Hi list,
I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia.
=======
Has there already been discussions on policies regarding when/which pages to lock? I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to go if only the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki spammers?
======= 2. Regarding importing data from other languages.. For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following procedure.
I. Open the pdpedia page in English. II. Enter "edit" mode and [copy] the contents in the form III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the material above. IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation.
-- The above does not work for pages such as 'Category:vanilla'. I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in the page. Can some one help me on importing the list of objects?
I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and Portuguese pages have been successful in this.
Thanks.
David Shimamoto
On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote:
Hi list,
I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia.
=======
Has there already been discussions on policies regarding when/which pages to lock? I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to go if
only the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki spammers?
Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting over a page.
I can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd need to
lock pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet.
======= 2. Regarding importing data from other languages.. For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following procedure.
I. Open the pdpedia page in English. II. Enter "edit" mode and [copy] the contents in the form III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the material above. IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation.
-- The above does not work for pages such as 'Category:vanilla'. I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in the page. Can some one help me on importing the list of objects?
I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and Portuguese pages have been successful in this.
Once that translated template that you posted is ready to go, then
I'll run the import. That will generate template pages for about
2000 objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in content, which
can be gathered from pages in other languages, help patches, etc.
.hc
Thanks.
David Shimamoto
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list
Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a
more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in
practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith
Hans,
Thanks. I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' pages. I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import.
Thanks.
-- David Shimamoto
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote
On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote:
Hi list,
I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia.
=======
Has there already been discussions on policies regarding when/which pages to lock? I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to go if only the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki spammers?
Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting over a page. I can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd need to lock pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet.
======= 2. Regarding importing data from other languages.. For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following procedure.
I. Open the pdpedia page in English. II. Enter "edit" mode and [copy] the contents in the form III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the material above. IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation.
-- The above does not work for pages such as 'Category:vanilla'. I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in the page. Can some one help me on importing the list of objects?
I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and Portuguese pages have been successful in this.
Once that translated template that you posted is ready to go, then I'll run the import. That will generate template pages for about 2000 objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in content, which can be gathered from pages in other languages, help patches, etc.
.hc
Thanks.
David Shimamoto
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith
I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it would be
good to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template? It's up
to you.
.hc
On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Thanks. I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' pages. I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import.
Thanks.
-- David Shimamoto
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote
On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote:
Hi list,
I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia.
=======
Has there already been discussions on policies regarding when/which pages to lock? I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to go
if only the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki spammers?Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting over a
page. I can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd need to
lock pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet.======= 2. Regarding importing data from other languages.. For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following
procedure.I. Open the pdpedia page in English. II. Enter "edit" mode and [copy] the contents in the form III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the
material above. IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation.-- The above does not work for pages such as 'Category:vanilla'. I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in the page. Can some one help me on importing the list of objects?
I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and Portuguese pages have been successful in this.
Once that translated template that you posted is ready to go, then
I'll run the import. That will generate template pages for about 2000 objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in content, which
can be gathered from pages in other languages, help patches, etc..hc
Thanks.
David Shimamoto
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a
more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in
practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list
The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther
King, Jr.
Hans,
Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly prepared by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly has terms unified with the main page. So for that part I feel comfortable to proceed.
I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import. Thanks. :)
-- David Shimamoto
I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it would be good to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template? It's up to you.
.hc
On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Thanks. I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' pages. I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import.
Thanks.
-- David Shimamoto
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote
On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote:
Hi list,
I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia.
=======
Has there already been discussions on policies regarding when/which pages to lock? I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to go if only the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki spammers?
Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting over a page. I can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd need to lock pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet.
======= 2. Regarding importing data from other languages.. For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following procedure.
I. Open the pdpedia page in English. II. Enter "edit" mode and [copy] the contents in the form III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the material above. IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation.
-- The above does not work for pages such as 'Category:vanilla'. I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in the page. Can some one help me on importing the list of objects?
I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and Portuguese pages have been successful in this.
Once that translated template that you posted is ready to go, then I'll run the import. That will generate template pages for about 2000 objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in content, which can be gathered from pages in other languages, help patches, etc.
.hc
Thanks.
David Shimamoto
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two. You can see the pages
as they are imported:
http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimum
Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the infobox
stuff will show up.
doh itashimashite (that's one of my favorite words in japanese :D )
.hc
On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly prepared by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly has terms unified with the main page. So for that part I feel comfortable to proceed.
I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import. Thanks. :)
-- David Shimamoto
I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it would be
good to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template? It's up
to you..hc
On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Thanks. I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' pages. I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import.
Thanks.
-- David Shimamoto
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote
On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote:
Hi list,
I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia.
=======
Has there already been discussions on policies regarding when/ which pages to lock? I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to go
if only the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki
spammers?Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting over a
page. I can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd need
to lock pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet.======= 2. Regarding importing data from other languages.. For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following
procedure.I. Open the pdpedia page in English. II. Enter "edit" mode and [copy] the contents in the form III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the
material above. IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation.-- The above does not work for pages such as 'Category:vanilla'. I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in the page. Can some one help me on importing the list of objects?
I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and Portuguese
pages have been successful in this.Once that translated template that you posted is ready to go,
then I'll run the import. That will generate template pages for about 2000 objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in content, which
can be gathered from pages in other languages, help patches, etc..hc
Thanks.
David Shimamoto
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with
a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in
practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther
King, Jr.
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list
News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is
publicity. - Bill Moyers
Hans,
Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two. You can see the pages as they are imported: http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimum
Thanks for the effort!
Yes, I see the log increasing as a reload the "recent changes" page. Is it just me or is it general to get excited watching massive data being crunched right in front of your very eyes?
Some pages I opened were just blank. I wonder if this is because the original English page is also blank... any way I will wait for the processing to end.
Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the infobox stuff will show up.
I feel I've already done this following the "admin HOW-TO". If it gets over written, I guess I can just try again.
doh itashimashite (that's one of my favorite words in japanese :D )
Yes, domo-arigato-gozaimas!!
.hc
On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly prepared by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly has terms unified with the main page. So for that part I feel comfortable to proceed.
I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import. Thanks. :)
-- David Shimamoto
I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it would be good to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template? It's up to you.
.hc
On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Thanks. I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' pages. I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import.
Thanks.
-- David Shimamoto
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote
On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote:
Hi list,
I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia.
=======
Has there already been discussions on policies regarding when/which pages to lock? I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to go if only the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki spammers?
Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting over a page. I can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd need to lock pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet.
