If I were in your situation, I’d stick with a Thinkpad. They are expensive, but IMHO worth the price as they are rugged, reliable, and repairable. In general, Linux distress run well on their hardware. Another good option is a Panasonic Toughbook which are admittedly bulkier and expensive but you can get one with a built-in handle so you look like you work for the CIA/NSA and use it as a blunt-force protection device (I’m sure Katja knows).
Examples of both can be found used with decent prices (US vendor, but gives you an idea of institutional refurbished market):
- Newegg refurbished Lenovo Thinkpad https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Description=lenovo%20thinkpad&Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=50010418%204016
- Newegg refurbished Panasonic Toughbook https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=panasonic+toughbook&N=4016&isNodeId=1
As for audio interfaces, I agree with those that say stick with a USB-compliant device. I am still using aRoland UA-25 which is from mid-2000s and is USB 1.0 compliant. It works full stereo duplex with everything, included iOS, without drivers etc. In fact, I bought a UA-25ex used for $100 as a backup a coulee years ago.
Fancy stuff like MOTUs are really *nice* but far too reliant on proprietary drivers. I believe USB 2.0 should have enough bandwidth for 8 channel output. Unlike Firewire, we can be pretty sure USB will be supported for the foreseeable future, albeit through probably 10 different dongles/adapters. Plus, you’ll know if you want to work with other Ohs in the future, the device will probably keep working.
On Mar 23, 2017, at 2:24 AM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
From: João Pais <jmmmpais@gmail.com mailto:jmmmpais@gmail.com> Subject: [PD] Laptop + interface suggestion Date: March 23, 2017 at 1:51:36 AM MDT To: pd-list@mail.iem.at mailto:pd-list@mail.iem.at
Dear list,
I'm looking to buy new laptop and a matching audio interface for daily use + audio performance/programming (not video). I would be interested to know what are the current trends nowadays, and what experiences you have.
My current setup is:
- windows 10 (won't change)
- Lenovo X61s (I'm a bit of a fanboy for ibm/lenovo)
- RME multiface (still with pcmcia card)
I would be looking for a similar setup:
- a robust laptop where to run w10. The less weight the better, even if it sacrifices some performance.
- which audio interfaces are used nowadays, compared with the multiface? E.g. with at least 8 analog outlets (I don't need that many inlets), and also a digital outlet. Also the less weight and size the better - a half-case size such as the multiface is quite convenient.
- the computer will be used for day-to-day activities: office, notation (sibelius/finale), and Pd audio programming. No games or too taxing environments, so some features such as a high-power graphics card or the latest ssd disk should be necessary.
Best regards,
Joao
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
I bought a MOTU Ultralite AVB with my Asus n550jv with a double boot W10/ubuntu. The ultralite avb is awesome. USB2, Class-compliant, adat i/o, internal mixer, EQ, gates, compressors, aux, routing, presets everywhere. Audio over IP if you're keen to in motu's avb stuff and/or newer macs. Oh, and the whole interface is osc-controllable. I love it.
Le 23 mars 2017 17:45:20 GMT+01:00, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com a écrit :
If I were in your situation, I’d stick with a Thinkpad. They are expensive, but IMHO worth the price as they are rugged, reliable, and repairable. In general, Linux distress run well on their hardware. Another good option is a Panasonic Toughbook which are admittedly bulkier and expensive but you can get one with a built-in handle so you look like you work for the CIA/NSA and use it as a blunt-force protection device (I’m sure Katja knows).
Examples of both can be found used with decent prices (US vendor, but gives you an idea of institutional refurbished market):
- Newegg refurbished Lenovo Thinkpad
- Newegg refurbished Panasonic Toughbook
As for audio interfaces, I agree with those that say stick with a USB-compliant device. I am still using aRoland UA-25 which is from mid-2000s and is USB 1.0 compliant. It works full stereo duplex with everything, included iOS, without drivers etc. In fact, I bought a UA-25ex used for $100 as a backup a coulee years ago.
