.
cheers m
On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 1:04 AM, Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu wrote:
Sorry for the noise -
I broke the variable delay reader in 0.47-0test3 - I've uploaded test4 to replace it... http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm etc. as usual.
cheers Miller
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Here's another issue: If I create an abstraction out of the relative home directory and then call its help file, PD is crashing. It works correctly if I specify the path (ie [folder/abstraction]). I'm still on test2, so perhaps this has been sorted already.
Also, I'm not finding any help file for [clip]. Has this already been reported?
From: liamg_uw@hotmail.com To: pd-list@lists.iem.at Subject: RE: [PD] [PD-announce] Oops, test3 bad, test4 up now Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 15:56:36 +0100
Here's another issue: If I create an abstraction out of the relative home directory and then call its help file, PD is crashing. It works correctly if I specify the path (ie [folder/abstraction]). I'm still on test2, so perhaps this has been sorted already.
2016-05-07 4:30 GMT-03:00 Liam Goodacre liamg_uw@hotmail.com:
Also, I'm not finding any help file for [clip]. Has this already been reported?
it has, and it's already included in 0.47
I can't recreate this... (tried pd -path .../z, invoked an abstraction that was in the subdirectory ../z, asked for help and got it. You must be invoking this differently or maybe on a different OS?)
cheers Miller
On Thu, May 05, 2016 at 03:56:36PM +0100, Liam Goodacre wrote:
Here's another issue: If I create an abstraction out of the relative home directory and then call its help file, PD is crashing. It works correctly if I specify the path (ie [folder/abstraction]). I'm still on test2, so perhaps this has been sorted already.
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I wasn't using the -path flag, just trying to call a help file for an abstraction stored in the same directory as the parent patch is saved. So if I have one folder with "parent.pd" which loads an object [abstract], stored in the same folder, PD will crash if I right click on [abstract] and ask for the help file (whether or not the file "abstract-help.pd" exists.)
I'm on Ubuntu 16.04.
Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 10:02:02 -0700 From: msp@ucsd.edu To: liamg_uw@hotmail.com CC: pd-list@lists.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Oops, test3 bad, test4 up now
I can't recreate this... (tried pd -path .../z, invoked an abstraction that was in the subdirectory ../z, asked for help and got it. You must be invoking this differently or maybe on a different OS?)
cheers Miller
On Thu, May 05, 2016 at 03:56:36PM +0100, Liam Goodacre wrote:
Here's another issue: If I create an abstraction out of the relative home directory and then call its help file, PD is crashing. It works correctly if I specify the path (ie [folder/abstraction]). I'm still on test2, so perhaps this has been sorted already.
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I tried that too - (as in http://msp.ucsd.edu/tmp/z.zip) - opened "a.pd", got help on [z], no problem - there must be something I'm missing...
thanks Miller
On Sun, May 08, 2016 at 06:57:28AM +0100, Liam Goodacre wrote:
I wasn't using the -path flag, just trying to call a help file for an abstraction stored in the same directory as the parent patch is saved. So if I have one folder with "parent.pd" which loads an object [abstract], stored in the same folder, PD will crash if I right click on [abstract] and ask for the help file (whether or not the file "abstract-help.pd" exists.)
I'm on Ubuntu 16.04.
Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 10:02:02 -0700 From: msp@ucsd.edu To: liamg_uw@hotmail.com CC: pd-list@lists.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Oops, test3 bad, test4 up now
I can't recreate this... (tried pd -path .../z, invoked an abstraction that was in the subdirectory ../z, asked for help and got it. You must be invoking this differently or maybe on a different OS?)
cheers Miller
On Thu, May 05, 2016 at 03:56:36PM +0100, Liam Goodacre wrote:
Here's another issue: If I create an abstraction out of the relative home directory and then call its help file, PD is crashing. It works correctly if I specify the path (ie [folder/abstraction]). I'm still on test2, so perhaps this has been sorted already.
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On 05/08/2016 07:57 AM, Liam Goodacre wrote:
I wasn't using the -path flag, just trying to call a help file for an abstraction stored in the same directory as the parent patch is saved. So if I have one folder with "parent.pd" which loads an object [abstract], stored in the same folder, PD will crash if I right click on [abstract] and ask for the help file (whether or not the file "abstract-help.pd" exists.)
i still cannot reproduce this (on Debian sid, amd64) i attached a zip-file containing my test-case. if yours is different, please post a complete (minimal) patch that exhibits the problem.
gfmdsar IOhannes
Sorry for the noise -
I broke the variable delay reader in 0.47-0test3 - I've uploaded test4 to replace it... http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm etc. as usual.
cheers Miller
Hello,
I'm not sure if it matters all that much but "DSP" in the Pd window next to the checkbox is different from previous versions. It's of a smaller font and not bolded. I've actually been using that to tell the difference between your test I compiled from source and the older apt-get installed one =P. I like it better the old way (always helpful when things are easier to read) but it's no huge deal if you feel strongly otherwise.
Also, in terms of the file prompts for openpanel/savepanel/open/save, is it possible to have a "Create New Folder" button? Also, a detailed list view option (name/size/type/date) would be nice at some point but it sounds like a whole lot more work and it's not exactly something I've been absolutely dying without... but the new folder button would be nice =). Thanks for all your hard work!
Derek
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Yep, the "DSP" button now resizes accorging to the Pd window's font size (before it was a fixed size). That's so that people with very high resolution screens can see it.
cheers Miller On Fri, May 06, 2016 at 01:53:43AM -0700, Derek Kwan wrote:
Sorry for the noise -
I broke the variable delay reader in 0.47-0test3 - I've uploaded test4 to replace it... http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm etc. as usual.
cheers Miller
Hello,
I'm not sure if it matters all that much but "DSP" in the Pd window next to the checkbox is different from previous versions. It's of a smaller font and not bolded. I've actually been using that to tell the difference between your test I compiled from source and the older apt-get installed one =P. I like it better the old way (always helpful when things are easier to read) but it's no huge deal if you feel strongly otherwise.
Also, in terms of the file prompts for openpanel/savepanel/open/save, is it possible to have a "Create New Folder" button? Also, a detailed list view option (name/size/type/date) would be nice at some point but it sounds like a whole lot more work and it's not exactly something I've been absolutely dying without... but the new folder button would be nice =). Thanks for all your hard work!
Derek
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