======= 2. Regarding importing data from other languages.. For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following procedure.
I. Open the pdpedia page in English. II. Enter "edit" mode and [copy] the contents in the form III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the material above. IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation.
-- The above does not work for pages such as 'Category:vanilla'. I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in the page. Can some one help me on importing the list of objects?
I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and Portuguese pages have been successful in this.
Once that translated template that you posted is ready to go, then I'll run the import. That will generate template pages for about 2000 objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in content, which can be gathered from pages in other languages, help patches, etc.
.hc
Thanks.
David Shimamoto
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers
On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:03 AM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two. You can see the
pages as they are imported: http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimumThanks for the effort!
Yes, I see the log increasing as a reload the "recent changes" page. Is it just me or is it general to get excited watching massive data being crunched right in front of your very eyes?
Some pages I opened were just blank. I wonder if this is because the original English page is also blank... any way I will wait for the processing to end.
There shouldn't be blank pages, but they will just be templates with
the infobox and the categories setup.
Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the infobox stuff will show up.
I feel I've already done this following the "admin HOW-TO". If it gets over written, I guess I can just try again.
I think it's still missing the CSS, that should be listed on the
HOWTO. That's why the Infobox isn't showing up.
.hc
doh itashimashite (that's one of my favorite words in japanese :D )
Yes, domo-arigato-gozaimas!!
.hc
On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly prepared by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly has terms unified with the main page. So for that part I feel comfortable to proceed.
I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import. Thanks. :)
-- David Shimamoto
I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it would
be good to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template? It's up
to you..hc
On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Thanks. I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' pages. I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import.
Thanks.
-- David Shimamoto
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote
On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote:
> > Hi list, > > I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia. > > > ======= > 1. > Has there already been discussions on policies regarding when/ > which > pages to lock? > I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to
> go if > only > the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki
> spammers?Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting over a page. I can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd
need to lock pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet.> ======= > 2. > Regarding importing data from other languages.. > For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following > procedure. > > I. Open the pdpedia page in English. > II. Enter "edit" mode and [copy] the contents in the form > III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the > material > above. > IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation. > > -- > The above does not work for pages such as 'Category:vanilla'. > I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in the
> page. > Can some one help me on importing the list of objects? > > I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and
> Portuguese pages > have been successful in this.Once that translated template that you posted is ready to go,
then I'll run the import. That will generate template pages for about 2000 objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in content, which can be gathered from pages in other languages, help patches, etc..hc
> > > Thanks. > -- > David Shimamoto > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up
with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list
All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies,
one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better
language; and every chapter must be so translated.... -John Donne
Hans,
Thanks. I am terribly sorry to bother you with this.
To my eyes, the following two pages look almost identical.
http://wiki.puredata.info/en/MediaWiki:Common.css http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/MediaWiki:Common.css
http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Template:Infobox_Objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/Template:Infobox_Objectclass
After you've kindly executed the import, I was imagining that for example,
http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line would be filled with English contents identical to
http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line
Unless I've done something wrong, I am imagining I've translated terms I shouldn't have in the original template. Say, for example, is 'Category:' parsed exceptionally for specific actions? Then it shouldn't have been replaced with multi byte characters of my language.
Any ideas?
-- David Shimamoto
On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:03 AM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two. You can see the pages as they are imported: http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimum
Thanks for the effort!
Yes, I see the log increasing as a reload the "recent changes" page. Is it just me or is it general to get excited watching massive data being crunched right in front of your very eyes?
Some pages I opened were just blank. I wonder if this is because the original English page is also blank... any way I will wait for the processing to end.
There shouldn't be blank pages, but they will just be templates with the infobox and the categories setup.
Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the infobox stuff will show up.
I feel I've already done this following the "admin HOW-TO". If it gets over written, I guess I can just try again.
I think it's still missing the CSS, that should be listed on the HOWTO.
That's why the Infobox isn't showing up..hc
doh itashimashite (that's one of my favorite words in japanese :D )
Yes, domo-arigato-gozaimas!!
.hc
On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly prepared by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly has terms unified with the main page. So for that part I feel comfortable to proceed.
I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import. Thanks. :)
-- David Shimamoto
I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it would be good to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template? It's up to you.
.hc
On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Thanks. I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' pages. I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import.
Thanks.
-- David Shimamoto
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote > > On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote: > >> >> Hi list, >> >> I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia. >> >> >> ======= >> 1. >> Has there already been discussions on policies regarding when/which >> pages to lock? >> I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to go if >> only >> the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki >> spammers? > > Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting over a > page. I > can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd need to > lock > pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet. > >> ======= >> 2. >> Regarding importing data from other languages.. >> For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following >> procedure. >> >> I. Open the pdpedia page in English. >> II. Enter "edit" mode and [copy] the contents in the form >> III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the >> material >> above. >> IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation. >> >> -- >> The above does not work for pages such as 'Category:vanilla'. >> I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in the page. >> Can some one help me on importing the list of objects? >> >> I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and Portuguese >> pages >> have been successful in this. > > Once that translated template that you posted is ready to go, then > I'll > run the import. That will generate template pages for about 2000 > objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in content, which > can be > gathered from pages in other languages, help patches, etc. > > .hc > > >> >> >> Thanks. >> -- >> David Shimamoto >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a > more > direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in > practice, it > can change entire economies. - Amy Smith > > >
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers
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All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated.... -John Donne
Hey,
Looks like you got the Infobox working now. As for the English
content, none of the previous people wanted to have the English
content in their template import, so I didn't include it. It's all
available by clicking the "English" link on the lower left of each page.
.hc
On Nov 28, 2007, at 3:15 AM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Thanks. I am terribly sorry to bother you with this.
To my eyes, the following two pages look almost identical.
http://wiki.puredata.info/en/MediaWiki:Common.css http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/MediaWiki:Common.css
http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Template:Infobox_Objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/Template:Infobox_Objectclass
After you've kindly executed the import, I was imagining that for example,
http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line would be filled with English contents identical to
http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line
Unless I've done something wrong, I am imagining I've translated terms I shouldn't have in the original template. Say, for example, is 'Category:' parsed exceptionally for specific actions? Then it shouldn't have been replaced with multi byte characters of my language.
Any ideas?
-- David Shimamoto
On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:03 AM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two. You can see the
pages as they are imported: http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimumThanks for the effort!
Yes, I see the log increasing as a reload the "recent changes" page. Is it just me or is it general to get excited watching massive data being crunched right in front of your very eyes?
