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I saw an object make by Katja, but is to high level for me. I just want to begin with small examples made with Pd and a little bit of theory on this topic. ++
Jack
Le 25/10/2014 12:23, peiman khosravi a écrit :
So far as I know it's only MaxMSP: http://www.alexanderjharker.co.uk/Software.html
But I'm sure someone here will know of a pd external for convolution (?)
All the best, Peiman
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On 25 October 2014 11:11, Jack jack@rybn.org wrote:
Hello Peiman,
Thanx for the links, it was instructive. Do you know where i could find Pd patch about impulse response ? ++
Jack
Le 20/10/2014 17:38, peiman khosravi a écrit :
This might be of interest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0waUi6qpf-k
Also discussed here: http://eprints.hud.ac.uk/14897/
P
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On 20 October 2014 16:30, Jack jack@rybn.org wrote:
Hello,
I don't know a lot of things in this domain. I just know that reflected source signals are sensitive to the environment geometry and materials and I would like to get the room impulse response. Is there good informations about this topic somewhere (web or help patch) ? Is there an existing (simple) patch I can use to understand the process ? Thanx. ++
Jack
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for convolution purpose there are afaik lots of implementation you can even do your own in pure pd (without externals) the last externals I saw doing this was in the Hao or Cream library from MSH Paris Nord [1] I think the lib is shipped with lots of impulse to do binaural rendering, wich is great ! be careful there are lots of incompatibilies with Vanilla (I made a Makefile but I stuck with some crashes due to some hacks in Pd's code)
btw those only do convolution not impulse response extraction, for which you need to do "deconvolution" by knowing the source impulse and it's response some software are dedicated to this task, but I don't know any on linux
the old way to record impulse response is to fire some explosive or gun but they make a weighted noise and thus the impulse will be "colored" by the impulse source. once you have recorded an impulse, edit it to remove onset time and then convolve it with your live sound. the key to make a convolution reverb sounding great is to have a good impulse.
cheers
a
[1] : https://github.com/CICM/HoaLibrary/releases
do it yourself http://antoine.villeret.free.fr
2014-10-25 12:35 GMT+02:00 Jack jack@rybn.org:
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I saw an object make by Katja, but is to high level for me. I just want to begin with small examples made with Pd and a little bit of theory on this topic. ++
Jack
Le 25/10/2014 12:23, peiman khosravi a écrit :
So far as I know it's only MaxMSP: http://www.alexanderjharker.co.uk/Software.html
But I'm sure someone here will know of a pd external for convolution (?)
All the best, Peiman
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On 25 October 2014 11:11, Jack jack@rybn.org wrote:
Hello Peiman,
Thanx for the links, it was instructive. Do you know where i could find Pd patch about impulse response ? ++
Jack
Le 20/10/2014 17:38, peiman khosravi a écrit :
This might be of interest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0waUi6qpf-k
Also discussed here: http://eprints.hud.ac.uk/14897/
P
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On 20 October 2014 16:30, Jack jack@rybn.org wrote:
Hello,
I don't know a lot of things in this domain. I just know that reflected source signals are sensitive to the environment geometry and materials and I would like to get the room impulse response. Is there good informations about this topic somewhere (web or help patch) ? Is there an existing (simple) patch I can use to understand the process ? Thanx. ++
Jack
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Hello Antoine,
Thanx for this brief explanation and for the link. I will dig a little bit to understand the process. Now if people know some literature about this topic, they are welcome. ++
Jack
Le 25/10/2014 13:03, Antoine Villeret a écrit :
for convolution purpose there are afaik lots of implementation you can even do your own in pure pd (without externals) the last externals I saw doing this was in the Hao or Cream library from MSH Paris Nord [1] I think the lib is shipped with lots of impulse to do binaural rendering, wich is great ! be careful there are lots of incompatibilies with Vanilla (I made a Makefile but I stuck with some crashes due to some hacks in Pd's code)
btw those only do convolution not impulse response extraction, for which you need to do "deconvolution" by knowing the source impulse and it's response some software are dedicated to this task, but I don't know any on linux
the old way to record impulse response is to fire some explosive or gun but they make a weighted noise and thus the impulse will be "colored" by the impulse source. once you have recorded an impulse, edit it to remove onset time and then convolve it with your live sound. the key to make a convolution reverb sounding great is to have a good impulse.
