While we're on the off-topic of licenses...
On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 02:21:47PM +0200, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Jun 3, 2006, at 3:27 AM, Yves Degoyon wrote:
ola,
Speaking of, how about releasing that PDP port for Windows?
please no.. thank you.
sevy
That's where we have differing opinions on free software. I think that free software should be totally free, and I think that the more
"Totally free" is pretty hard to quantify. Some would argue that the BSD license is more "totally free" than the GPL. The GPL imposes very definite restrictions, which are of great benefit the end users of the software. I guess in this respect, public domain software is the most free of all, imposing no restrictions what so ever on users or programmers.
Should I be 'totally free' to write software which slaughters and maims innocent people? What is this freedom thing anyway? I hear George Bush saying it quite a lot on the news.
Best,
Chris.
chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx
On Jun 15, 2006, at 11:26 PM, Chris McCormick wrote:
While we're on the off-topic of licenses...
On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 02:21:47PM +0200, Hans-Christoph Steiner
wrote:On Jun 3, 2006, at 3:27 AM, Yves Degoyon wrote:
ola,
Speaking of, how about releasing that PDP port for Windows?
please no.. thank you.
sevy
That's where we have differing opinions on free software. I think that free software should be totally free, and I think that the more
"Totally free" is pretty hard to quantify. Some would argue that
the BSD license is more "totally free" than the GPL. The GPL imposes very
definite restrictions, which are of great benefit the end users of the
software. I guess in this respect, public domain software is the most free of
all, imposing no restrictions what so ever on users or programmers.
The GNU GPL talks about software freedom and guarantees software
freedom while restricting other things. The GNU GPL puts absolutely
no restrictions on what software you can write and what you can do
with that software in the realm of computers. It does restrict
people from taking away those freedoms from other people.
Should I be 'totally free' to write software which slaughters and
maims innocent people? What is this freedom thing anyway? I hear George Bush saying it quite a lot on the news.
We don't need any specific software laws or license clauses here, its
already illegal to slaughter and maim regardless of how you do it
(unless you are a government).
.hc
¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido!
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Chris McCormick wrote:
"Totally free" is pretty hard to quantify. Some would argue that the BSD license is more "totally free" than the GPL. The GPL imposes very definite restrictions, which are of great benefit the end users of the software.
In another words, what's freer, software that is so free that it can be proprietarized, or software so free that it can't be proprietarized?
Should I be 'totally free' to write software which slaughters and maims innocent people?
What about the manufacturing of kitchen knives which end up being used in some fatal family disputes?
What is this freedom thing anyway? I hear George Bush saying it quite a lot on the news.
Freedom is the freedom of saying Georgie Boy is Right. If that is granted, all else follows. ;-)
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Le Lundi 19 Juin 2006 21:54, Yves Degoyon a écrit :
ola,
Freedom is the freedom of saying Georgie Boy is Right.
i'm scared if a boy rules the world, but that's how it is, you bubble gum chewer!
Maybe he meant Boy George... Or slavery instead of freedom. Anyway, nobody rules the world all alone; we all do together, along with pretzel chokers, bubble gum chewers and coke sniffers. -- Marc
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006, Marc Lavallée wrote:
Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Freedom is the freedom of saying Georgie Boy is Right.
Maybe he meant Boy George...
"Georgie Boy" is the nickname of one of the bandits in "A Clockwork Orange", the one who's lusting for money. It's also the same initials as "George Bush". The rest is an allusion to the last sentence of Chapter VII of "1984".
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Le 21 Juin 2006 01:27, Mathieu Bouchard a écrit :
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006, Marc Lavallée wrote:
Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Freedom is the freedom of saying Georgie Boy is Right.
Maybe he meant Boy George...
"Georgie Boy" is the nickname of one of the bandits in "A Clockwork Orange", the one who's lusting for money. It's also the same initials as "George Bush".
All George were once boys. The original Greek name, Geōrgios, is a coumpound of "earth" and "work". The "Bush" derivative is a creation of Karl Rove (a hard worker), and is made of cheap plastic digged from a Texan oil well. -- Marc
On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 10:02:48AM -0400, Marc Lavallée wrote:
Le 21 Juin 2006 01:27, Mathieu Bouchard a écrit :
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006, Marc Lavallée wrote:
Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Freedom is the freedom of saying Georgie Boy is Right.
Maybe he meant Boy George...
"Georgie Boy" is the nickname of one of the bandits in "A Clockwork Orange", the one who's lusting for money. It's also the same initials as "George Bush".
All George were once boys.
I think the drummer in my first band would beg to differ. Her name was [and still is] George, and she was never a boy. [Sorry for wasting people's precious reading time!]
Best,
Chris.
chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx
On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 07:49:20PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Chris McCormick wrote:
Should I be 'totally free' to write software which slaughters and maims innocent people?
What about the manufacturing of kitchen knives which end up being used in some fatal family disputes?
I don't think kitchen knives are used in the warhead manufacturing process.
This is pretty funny on the Pd list though, where the worst we can do is give people sore eyes and ears. Maybe Miller needs to put a stop to all the horrific discomfort the users of this software are causing and add to the BSD license "Not for repressive noise music or tedious experimental video use." After all, what we really need is more Fat Boy Slim. [1] ;)
Freedom is the freedom of saying Georgie Boy is Right. If that is granted, all else follows. ;-)
"Free your mind, your ass will follow." -- The Other George
Chris.
[1] http://mitpress.mit.edu/journals/pdf/cmj_26_4_13_0.pdf
chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx
Chris McCormick wrote:
On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 07:49:20PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Chris McCormick wrote:
Should I be 'totally free' to write software which slaughters and maims innocent people?
What about the manufacturing of kitchen knives which end up being used in some fatal family disputes?
I don't think kitchen knives are used in the warhead manufacturing process.
This is pretty funny on the Pd list though, where the worst we can do is give people sore eyes and ears. Maybe Miller needs to put a stop to all
hmm, ever thought of controlling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_weapon with Pd?
Pd is not reaktor(tm), you can do more than just produce sounds: you can hook up a coffee machine to your parallel port (or multIO or...) and make coffee whenever your webcam-based motiontracker senses a person within the room; all the software could be done in Pd. you could also connect something more deadly than a coffee machine.
_everything_ can be used in warfare.
mfg.asdr IOhannes
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