Some pages I opened were just blank. I wonder if this is because the original English page is also blank... any way I will wait for the processing to end.
There shouldn't be blank pages, but they will just be templates
with the infobox and the categories setup.Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the infobox stuff will show up.
I feel I've already done this following the "admin HOW-TO". If it gets over written, I guess I can just try again.
I think it's still missing the CSS, that should be listed on the
HOWTO. That's why the Infobox isn't showing up..hc
doh itashimashite (that's one of my favorite words in
japanese :D )Yes, domo-arigato-gozaimas!!
.hc
On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly prepared by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly has terms unified with the main page. So for that part I feel comfortable to proceed.
I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import. Thanks. :)
-- David Shimamoto
I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it
would be good to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template? It's
up to you..hc
On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote:
> > Hans, > > > Thanks. > I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' pages. > I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import. > > Thanks. > > -- > David Shimamoto > > > > Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote >> >> On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi list, >>> >>> I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia. >>> >>> >>> ======= >>> 1. >>> Has there already been discussions on policies regarding
>>> when/which >>> pages to lock? >>> I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way
>>> to go if >>> only >>> the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki >>> spammers? >> >> Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting over a >> page. I >> can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd
>> need to >> lock >> pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet. >> >>> ======= >>> 2. >>> Regarding importing data from other languages.. >>> For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following >>> procedure. >>> >>> I. Open the pdpedia page in English. >>> II. Enter "edit" mode and [copy] the contents in the form >>> III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the >>> material >>> above. >>> IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation. >>> >>> -- >>> The above does not work for pages such as 'Category:vanilla'. >>> I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in
>>> the page. >>> Can some one help me on importing the list of objects? >>> >>> I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and Portuguese >>> pages >>> have been successful in this. >> >> Once that translated template that you posted is ready to
>> go, then >> I'll >> run the import. That will generate template pages for about
>> 2000 >> objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in content,
>> which >> can be >> gathered from pages in other languages, help patches, etc. >> >> .hc >> >> >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> -- >>> David Shimamoto >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up
>> with a >> more >> direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in >> practice, it >> can change entire economies. - Amy Smith >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man
dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated.... -John Donne
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list
I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three
meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds,
and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin
Luther King, Jr.
Hans,
Ok, I figure only the page names are copied.
One last question if before I start adding text..
I don't quite understand the mechanism behind pages such as,
http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:vanilla
Can you please tell me where the list of objects come from?
-- David Shimamoto
Looks like you got the Infobox working now. As for the English content, none of the previous people wanted to have the English content in their template import, so I didn't include it. It's all available by clicking the "English" link on the lower left of each page.
.hc
On Nov 28, 2007, at 3:15 AM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Thanks. I am terribly sorry to bother you with this.
To my eyes, the following two pages look almost identical.
http://wiki.puredata.info/en/MediaWiki:Common.css http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/MediaWiki:Common.css
http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Template:Infobox_Objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/Template:Infobox_Objectclass
After you've kindly executed the import, I was imagining that for example,
http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line would be filled with English contents identical to
http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line
Unless I've done something wrong, I am imagining I've translated terms I shouldn't have in the original template. Say, for example, is 'Category:' parsed exceptionally for specific actions? Then it shouldn't have been replaced with multi byte characters of my language.
Any ideas?
-- David Shimamoto
On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:03 AM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two. You can see the pages as they are imported: http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimum
Thanks for the effort!
Yes, I see the log increasing as a reload the "recent changes" page. Is it just me or is it general to get excited watching massive data being crunched right in front of your very eyes?
Some pages I opened were just blank. I wonder if this is because the original English page is also blank... any way I will wait for the processing to end.
There shouldn't be blank pages, but they will just be templates with the infobox and the categories setup.
Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the infobox stuff will show up.
I feel I've already done this following the "admin HOW-TO". If it gets over written, I guess I can just try again.
I think it's still missing the CSS, that should be listed on the HOWTO. That's why the Infobox isn't showing up.
.hc
doh itashimashite (that's one of my favorite words in japanese :D )
Yes, domo-arigato-gozaimas!!
.hc
On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly prepared by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly has terms unified with the main page. So for that part I feel comfortable to proceed.
I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import. Thanks. :)
-- David Shimamoto
> I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it would be > good > to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template? It's up to > you. > > .hc > > On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote: > >> >> Hans, >> >> >> Thanks. >> I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' pages. >> I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import. >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- >> David Shimamoto >> >> >> >> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote >>> >>> On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi list, >>>> >>>> I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia. >>>> >>>> >>>> ======= >>>> 1. >>>> Has there already been discussions on policies regarding >>>> when/which >>>> pages to lock? >>>> I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to >>>> go if >>>> only >>>> the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki >>>> spammers? >>> >>> Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting over a >>> page. I >>> can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd need to >>> lock >>> pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet. >>> >>>> ======= >>>> 2. >>>> Regarding importing data from other languages.. >>>> For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following >>>> procedure. >>>> >>>> I. Open the pdpedia page in English. >>>> II. Enter "edit" mode and [copy] the contents in the form >>>> III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the >>>> material >>>> above. >>>> IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The above does not work for pages such as 'Category:vanilla'. >>>> I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in the >>>> page. >>>> Can some one help me on importing the list of objects? >>>> >>>> I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and Portuguese >>>> pages >>>> have been successful in this. >>> >>> Once that translated template that you posted is ready to go, then >>> I'll >>> run the import. That will generate template pages for about 2000 >>> objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in content, which >>> can be >>> gathered from pages in other languages, help patches, etc. >>> >>> .hc >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> -- >>>> David Shimamoto >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a >>> more >>> direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in >>> practice, it >>> can change entire economies. - Amy Smith >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther > King, Jr. > > >
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated.... -John Donne
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin Luther King, Jr.
The lists are built automatically by mediawiki from every page that
has [[Category:objectclass]] and [[Category:vanilla]] in it.
.hc
On Nov 28, 2007, at 12:12 PM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Ok, I figure only the page names are copied.
One last question if before I start adding text..
I don't quite understand the mechanism behind pages such as,
http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:vanilla
Can you please tell me where the list of objects come from?
-- David Shimamoto
Looks like you got the Infobox working now. As for the English
content, none of the previous people wanted to have the English content in
their template import, so I didn't include it. It's all available by
clicking the "English" link on the lower left of each page..hc
On Nov 28, 2007, at 3:15 AM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Thanks. I am terribly sorry to bother you with this.
