honestly, one day i will figure out this 'internet' thing and upload all my stuff to whatever svn or cvs or whatever it is that the pd-extended all goes into.

^ the mail above is also an example of why i don't want to release my stuff so much.

all the patch is there, i am keeping no secrets. but still people expect me to do all the work to add features to something which i gave them for free and for which they can modify as they like.

i get the feeling that a lot of the pd people are connected with universities and get some income from there. but i am just a single person who does not have any such affiliation, and i just do pd to amuse myself. it does get quite annoying that everything i give to people, i get "feature requests" for. i am giving you the whole patch. you can modify it for yourself.

I am not sure if this is directed at me or not. I was asking if someone had compiled cooled~ that Yves wrote working on intel. I wrote a patch using it years ago and it was quite nice. Just recently when I was trying to show it to someone it gave an error about macho-o architecture. I checked out the very nice patch that was shared but noted that it did not have a random in it. I am sorry if I gave the impression that I want somebody to do it FOR me, but without that, nice as it is, I could not use it for my patch. I am not a super coder or compiler but certainly not afraid to write my own patches. Sorry if it came off as demanding or ungrateful

pp

-----Original Message----- From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of dmotd Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:44 AM To: hard off Cc: pd-list Subject: Re: [PD] cooled~ for OSX intel

hard off wrote:

^ the mail above is also an example of why i don't want to release my stuff so much.

all the patch is there, i am keeping no secrets. but still people expect me to do all the work to add features to something which i gave them for free and for which they can modify as they like.

i get the feeling that a lot of the pd people are connected with universities and get some income from there. but i am just a single person who does not have any such affiliation, and i just do pd to amuse myself. it does get quite annoying that everything i give to people, i get "feature requests" for. i am giving you the whole patch. you can modify it for yourself.

yup well said - except i can't say i have any such feeling for peoples individual financial containment.

to say someone is employed by here or there, means nothing to their output and the ammount of free time they are giving to such and such a project, so please don't make such generalisations in the future.

in terms of code then yeah, you are right, what you have distributed is a great resource for anyone to improve on, ecxcept.. if you don't release your work and give it a licesne then you are not really allowing your work to be further edited and redistrubuted.. (perhaps you are more worried that people will make better of your own work than you do yourself, but in that case who's the fool?)

i understand your frustration with endless requests for variation and improvement, but that is purely hypothetical and you can choose to ignore all requests for evermore

but i do agree with you that just like all the code in the repository a pd patch contains room for improvement and those changes only make the work stronger.

btw, your intial work was for me quite inspiring. thanks for the code..

cheers, dmotd

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Happens to the best of us.... that's not to say that your post was
not without its good points.

.hc

On Nov 5, 2009, at 5:13 AM, hard off wrote:

sorry for being nasty.

i had a really bad day yesterday, and i brought my troubles to the
list here. sorry about that.

there's some good advice for me here though, so thank you everyone.

will try to control my temper a bit more.

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On Wed, 4 Nov 2009, hard off wrote:

all the patch is there, i am keeping no secrets. but still people expect me to do all the work to add features to something which i gave them for free and for which they can modify as they like.

The better it is, the more people will wish more.

If you see a feature request, chances are that it also means: thank you.

_ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801

I was not requesting anything just commenting that for it to be kind of like cooled~ it would have a random function.

-----Original Message----- From: Mathieu Bouchard [mailto:matju@artengine.ca] Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:27 AM To: hard off Cc: Pagano, Patrick; pd-list Subject: Re: [PD] cooled~ for OSX intel

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009, hard off wrote:

all the patch is there, i am keeping no secrets. but still people expect me to do all the work to add features to something which i gave them for free and for which they can modify as they like.

The better it is, the more people will wish more.

If you see a feature request, chances are that it also means: thank you.

_ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801