Fancy stuff like MOTUs are really *nice* but far too reliant on proprietary drivers. I believe USB 2.0 should have enough bandwidth for 8 channel output. Unlike Firewire, we can be pretty sure USB will be supported for the foreseeable future, albeit through probably 10 different dongles/adapters. Plus, you’ll know if you want to work with other Ohs in the future, the device will probably keep working.
On Mar 23, 2017, at 2:24 AM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
From: João Pais <jmmmpais@gmail.com mailto:jmmmpais@gmail.com> Subject: [PD] Laptop + interface suggestion Date: March 23, 2017 at 1:51:36 AM MDT To: pd-list@mail.iem.at mailto:pd-list@mail.iem.at
Dear list,
I'm looking to buy new laptop and a matching audio interface for
daily use + audio performance/programming (not video). I would be interested to know what are the current trends nowadays, and what experiences you have.
My current setup is:
- windows 10 (won't change)
- Lenovo X61s (I'm a bit of a fanboy for ibm/lenovo)
- RME multiface (still with pcmcia card)
I would be looking for a similar setup:
- a robust laptop where to run w10. The less weight the better, even
if it sacrifices some performance.
- which audio interfaces are used nowadays, compared with the
multiface? E.g. with at least 8 analog outlets (I don't need that many inlets), and also a digital outlet. Also the less weight and size the better - a half-case size such as the multiface is quite convenient.
- the computer will be used for day-to-day activities: office,
notation (sibelius/finale), and Pd audio programming. No games or too taxing environments, so some features such as a high-power graphics card or the latest ssd disk should be necessary.
Best regards,
Joao
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
Oh, did i say the interface was a web gui ? OS-agnostic ?
Le 23 mars 2017 21:18:33 GMT+01:00, Baptiste Chatel baptiste.chatel@gmail.com a écrit :
I bought a MOTU Ultralite AVB with my Asus n550jv with a double boot W10/ubuntu. The ultralite avb is awesome. USB2, Class-compliant, adat i/o, internal mixer, EQ, gates, compressors, aux, routing, presets everywhere. Audio over IP if you're keen to in motu's avb stuff and/or newer macs. Oh, and the whole interface is osc-controllable. I love it.
Le 23 mars 2017 17:45:20 GMT+01:00, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com a écrit :
If I were in your situation, I’d stick with a Thinkpad. They are expensive, but IMHO worth the price as they are rugged, reliable, and repairable. In general, Linux distress run well on their hardware. Another good option is a Panasonic Toughbook which are admittedly bulkier and expensive but you can get one with a built-in handle so
you
look like you work for the CIA/NSA and use it as a blunt-force protection device (I’m sure Katja knows).
Examples of both can be found used with decent prices (US vendor, but gives you an idea of institutional refurbished market):
- Newegg refurbished Lenovo Thinkpad
- Newegg refurbished Panasonic Toughbook
As for audio interfaces, I agree with those that say stick with a USB-compliant device. I am still using aRoland UA-25 which is from mid-2000s and is USB 1.0 compliant. It works full stereo duplex with everything, included iOS, without drivers etc. In fact, I bought a UA-25ex used for $100 as a backup a coulee years ago.
Fancy stuff like MOTUs are really *nice* but far too reliant on proprietary drivers. I believe USB 2.0 should have enough bandwidth
for
8 channel output. Unlike Firewire, we can be pretty sure USB will be supported for the foreseeable future, albeit through probably 10 different dongles/adapters. Plus, you’ll know if you want to work with other Ohs in the future, the device will probably keep working.
On Mar 23, 2017, at 2:24 AM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
From: João Pais <jmmmpais@gmail.com mailto:jmmmpais@gmail.com> Subject: [PD] Laptop + interface suggestion Date: March 23, 2017 at 1:51:36 AM MDT To: pd-list@mail.iem.at mailto:pd-list@mail.iem.at
Dear list,
I'm looking to buy new laptop and a matching audio interface for
daily use + audio performance/programming (not video). I would be interested to know what are the current trends nowadays, and what experiences you have.