To my eyes, the following two pages look almost identical.
http://wiki.puredata.info/en/MediaWiki:Common.css http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/MediaWiki:Common.css
http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Template:Infobox_Objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/Template:Infobox_Objectclass
After you've kindly executed the import, I was imagining that for example,
http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line would be filled with English contents identical to
http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line
Unless I've done something wrong, I am imagining I've translated terms I shouldn't have in the original template. Say, for example, is 'Category:' parsed exceptionally for specific actions? Then it shouldn't have been replaced with multi byte characters of my language.
Any ideas?
-- David Shimamoto
On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:03 AM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two. You can see the
pages as they are imported: http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimumThanks for the effort!
Yes, I see the log increasing as a reload the "recent changes"
page. Is it just me or is it general to get excited watching massive data being crunched right in front of your very eyes?Some pages I opened were just blank. I wonder if this is because the original English page is also blank... any way I will wait for the processing to end.
There shouldn't be blank pages, but they will just be templates
with the infobox and the categories setup.Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the
infobox stuff will show up.I feel I've already done this following the "admin HOW-TO". If it gets over written, I guess I can just try again.
I think it's still missing the CSS, that should be listed on the
HOWTO. That's why the Infobox isn't showing up..hc
doh itashimashite (that's one of my favorite words in
japanese :D )Yes, domo-arigato-gozaimas!!
.hc
On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote:
> > Hans, > > > Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly
> prepared > by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly has terms > unified with the main page. So for that part I feel
> comfortable to > proceed. > > I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import. > Thanks. :) > > -- > David Shimamoto > > > >> I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it
>> would be >> good >> to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template?
>> It's up to >> you. >> >> .hc >> >> On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote: >> >>> >>> Hans, >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos'
>>> pages. >>> I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> -- >>> David Shimamoto >>> >>> >>> >>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote >>>> >>>> On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi list, >>>>> >>>>> I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ======= >>>>> 1. >>>>> Has there already been discussions on policies regarding >>>>> when/which >>>>> pages to lock? >>>>> I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to >>>>> go if >>>>> only >>>>> the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki >>>>> spammers? >>>> >>>> Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting
>>>> over a >>>> page. I >>>> can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd
>>>> need to >>>> lock >>>> pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet. >>>> >>>>> ======= >>>>> 2. >>>>> Regarding importing data from other languages.. >>>>> For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following >>>>> procedure. >>>>> >>>>> I. Open the pdpedia page in English. >>>>> II. Enter "edit" mode and [copy] the contents in the form >>>>> III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste]
>>>>> the >>>>> material >>>>> above. >>>>> IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The above does not work for pages such as
>>>>> 'Category:vanilla'. >>>>> I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in the >>>>> page. >>>>> Can some one help me on importing the list of objects? >>>>> >>>>> I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and
>>>>> Portuguese >>>>> pages >>>>> have been successful in this. >>>> >>>> Once that translated template that you posted is ready to
>>>> go, then >>>> I'll >>>> run the import. That will generate template pages for
>>>> about 2000 >>>> objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in content,
>>>> which >>>> can be >>>> gathered from pages in other languages, help patches, etc. >>>> >>>> .hc >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> -- >>>>> David Shimamoto >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> --------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up
>>>> with a >>>> more >>>> direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in >>>> practice, it >>>> can change entire economies. - Amy Smith >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin
>> Luther >> King, Jr. >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man
dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated.... -John Donne
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their
minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin Luther King, Jr.
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list
If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
Hans,
The lists are built automatically by mediawiki from every page that has [[Category:objectclass]] and [[Category:vanilla]] in it.
In this case, 'Category' and 'Object class' is replaced by the localized term defined in the template.. I see the links in the Spanish page functioning properly in this manner.
Combinations I've tried so far do not seem to work.
Am I the only one dealing with multi byte characters at this site so far? I am beginning to have a bad feeling about their behavior.
-- David Shimamoto
.hc
On Nov 28, 2007, at 12:12 PM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Ok, I figure only the page names are copied.
One last question if before I start adding text..
I don't quite understand the mechanism behind pages such as,
http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:vanilla
Can you please tell me where the list of objects come from?
-- David Shimamoto
Looks like you got the Infobox working now. As for the English content, none of the previous people wanted to have the English content in their template import, so I didn't include it. It's all available by clicking the "English" link on the lower left of each page.
.hc
On Nov 28, 2007, at 3:15 AM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Thanks. I am terribly sorry to bother you with this.
To my eyes, the following two pages look almost identical.
http://wiki.puredata.info/en/MediaWiki:Common.css http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/MediaWiki:Common.css
http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Template:Infobox_Objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/Template:Infobox_Objectclass
After you've kindly executed the import, I was imagining that for example,
http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line would be filled with English contents identical to
http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line
Unless I've done something wrong, I am imagining I've translated terms I shouldn't have in the original template. Say, for example, is 'Category:' parsed exceptionally for specific actions? Then it shouldn't have been replaced with multi byte characters of my language.
Any ideas?
-- David Shimamoto
On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:03 AM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
> Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two. You can see the > pages as > they are imported: > http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimum
Thanks for the effort!
Yes, I see the log increasing as a reload the "recent changes" page. Is it just me or is it general to get excited watching massive data being crunched right in front of your very eyes?
Some pages I opened were just blank. I wonder if this is because the original English page is also blank... any way I will wait for the processing to end.
There shouldn't be blank pages, but they will just be templates with the infobox and the categories setup.
> Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the infobox > stuff will show up.
I feel I've already done this following the "admin HOW-TO". If it gets over written, I guess I can just try again.
I think it's still missing the CSS, that should be listed on the HOWTO. That's why the Infobox isn't showing up.
.hc
> doh itashimashite (that's one of my favorite words in japanese :D )
Yes, domo-arigato-gozaimas!!