cheers
a
[1] : https://github.com/CICM/HoaLibrary/releases -- do it yourself http://antoine.villeret.free.fr
2014-10-25 12:35 GMT+02:00 Jack jack@rybn.org: I saw an object make by Katja, but is to high level for me. I just want to begin with small examples made with Pd and a little bit of theory on this topic. ++
Jack
Le 25/10/2014 12:23, peiman khosravi a écrit :
So far as I know it's only MaxMSP: http://www.alexanderjharker.co.uk/Software.html
But I'm sure someone here will know of a pd external for convolution (?)
All the best, Peiman
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On 25 October 2014 11:11, Jack jack@rybn.org wrote:
Hello Peiman,
Thanx for the links, it was instructive. Do you know where i could find Pd patch about impulse response ? ++
Jack
Le 20/10/2014 17:38, peiman khosravi a écrit :
> This might be of interest: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0waUi6qpf-k > > Also discussed here: http://eprints.hud.ac.uk/14897/ > > > P > > > > > *www.peimankhosravi.co.uk > http://www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS Feed > http://peimankhosravi.co.uk/miscposts.rss || Concert > News http://spectralkimia.wordpress.com/* > > On 20 October 2014 16:30, Jack jack@rybn.org wrote: > > Hello, > > I don't know a lot of things in this domain. I just > know that reflected source signals are sensitive to > the environment geometry and materials and I would like > to get the room impulse response. Is there good > informations about this topic somewhere (web or help > patch) ? Is there an existing (simple) patch I can use > to understand the process ? Thanx. ++ > > Jack > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and >> account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >
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here you can find some good introduction : http://designingsound.org/2012/12/recording-impulse-responses/
-- do it yourself http://antoine.villeret.free.fr
2014-10-25 13:22 GMT+02:00 Jack jack@rybn.org:
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Hello Antoine,
Thanx for this brief explanation and for the link. I will dig a little bit to understand the process. Now if people know some literature about this topic, they are welcome. ++
Jack
Le 25/10/2014 13:03, Antoine Villeret a écrit :
for convolution purpose there are afaik lots of implementation you can even do your own in pure pd (without externals) the last externals I saw doing this was in the Hao or Cream library from MSH Paris Nord [1] I think the lib is shipped with lots of impulse to do binaural rendering, wich is great ! be careful there are lots of incompatibilies with Vanilla (I made a Makefile but I stuck with some crashes due to some hacks in Pd's code)
btw those only do convolution not impulse response extraction, for which you need to do "deconvolution" by knowing the source impulse and it's response some software are dedicated to this task, but I don't know any on linux
the old way to record impulse response is to fire some explosive or gun but they make a weighted noise and thus the impulse will be "colored" by the impulse source. once you have recorded an impulse, edit it to remove onset time and then convolve it with your live sound. the key to make a convolution reverb sounding great is to have a good impulse.
cheers
a
[1] : https://github.com/CICM/HoaLibrary/releases -- do it yourself http://antoine.villeret.free.fr
2014-10-25 12:35 GMT+02:00 Jack jack@rybn.org: I saw an object make by Katja, but is to high level for me. I just want to begin with small examples made with Pd and a little bit of theory on this topic. ++
Jack
Le 25/10/2014 12:23, peiman khosravi a écrit :
So far as I know it's only MaxMSP: http://www.alexanderjharker.co.uk/Software.html
But I'm sure someone here will know of a pd external for convolution (?)