My current setup is:
- windows 10 (won't change)
- Lenovo X61s (I'm a bit of a fanboy for ibm/lenovo)
- RME multiface (still with pcmcia card)
I would be looking for a similar setup:
- a robust laptop where to run w10. The less weight the better, even
if it sacrifices some performance.
- which audio interfaces are used nowadays, compared with the
multiface? E.g. with at least 8 analog outlets (I don't need that many inlets), and also a digital outlet. Also the less weight and size the better - a half-case size such as the multiface is quite convenient.
- the computer will be used for day-to-day activities: office,
notation (sibelius/finale), and Pd audio programming. No games or too taxing environments, so some features such as a high-power graphics card or the latest ssd disk should be necessary.
Best regards,
Joao
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
So you're saying the MOTU Ultralite AVB is fully supported in Linux?
J
On 03/23/2017 03:57 PM, Baptiste Chatel wrote:
Oh, did i say the interface was a web gui ? OS-agnostic ?
Le 23 mars 2017 21:18:33 GMT+01:00, Baptiste Chatel baptiste.chatel@gmail.com a écrit :
I bought a MOTU Ultralite AVB with my Asus n550jv with a double boot W10/ubuntu. The ultralite avb is awesome. USB2, Class-compliant, adat i/o, internal mixer, EQ, gates, compressors, aux, routing, presets everywhere. Audio over IP if you're keen to in motu's avb stuff and/or newer macs. Oh, and the whole interface is osc-controllable. I love it. Le 23 mars 2017 17:45:20 GMT+01:00, Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.com> a écrit : If I were in your situation, I’d stick with a Thinkpad. They are expensive, but IMHO worth the price as they are rugged, reliable, and repairable. In general, Linux distress run well on their hardware. Another good option is a Panasonic Toughbook which are admittedly bulkier and expensive but you can get one with a built-in handle so you look like you work for the CIA/NSA and use it as a blunt-force protection device (I’m sure Katja knows). Examples of both can be found used with decent prices (US vendor, but gives you an idea of institutional refurbished market): * Newegg refurbished Lenovo Thinkpad <https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Description=lenovo%20thinkpad&Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=50010418%204016> * Newegg refurbished Panasonic Toughbook <https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=panasonic+toughbook&N=4016&isNodeId=1> As for audio interfaces, I agree with those that say stick with a USB-compliant device. I am still using aRoland UA-25 which is from mid-2000s and is USB 1.0 compliant. It works full stereo duplex with everything, included iOS, without drivers etc. In fact, I bought a UA-25ex used for $100 as a backup a coulee years ago. Fancy stuff like MOTUs are really *nice* but far too reliant on proprietary drivers. I believe USB 2.0 should have enough bandwidth for 8 channel output. Unlike Firewire, we can be pretty sure USB will be supported for the foreseeable future, albeit through probably 10 different dongles/adapters. Plus, you’ll know if you want to work with other Ohs in the future, the device will probably keep working.On Mar 23, 2017, at 2:24 AM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at> wrote: *From:*João Pais <jmmmpais@gmail.com <mailto:jmmmpais@gmail.com>> *Subject:**[PD] Laptop + interface suggestion* *Date:*March 23, 2017 at 1:51:36 AM MDT *To:*pd-list@mail.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@mail.iem.at> Dear list, I'm looking to buy new laptop and a matching audio interface for daily use + audio performance/programming (not video). I would be interested to know what are the current trends nowadays, and what experiences you have. My current setup is: - windows 10 (won't change) - Lenovo X61s (I'm a bit of a fanboy for ibm/lenovo) - RME multiface (still with pcmcia card) I would be looking for a similar setup: - a robust laptop where to run w10. The less weight the better, even if it sacrifices some performance. - which audio interfaces are used nowadays, compared with the multiface? E.g. with at least 8 analog outlets (I don't need that many inlets), and also a digital outlet. Also the less weight and size the better - a half-case size such as the multiface is quite convenient. - the computer will be used for day-to-day activities: office, notation (sibelius/finale), and Pd audio programming. No games or too taxing environments, so some features such as a high-power graphics card or the latest ssd disk should be necessary. Best regards, Joao-------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com>
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99% supported. The 1% left is that with linux, afaik, you can't access the web gui without using an ethernet cable, which is not the case with windows (the usb cable is enough). So if you can live with plugging 2 cables instead of one, it's ok. I didin't investigated further to see if there is a workaround.