> > .hc > > On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote: > >> >> Hans, >> >> >> Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly prepared >> by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly has terms >> unified with the main page. So for that part I feel comfortable to >> proceed. >> >> I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import. >> Thanks. :) >> >> -- >> David Shimamoto >> >> >> >>> I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it would be >>> good >>> to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template? It's >>> up to >>> you. >>> >>> .hc >>> >>> On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hans, >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' pages. >>>> I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> David Shimamoto >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi list, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ======= >>>>>> 1. >>>>>> Has there already been discussions on policies regarding >>>>>> when/which >>>>>> pages to lock? >>>>>> I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to >>>>>> go if >>>>>> only >>>>>> the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki >>>>>> spammers? >>>>> >>>>> Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting over a >>>>> page. I >>>>> can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd >>>>> need to >>>>> lock >>>>> pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet. >>>>> >>>>>> ======= >>>>>> 2. >>>>>> Regarding importing data from other languages.. >>>>>> For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following >>>>>> procedure. >>>>>> >>>>>> I. Open the pdpedia page in English. >>>>>> II. Enter "edit" mode and [copy] the contents in the form >>>>>> III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the >>>>>> material >>>>>> above. >>>>>> IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The above does not work for pages such as 'Category:vanilla'. >>>>>> I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in the >>>>>> page. >>>>>> Can some one help me on importing the list of objects? >>>>>> >>>>>> I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and Portuguese >>>>>> pages >>>>>> have been successful in this. >>>>> >>>>> Once that translated template that you posted is ready to go, >>>>> then >>>>> I'll >>>>> run the import. That will generate template pages for about >>>>> 2000 >>>>> objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in content, which >>>>> can be >>>>> gathered from pages in other languages, help patches, etc. >>>>> >>>>> .hc >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> David Shimamoto >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >>>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up >>>>> with a >>>>> more >>>>> direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in >>>>> practice, it >>>>> can change entire economies. - Amy Smith >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther >>> King, Jr. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is > publicity. - Bill Moyers > > >
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated.... -John Donne
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin Luther King, Jr.
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
On Nov 29, 2007, at 12:24 AM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
The lists are built automatically by mediawiki from every page
that has [[Category:objectclass]] and [[Category:vanilla]] in it.In this case, 'Category' and 'Object class' is replaced by the
localized term defined in the template.. I see the links in the Spanish page functioning properly in this manner.Combinations I've tried so far do not seem to work.
Am I the only one dealing with multi byte characters at this site so far? I am beginning to have a bad feeling about their behavior.
Yeah, you are the first working with multi-byte characters. The
Chinese and Japanese wikipedia sites are pretty large, so I think
that multi-byte characters should work fine. I don't think any of us
are experts in MediaWiki, the software used for Pdpedia. You might
try a mediawiki forum.
.hc
-- David Shimamoto
.hc
On Nov 28, 2007, at 12:12 PM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Ok, I figure only the page names are copied.
One last question if before I start adding text..
I don't quite understand the mechanism behind pages such as,
http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:vanilla
Can you please tell me where the list of objects come from?
-- David Shimamoto
Looks like you got the Infobox working now. As for the English
content, none of the previous people wanted to have the English content
in their template import, so I didn't include it. It's all available by
clicking the "English" link on the lower left of each page..hc
On Nov 28, 2007, at 3:15 AM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Thanks. I am terribly sorry to bother you with this.
To my eyes, the following two pages look almost identical.
http://wiki.puredata.info/en/MediaWiki:Common.css http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/MediaWiki:Common.css
http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Template:Infobox_Objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/Template:Infobox_Objectclass
After you've kindly executed the import, I was imagining that for example,
http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line would be filled with English contents identical to
http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line
Unless I've done something wrong, I am imagining I've translated terms I shouldn't have in the original template. Say, for example, is 'Category:' parsed exceptionally for specific actions? Then it shouldn't have been replaced with multi byte characters of my language.
Any ideas?
-- David Shimamoto
On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:03 AM, PSPunch wrote:
> > Hans, > > >> Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two. You can see the >> pages as >> they are imported: >> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimum > > Thanks for the effort! > > Yes, I see the log increasing as a reload the "recent
> changes" page. > Is it just me or is it general to get excited watching > massive data being crunched right in front of your very eyes? > > Some pages I opened were just blank. > I wonder if this is because the original English page > is also blank... any way I will wait for the processing to end.There shouldn't be blank pages, but they will just be templates with the infobox and the categories setup.
>> Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the
>> infobox >> stuff will show up. > > I feel I've already done this following the "admin HOW-TO". > If it gets over written, I guess I can just try again.I think it's still missing the CSS, that should be listed on the HOWTO. That's why the Infobox isn't showing up.
.hc
> > >> doh itashimashite (that's one of my favorite words in
>> japanese :D ) > > Yes, domo-arigato-gozaimas!! > > > >> >> .hc >> >> On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote: >> >>> >>> Hans, >>> >>> >>> Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly
>>> prepared >>> by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly has
>>> terms >>> unified with the main page. So for that part I feel
>>> comfortable to >>> proceed. >>> >>> I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import. >>> Thanks. :) >>> >>> -- >>> David Shimamoto >>> >>> >>> >>>> I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it
>>>> would be >>>> good >>>> to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template? It's >>>> up to >>>> you. >>>> >>>> .hc >>>> >>>> On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hans, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos'
>>>>> pages. >>>>> I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> David Shimamoto >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi list, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ======= >>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>> Has there already been discussions on policies regarding >>>>>>> when/which >>>>>>> pages to lock? >>>>>>> I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the
>>>>>>> way to >>>>>>> go if >>>>>>> only >>>>>>> the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki >>>>>>> spammers? >>>>>> >>>>>> Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting
>>>>>> over a >>>>>> page. I >>>>>> can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd >>>>>> need to >>>>>> lock >>>>>> pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet. >>>>>> >>>>>>> ======= >>>>>>> 2. >>>>>>> Regarding importing data from other languages.. >>>>>>> For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the
>>>>>>> following >>>>>>> procedure. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I. Open the pdpedia page in English. >>>>>>> II. Enter "edit" mode and [copy] the contents in the form >>>>>>> III. Create an equivalent page in my language and
>>>>>>> [paste] the >>>>>>> material >>>>>>> above. >>>>>>> IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> The above does not work for pages such as
>>>>>>> 'Category:vanilla'. >>>>>>> I don't quite understand how that content is embedded
>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>> page. >>>>>>> Can some one help me on importing the list of objects? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and
>>>>>>> Portuguese >>>>>>> pages >>>>>>> have been successful in this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Once that translated template that you posted is ready
>>>>>> to go, >>>>>> then >>>>>> I'll >>>>>> run the import. That will generate template pages for
>>>>>> about >>>>>> 2000 >>>>>> objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in
>>>>>> content, which >>>>>> can be >>>>>> gathered from pages in other languages, help patches, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> .hc >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> David Shimamoto >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >>>>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> ----------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up >>>>>> with a >>>>>> more >>>>>> direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in >>>>>> practice, it >>>>>> can change entire economies. - Amy Smith >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> --------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin
>>>> Luther >>>> King, Jr. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is >> publicity. - Bill Moyers >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man
dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated.... -John Donne
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I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have
three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their
minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin
Luther King, Jr.
