the webpage is down, we are trying to get it up ASAP, a damn back up was schedulled for today...

Anyway,

you guys can still get the forms at

http://porres.googlepages.com/Art.zip http://porres.googlepages.com/Workshop.zip http://porres.googlepages.com/Paper.zip

then go to

http://pdcon09.devolts.org/openconf.php

click at Make a Submission, fill the form, get an ID

then go to Upload File to send us the PDFs

Sorry for the trouble.

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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:00:26 +0900 From: hard off hard.off@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline! To: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org Cc: danomatika danomatika@gmail.com, "pd-list@iem.at" pd-list@iem.at, Kyle Klipowicz kyleklip@gmail.com Message-ID: 161320dd0903151000n626f6134h19ea91c5757a76a0@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

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But I think that we don't really know well enough how to do the whole

thing right<<

i have good experience in doing a library wrong. :) i can at least point out the flaws in that so they don't get repeated.

none of the libraries are very good general all-purpose toolkits though, in my opinion. i guess that's mainly because none of them have really been designed as general toolkits. there is heaps of good stuff in rjdj, but it's all for the phone, which has no pd GUI component. netpd on the other hand, everything has a gui, and it's all designed to work well as a part of the netpd system. but it's a little bit tricky to then use the netpd patches outside of netpd. not really spent too much time with pdmtl, but that just seems like more of a collection of patches than an actual library. s-abstractions and the diy library i did both fall down a bit for me because they tie the functionality of the patches in too much with the gui and state saving.

i think what hans is talking about and what we are discussing might be completely different things though. i think hans is talking about a truly unified library to join together all the different pieces in pd-extended and put them all together in a logical and user-friendly manner. which would be a pretty massive project, i admit.

i think though, what we're talking about here is more just like a collection of tools to build synths, sequencers, effects, samplers, recorders, soundfile players, etc etc etc. most of the libraries already mentioned are doing that. but the problem is that there are no unified conventions for patching, naming, licencing, etc. and it would be nice to have all the best and most useful bits of each library in one place, all working together, and all very simply and easily ported into other pd projects.

i think it's well within our reach to do that at the moment.