2017-03-25 1:34 GMT+01:00 Jaime Oliver La Rosa jaime.oliver2@gmail.com:
So you're saying the MOTU Ultralite AVB is fully supported in Linux?
J
On 03/23/2017 03:57 PM, Baptiste Chatel wrote:
Oh, did i say the interface was a web gui ? OS-agnostic ?
Le 23 mars 2017 21:18:33 GMT+01:00, Baptiste Chatel baptiste.chatel@gmail.com baptiste.chatel@gmail.com a écrit :
I bought a MOTU Ultralite AVB with my Asus n550jv with a double boot W10/ubuntu. The ultralite avb is awesome. USB2, Class-compliant, adat i/o, internal mixer, EQ, gates, compressors, aux, routing, presets everywhere. Audio over IP if you're keen to in motu's avb stuff and/or newer macs. Oh, and the whole interface is osc-controllable. I love it.
Le 23 mars 2017 17:45:20 GMT+01:00, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com danomatika@gmail.com a écrit :
If I were in your situation, I’d stick with a Thinkpad. They are expensive, but IMHO worth the price as they are rugged, reliable, and repairable. In general, Linux distress run well on their hardware. Another good option is a Panasonic Toughbook which are admittedly bulkier and expensive but you can get one with a built-in handle so you look like you work for the CIA/NSA and use it as a blunt-force protection device (I’m sure Katja knows).
Examples of both can be found used with decent prices (US vendor, but gives you an idea of institutional refurbished market):
- Newegg refurbished Lenovo Thinkpad
- Newegg refurbished Panasonic Toughbook
As for audio interfaces, I agree with those that say stick with a USB-compliant device. I am still using aRoland UA-25 which is from mid-2000s and is USB 1.0 compliant. It works full stereo duplex with everything, included iOS, without drivers etc. In fact, I bought a UA-25ex used for $100 as a backup a coulee years ago.
Fancy stuff like MOTUs are really *nice* but far too reliant on proprietary drivers. I believe USB 2.0 should have enough bandwidth for 8 channel output. Unlike Firewire, we can be pretty sure USB will be supported for the foreseeable future, albeit through probably 10 different dongles/adapters. Plus, you’ll know if you want to work with other Ohs in the future, the device will probably keep working.
On Mar 23, 2017, at 2:24 AM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
*From: *João Pais jmmmpais@gmail.com *Subject: **[PD] Laptop + interface suggestion* *Date: *March 23, 2017 at 1:51:36 AM MDT *To: *pd-list@mail.iem.at
Dear list,
I'm looking to buy new laptop and a matching audio interface for daily use + audio performance/programming (not video). I would be interested to know what are the current trends nowadays, and what experiences you have.
My current setup is:
- windows 10 (won't change)
- Lenovo X61s (I'm a bit of a fanboy for ibm/lenovo)
- RME multiface (still with pcmcia card)
I would be looking for a similar setup:
- a robust laptop where to run w10. The less weight the better, even if
it sacrifices some performance.
- which audio interfaces are used nowadays, compared with the multiface?
E.g. with at least 8 analog outlets (I don't need that many inlets), and also a digital outlet. Also the less weight and size the better - a half-case size such as the multiface is quite convenient.
- the computer will be used for day-to-day activities: office, notation
(sibelius/finale), and Pd audio programming. No games or too taxing environments, so some features such as a high-power graphics card or the latest ssd disk should be necessary.
Best regards,
Joao
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
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Hi Joao,
Bit late in on this one but hope you don't mind a delayed response.
I recently gave up my x61s, been fixing-up the main one with 2 spares for last couple of years but thought 'it's time'.
Bought a 2nd-hand x230 i5 with ips screen, stuffed it with 16gb ram and an ssd - it's great (the dreaded mid-gig reboot takes about 5s).