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If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
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If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of
exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an
idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps
it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into
the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess
himself of it. - Thomas Jefferson
Hans,
Problem solved.
When the pages were imported from the original English page, the line [[Category:vanilla]]
in all pages were replaced with [[XXXXXX:vanilla]]
where XXXXXX is the translated term for 'Category'.
This should have remained untranslated for MediaWiki to parse properly and add that page to the category it claimed to belong to.
Thanks for all the help though. Now I feel comfortable to start seeking volunteers to start working on pages :)
-- David Shimamoto
On Nov 29, 2007, at 12:24 AM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
The lists are built automatically by mediawiki from every page that has [[Category:objectclass]] and [[Category:vanilla]] in it.
In this case, 'Category' and 'Object class' is replaced by the localized term defined in the template.. I see the links in the Spanish page functioning properly in this manner.
Combinations I've tried so far do not seem to work.
Am I the only one dealing with multi byte characters at this site so far? I am beginning to have a bad feeling about their behavior.
Yeah, you are the first working with multi-byte characters. The Chinese and Japanese wikipedia sites are pretty large, so I think that multi-byte characters should work fine. I don't think any of us are experts in MediaWiki, the software used for Pdpedia. You might try a mediawiki forum.
.hc
-- David Shimamoto
.hc
On Nov 28, 2007, at 12:12 PM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Ok, I figure only the page names are copied.
One last question if before I start adding text..
I don't quite understand the mechanism behind pages such as,
http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:vanilla
Can you please tell me where the list of objects come from?
-- David Shimamoto
Looks like you got the Infobox working now. As for the English content, none of the previous people wanted to have the English content in their template import, so I didn't include it. It's all available by clicking the "English" link on the lower left of each page.
.hc
On Nov 28, 2007, at 3:15 AM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Thanks. I am terribly sorry to bother you with this.
To my eyes, the following two pages look almost identical.
http://wiki.puredata.info/en/MediaWiki:Common.css http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/MediaWiki:Common.css
http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Template:Infobox_Objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/Template:Infobox_Objectclass
After you've kindly executed the import, I was imagining that for example,
http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line would be filled with English contents identical to
http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line
Unless I've done something wrong, I am imagining I've translated terms I shouldn't have in the original template. Say, for example, is 'Category:' parsed exceptionally for specific actions? Then it shouldn't have been replaced with multi byte characters of my language.
Any ideas?
-- David Shimamoto
> On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:03 AM, PSPunch wrote: > >> >> Hans, >> >> >>> Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two. You can see the >>> pages as >>> they are imported: >>> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimum >> >> Thanks for the effort! >> >> Yes, I see the log increasing as a reload the "recent changes" >> page. >> Is it just me or is it general to get excited watching >> massive data being crunched right in front of your very eyes? >> >> Some pages I opened were just blank. >> I wonder if this is because the original English page >> is also blank... any way I will wait for the processing to end. > > There shouldn't be blank pages, but they will just be templates > with the > infobox and the categories setup. > >>> Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the >>> infobox >>> stuff will show up. >> >> I feel I've already done this following the "admin HOW-TO". >> If it gets over written, I guess I can just try again. > > I think it's still missing the CSS, that should be listed on the > HOWTO. > That's why the Infobox isn't showing up. > > .hc > > >> >> >>> doh itashimashite (that's one of my favorite words in japanese >>> :D ) >> >> Yes, domo-arigato-gozaimas!! >> >> >> >>> >>> .hc >>> >>> On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hans, >>>> >>>> >>>> Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly prepared >>>> by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly has terms >>>> unified with the main page. So for that part I feel >>>> comfortable to >>>> proceed. >>>> >>>> I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import. >>>> Thanks. :) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> David Shimamoto >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it >>>>> would be >>>>> good >>>>> to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template? It's >>>>> up to >>>>> you. >>>>> >>>>> .hc >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hans, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' >>>>>> pages. >>>>>> I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> David Shimamoto >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi list, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ======= >>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>> Has there already been discussions on policies regarding >>>>>>>> when/which >>>>>>>> pages to lock? >>>>>>>> I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to >>>>>>>> go if >>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>> the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki >>>>>>>> spammers? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting over a >>>>>>> page. I >>>>>>> can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd >>>>>>> need to >>>>>>> lock >>>>>>> pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ======= >>>>>>>> 2. >>>>>>>> Regarding importing data from other languages.. >>>>>>>> For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following >>>>>>>> procedure. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I. Open the pdpedia page in English. >>>>>>>> II. Enter "edit" mode and [copy] the contents in the form >>>>>>>> III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the >>>>>>>> material >>>>>>>> above. >>>>>>>> IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> The above does not work for pages such as 'Category:vanilla'. >>>>>>>> I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in the >>>>>>>> page. >>>>>>>> Can some one help me on importing the list of objects? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and >>>>>>>> Portuguese >>>>>>>> pages >>>>>>>> have been successful in this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Once that translated template that you posted is ready to go, >>>>>>> then >>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>> run the import. That will generate template pages for about >>>>>>> 2000 >>>>>>> objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in content, >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> can be >>>>>>> gathered from pages in other languages, help patches, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> .hc >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> David Shimamoto >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >>>>>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up >>>>>>> with a >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in >>>>>>> practice, it >>>>>>> can change entire economies. - Amy Smith >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >>>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin >>>>> Luther >>>>> King, Jr. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is >>> publicity. - Bill Moyers >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, > one > chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better > language; and every chapter must be so translated.... -John Donne > > >
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I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin Luther King, Jr.
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
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If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. - Thomas Jefferson
You can add a redirect page for that translation, instead of changing
every page. basically create a new page [[XXXXXX:vanilla]] and then
add this text to that page:
#redirect [[Category:vanilla]]
.hc
On Nov 29, 2007, at 11:32 PM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Problem solved.
When the pages were imported from the original English page, the line [[Category:vanilla]]
in all pages were replaced with [[XXXXXX:vanilla]]
where XXXXXX is the translated term for 'Category'.
This should have remained untranslated for MediaWiki to parse properly and add that page to the category it claimed to belong to.
Thanks for all the help though. Now I feel comfortable to start seeking volunteers to start working on pages :)
-- David Shimamoto
On Nov 29, 2007, at 12:24 AM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
The lists are built automatically by mediawiki from every page
that has [[Category:objectclass]] and [[Category:vanilla]] in it.In this case, 'Category' and 'Object class' is replaced by the
localized term defined in the template.. I see the links in the Spanish page functioning properly in this manner.Combinations I've tried so far do not seem to work.
Am I the only one dealing with multi byte characters at this site so far? I am beginning to have a bad feeling about their behavior.
Yeah, you are the first working with multi-byte characters. The
Chinese and Japanese wikipedia sites are pretty large, so I think that multi-byte characters should work fine. I don't think any of us are experts in MediaWiki, the software used for Pdpedia. You might try a mediawiki forum..hc
-- David Shimamoto
.hc
On Nov 28, 2007, at 12:12 PM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Ok, I figure only the page names are copied.
One last question if before I start adding text..
I don't quite understand the mechanism behind pages such as,
http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:vanilla
Can you please tell me where the list of objects come from?
-- David Shimamoto
Looks like you got the Infobox working now. As for the English content, none of the previous people wanted to have the English content in their template import, so I didn't include it. It's all available by clicking the "English" link on the lower left of each page.
.hc
On Nov 28, 2007, at 3:15 AM, PSPunch wrote:
> > Hans, > > > Thanks. > I am terribly sorry to bother you with this. > > > To my eyes, the following two pages look almost identical. > > http://wiki.puredata.info/en/MediaWiki:Common.css > http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/MediaWiki:Common.css > > http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Template:Infobox_Objectclass > http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/Template:Infobox_Objectclass > > --- > After you've kindly executed the import, I was imagining > that for example, > > http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line > would be filled with English contents identical to > > http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line > > > Unless I've done something wrong, I am imagining I've > translated terms I shouldn't have in the original template. > Say, for example, is 'Category:' parsed exceptionally for > specific actions? Then it shouldn't have been replaced > with multi byte characters of my language. > > Any ideas? > > -- > David Shimamoto > > > >> On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:03 AM, PSPunch wrote: >> >>> >>> Hans, >>> >>> >>>> Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two. You can see the >>>> pages as >>>> they are imported: >>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimum >>> >>> Thanks for the effort! >>> >>> Yes, I see the log increasing as a reload the "recent changes" >>> page. >>> Is it just me or is it general to get excited watching >>> massive data being crunched right in front of your very eyes? >>> >>> Some pages I opened were just blank. >>> I wonder if this is because the original English page >>> is also blank... any way I will wait for the processing to
>>> end. >> >> There shouldn't be blank pages, but they will just be templates >> with the >> infobox and the categories setup. >> >>>> Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the >>>> infobox >>>> stuff will show up. >>> >>> I feel I've already done this following the "admin HOW-TO". >>> If it gets over written, I guess I can just try again. >> >> I think it's still missing the CSS, that should be listed on
>> the >> HOWTO. >> That's why the Infobox isn't showing up. >> >> .hc >> >> >>> >>> >>>> doh itashimashite (that's one of my favorite words in
>>>> japanese >>>> :D ) >>> >>> Yes, domo-arigato-gozaimas!! >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> .hc >>>> >>>> On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hans, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly
>>>>> prepared >>>>> by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly
>>>>> has terms >>>>> unified with the main page. So for that part I feel >>>>> comfortable to >>>>> proceed. >>>>> >>>>> I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import. >>>>> Thanks. :) >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> David Shimamoto >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it >>>>>> would be >>>>>> good >>>>>> to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template?
>>>>>> It's >>>>>> up to >>>>>> you. >>>>>> >>>>>> .hc >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hans, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' >>>>>>> pages. >>>>>>> I would appreciate it if you could try executing the
>>>>>>> import. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> David Shimamoto >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi list, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have some questions for some of you working on
>>>>>>>>> pdpedia. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ======= >>>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>>> Has there already been discussions on policies regarding >>>>>>>>> when/which >>>>>>>>> pages to lock? >>>>>>>>> I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the
>>>>>>>>> way to >>>>>>>>> go if >>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>> the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet
>>>>>>>>> MediaWiki >>>>>>>>> spammers? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Locking pages is basically for when people are
>>>>>>>> fighting over a >>>>>>>> page. I >>>>>>>> can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that
>>>>>>>> we'd >>>>>>>> need to >>>>>>>> lock >>>>>>>> pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ======= >>>>>>>>> 2. >>>>>>>>> Regarding importing data from other languages.. >>>>>>>>> For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the
>>>>>>>>> following >>>>>>>>> procedure. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I. Open the pdpedia page in English. >>>>>>>>> II. Enter "edit" mode and [copy] the contents in the
>>>>>>>>> form >>>>>>>>> III. Create an equivalent page in my language and
>>>>>>>>> [paste] the >>>>>>>>> material >>>>>>>>> above. >>>>>>>>> IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> The above does not work for pages such as
>>>>>>>>> 'Category:vanilla'. >>>>>>>>> I don't quite understand how that content is embedded
>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>> page. >>>>>>>>> Can some one help me on importing the list of objects? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and >>>>>>>>> Portuguese >>>>>>>>> pages >>>>>>>>> have been successful in this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Once that translated template that you posted is ready
>>>>>>>> to go, >>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>>> run the import. That will generate template pages for
>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>> 2000 >>>>>>>> objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in
>>>>>>>> content, >>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>> can be >>>>>>>> gathered from pages in other languages, help patches,
>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> .hc >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> David Shimamoto >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >>>>>>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>>>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> ------------------- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Looking at things from a more basic level, you can
>>>>>>>> come up >>>>>>>> with a >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but
>>>>>>>> it in >>>>>>>> practice, it >>>>>>>> can change entire economies. - Amy Smith >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >>>>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> ----------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin >>>>>> Luther >>>>>> King, Jr. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> --------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> News is what people want to keep hidden and everything
>>>> else is >>>> publicity. - Bill Moyers >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one
>> man dies, >> one >> chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a
>> better >> language; and every chapter must be so translated.... -John
>> Donne >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can
have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin
Luther King, Jr.
PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
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If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he
keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. - Thomas Jefferson
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glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and
this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin
Le vendredi 30 novembre 2007 à 15:20 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
You can add a redirect page for that translation, instead of changing
every page. basically create a new page [[XXXXXX:vanilla]] and then
add this text to that page:#redirect [[Category:vanilla]]
I have worked a bit a page about wiki shortcuts and such in French at http://wiki.puredata.info/fr/Aide:Contents but still havent foudn the time to reflect the changes into http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Help:Contents
I guess the latter shoudl be translated first in general when you start a new language version
my 2 two thunes
O.
.hc
On Nov 29, 2007, at 11:32 PM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Problem solved.
When the pages were imported from the original English page, the line [[Category:vanilla]]
in all pages were replaced with [[XXXXXX:vanilla]]
where XXXXXX is the translated term for 'Category'.