Also bought a Startek expresscard to cardbus adaptor so still making use of the RME mk1 Multiface. The adaptor and rme pcmcia card (always the soundcards weak link) sticks out of the side a lot, but my mobile phone (in its case) fits neatly underneath and supports them fine.
Regards,
Julian
On 25 March 2017 at 18:37, baptiste chatel baptiste.chatel@gmail.com wrote:
99% supported. The 1% left is that with linux, afaik, you can't access the web gui without using an ethernet cable, which is not the case with windows (the usb cable is enough). So if you can live with plugging 2 cables instead of one, it's ok. I didin't investigated further to see if there is a workaround.
2017-03-25 1:34 GMT+01:00 Jaime Oliver La Rosa jaime.oliver2@gmail.com:
So you're saying the MOTU Ultralite AVB is fully supported in Linux?
J
On 03/23/2017 03:57 PM, Baptiste Chatel wrote:
Oh, did i say the interface was a web gui ? OS-agnostic ?
Le 23 mars 2017 21:18:33 GMT+01:00, Baptiste Chatel baptiste.chatel@gmail.com baptiste.chatel@gmail.com a écrit :
I bought a MOTU Ultralite AVB with my Asus n550jv with a double boot W10/ubuntu. The ultralite avb is awesome. USB2, Class-compliant, adat i/o, internal mixer, EQ, gates, compressors, aux, routing, presets everywhere. Audio over IP if you're keen to in motu's avb stuff and/or newer macs. Oh, and the whole interface is osc-controllable. I love it.
Le 23 mars 2017 17:45:20 GMT+01:00, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com danomatika@gmail.com a écrit :
If I were in your situation, I’d stick with a Thinkpad. They are expensive, but IMHO worth the price as they are rugged, reliable, and repairable. In general, Linux distress run well on their hardware. Another good option is a Panasonic Toughbook which are admittedly bulkier and expensive but you can get one with a built-in handle so you look like you work for the CIA/NSA and use it as a blunt-force protection device (I’m sure Katja knows).
Examples of both can be found used with decent prices (US vendor, but gives you an idea of institutional refurbished market):
- Newegg refurbished Lenovo Thinkpad
- Newegg refurbished Panasonic Toughbook
As for audio interfaces, I agree with those that say stick with a USB-compliant device. I am still using aRoland UA-25 which is from mid-2000s and is USB 1.0 compliant. It works full stereo duplex with everything, included iOS, without drivers etc. In fact, I bought a UA-25ex used for $100 as a backup a coulee years ago.
Fancy stuff like MOTUs are really *nice* but far too reliant on proprietary drivers. I believe USB 2.0 should have enough bandwidth for 8 channel output. Unlike Firewire, we can be pretty sure USB will be supported for the foreseeable future, albeit through probably 10 different dongles/adapters. Plus, you’ll know if you want to work with other Ohs in the future, the device will probably keep working.
On Mar 23, 2017, at 2:24 AM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
*From: *João Pais jmmmpais@gmail.com *Subject: **[PD] Laptop + interface suggestion* *Date: *March 23, 2017 at 1:51:36 AM MDT *To: *pd-list@mail.iem.at
Dear list,
I'm looking to buy new laptop and a matching audio interface for daily use + audio performance/programming (not video). I would be interested to know what are the current trends nowadays, and what experiences you have.
My current setup is:
- windows 10 (won't change)
- Lenovo X61s (I'm a bit of a fanboy for ibm/lenovo)
- RME multiface (still with pcmcia card)
I would be looking for a similar setup:
- a robust laptop where to run w10. The less weight the better, even if
it sacrifices some performance.
- which audio interfaces are used nowadays, compared with the
multiface? E.g. with at least 8 analog outlets (I don't need that many inlets), and also a digital outlet. Also the less weight and size the better - a half-case size such as the multiface is quite convenient.
- the computer will be used for day-to-day activities: office, notation
(sibelius/finale), and Pd audio programming. No games or too taxing environments, so some features such as a high-power graphics card or the latest ssd disk should be necessary.
Best regards,
Joao
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
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