This should have remained untranslated for MediaWiki to parse properly and add that page to the category it claimed to belong to.
Thanks for all the help though. Now I feel comfortable to start seeking volunteers to start working on pages :)
-- David Shimamoto
On Nov 29, 2007, at 12:24 AM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
The lists are built automatically by mediawiki from every page
that has [[Category:objectclass]] and [[Category:vanilla]] in it.In this case, 'Category' and 'Object class' is replaced by the
localized term defined in the template.. I see the links in the Spanish page functioning properly in this manner.Combinations I've tried so far do not seem to work.
Am I the only one dealing with multi byte characters at this site so far? I am beginning to have a bad feeling about their behavior.
Yeah, you are the first working with multi-byte characters. The
Chinese and Japanese wikipedia sites are pretty large, so I think that multi-byte characters should work fine. I don't think any of us are experts in MediaWiki, the software used for Pdpedia. You might try a mediawiki forum..hc
-- David Shimamoto
.hc
On Nov 28, 2007, at 12:12 PM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Ok, I figure only the page names are copied.
One last question if before I start adding text..
I don't quite understand the mechanism behind pages such as,
http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:vanilla
Can you please tell me where the list of objects come from?
-- David Shimamoto
> Looks like you got the Infobox working now. As for the English > content, > none of the previous people wanted to have the English content in > their > template import, so I didn't include it. It's all available by > clicking > the "English" link on the lower left of each page. > > .hc > > On Nov 28, 2007, at 3:15 AM, PSPunch wrote: > >> >> Hans, >> >> >> Thanks. >> I am terribly sorry to bother you with this. >> >> >> To my eyes, the following two pages look almost identical. >> >> http://wiki.puredata.info/en/MediaWiki:Common.css >> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/MediaWiki:Common.css >> >> http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Template:Infobox_Objectclass >> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/Template:Infobox_Objectclass >> >> --- >> After you've kindly executed the import, I was imagining >> that for example, >> >> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line >> would be filled with English contents identical to >> >> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line >> >> >> Unless I've done something wrong, I am imagining I've >> translated terms I shouldn't have in the original template. >> Say, for example, is 'Category:' parsed exceptionally for >> specific actions? Then it shouldn't have been replaced >> with multi byte characters of my language. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> -- >> David Shimamoto >> >> >> >>> On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:03 AM, PSPunch wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hans, >>>> >>>> >>>>> Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two. You can see the >>>>> pages as >>>>> they are imported: >>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimum >>>> >>>> Thanks for the effort! >>>> >>>> Yes, I see the log increasing as a reload the "recent changes" >>>> page. >>>> Is it just me or is it general to get excited watching >>>> massive data being crunched right in front of your very eyes? >>>> >>>> Some pages I opened were just blank. >>>> I wonder if this is because the original English page >>>> is also blank... any way I will wait for the processing to
>>>> end. >>> >>> There shouldn't be blank pages, but they will just be templates >>> with the >>> infobox and the categories setup. >>> >>>>> Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the >>>>> infobox >>>>> stuff will show up. >>>> >>>> I feel I've already done this following the "admin HOW-TO". >>>> If it gets over written, I guess I can just try again. >>> >>> I think it's still missing the CSS, that should be listed on
>>> the >>> HOWTO. >>> That's why the Infobox isn't showing up. >>> >>> .hc >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> doh itashimashite (that's one of my favorite words in
>>>>> japanese >>>>> :D ) >>>> >>>> Yes, domo-arigato-gozaimas!! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> .hc >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hans, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly
>>>>>> prepared >>>>>> by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly
>>>>>> has terms >>>>>> unified with the main page. So for that part I feel >>>>>> comfortable to >>>>>> proceed. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import. >>>>>> Thanks. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> David Shimamoto >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it >>>>>>> would be >>>>>>> good >>>>>>> to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template?
>>>>>>> It's >>>>>>> up to >>>>>>> you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> .hc >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hans, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' >>>>>>>> pages. >>>>>>>> I would appreciate it if you could try executing the
>>>>>>>> import. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> David Shimamoto >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi list, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have some questions for some of you working on
>>>>>>>>>> pdpedia. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ======= >>>>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>>>> Has there already been discussions on policies regarding >>>>>>>>>> when/which >>>>>>>>>> pages to lock? >>>>>>>>>> I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the
>>>>>>>>>> way to >>>>>>>>>> go if >>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>> the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet
>>>>>>>>>> MediaWiki >>>>>>>>>> spammers? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Locking pages is basically for when people are
>>>>>>>>> fighting over a >>>>>>>>> page. I >>>>>>>>> can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that
>>>>>>>>> we'd >>>>>>>>> need to >>>>>>>>> lock >>>>>>>>> pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ======= >>>>>>>>>> 2. >>>>>>>>>> Regarding importing data from other languages.. >>>>>>>>>> For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the
>>>>>>>>>> following >>>>>>>>>> procedure. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I. Open the pdpedia page in English. >>>>>>>>>> II. Enter "edit" mode and [copy] the contents in the
>>>>>>>>>> form >>>>>>>>>> III. Create an equivalent page in my language and
>>>>>>>>>> [paste] the >>>>>>>>>> material >>>>>>>>>> above. >>>>>>>>>> IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> The above does not work for pages such as
>>>>>>>>>> 'Category:vanilla'. >>>>>>>>>> I don't quite understand how that content is embedded
>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>> page. >>>>>>>>>> Can some one help me on importing the list of objects? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and >>>>>>>>>> Portuguese >>>>>>>>>> pages >>>>>>>>>> have been successful in this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Once that translated template that you posted is ready
>>>>>>>>> to go, >>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>>>> run the import. That will generate template pages for
>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> 2000 >>>>>>>>> objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in
>>>>>>>>> content, >>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>> can be >>>>>>>>> gathered from pages in other languages, help patches,
>>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> .hc >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> David Shimamoto >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >>>>>>>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> ------------------- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Looking at things from a more basic level, you can
>>>>>>>>> come up >>>>>>>>> with a >>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>> direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but
>>>>>>>>> it in >>>>>>>>> practice, it >>>>>>>>> can change entire economies. - Amy Smith >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >>>>>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> ----------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin >>>>>>> Luther >>>>>>> King, Jr. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >>>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> --------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> News is what people want to keep hidden and everything
>>>>> else is >>>>> publicity. - Bill Moyers >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one
>>> man dies, >>> one >>> chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a
>>> better >>> language; and every chapter must be so translated.... -John
>>> Donne >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > > > > > I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can
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> Luther > King, Jr. > > >
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