All the best, Peiman
*www.peimankhosravi.co.uk http://www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS Feed http://peimankhosravi.co.uk/miscposts.rss || Concert News http://spectralkimia.wordpress.com/*
On 25 October 2014 11:11, Jack jack@rybn.org wrote:
Hello Peiman,
Thanx for the links, it was instructive. Do you know where i could find Pd patch about impulse response ? ++
Jack
Le 20/10/2014 17:38, peiman khosravi a écrit :
>> This might be of interest: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0waUi6qpf-k >> >> Also discussed here: http://eprints.hud.ac.uk/14897/ >> >> >> P >> >> >> >> >> *www.peimankhosravi.co.uk >> http://www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS Feed >> http://peimankhosravi.co.uk/miscposts.rss || Concert >> News http://spectralkimia.wordpress.com/* >> >> On 20 October 2014 16:30, Jack jack@rybn.org wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I don't know a lot of things in this domain. I just >> know that reflected source signals are sensitive to >> the environment geometry and materials and I would like >> to get the room impulse response. Is there good >> informations about this topic somewhere (web or help >> patch) ? Is there an existing (simple) patch I can use >> to understand the process ? Thanx. ++ >> >> Jack >> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and >>> account-management -> >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>> >>
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Excellent ! I didn't see this web site before. It seems to be a good starting point. Merci ! ++
Jack
Le 25/10/2014 13:43, Antoine Villeret a écrit :
here you can find some good introduction : http://designingsound.org/2012/12/recording-impulse-responses/
-- do it yourself http://antoine.villeret.free.fr
2014-10-25 13:22 GMT+02:00 Jack jack@rybn.org: Hello Antoine,
Thanx for this brief explanation and for the link. I will dig a little bit to understand the process. Now if people know some literature about this topic, they are welcome. ++
Jack
Le 25/10/2014 13:03, Antoine Villeret a écrit :
for convolution purpose there are afaik lots of implementation you can even do your own in pure pd (without externals) the last externals I saw doing this was in the Hao or Cream library from MSH Paris Nord [1] I think the lib is shipped with lots of impulse to do binaural rendering, wich is great ! be careful there are lots of incompatibilies with Vanilla (I made a Makefile but I stuck with some crashes due to some hacks in Pd's code)
btw those only do convolution not impulse response extraction, for which you need to do "deconvolution" by knowing the source impulse and it's response some software are dedicated to this task, but I don't know any on linux
the old way to record impulse response is to fire some explosive or gun but they make a weighted noise and thus the impulse will be "colored" by the impulse source. once you have recorded an impulse, edit it to remove onset time and then convolve it with your live sound. the key to make a convolution reverb sounding great is to have a good impulse.
cheers
a
[1] : https://github.com/CICM/HoaLibrary/releases -- do it yourself http://antoine.villeret.free.fr
2014-10-25 12:35 GMT+02:00 Jack jack@rybn.org: I saw an object make by Katja, but is to high level for me. I just want to begin with small examples made with Pd and a little bit of theory on this topic. ++
Jack
Le 25/10/2014 12:23, peiman khosravi a écrit :
> So far as I know it's only MaxMSP: > http://www.alexanderjharker.co.uk/Software.html > > But I'm sure someone here will know of a pd external > for convolution (?) > > All the best, Peiman > > > > > *www.peimankhosravi.co.uk > http://www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS Feed > http://peimankhosravi.co.uk/miscposts.rss || Concert > News http://spectralkimia.wordpress.com/* > > On 25 October 2014 11:11, Jack jack@rybn.org wrote: > > Hello Peiman, > > Thanx for the links, it was instructive. Do you know > where i could find Pd patch about impulse response ? > ++ > > Jack > > > > Le 20/10/2014 17:38, peiman khosravi a écrit : >>>> This might be of interest: >>>> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0waUi6qpf-k >>>> >>>> Also discussed here: >>>> http://eprints.hud.ac.uk/14897/ >>>> >>>> >>>> P >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *www.peimankhosravi.co.uk >>>> http://www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS Feed >>>> http://peimankhosravi.co.uk/miscposts.rss || >>>> Concert News >>>> http://spectralkimia.wordpress.com/* >>>> >>>> On 20 October 2014 16:30, Jack jack@rybn.org >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I don't know a lot of things in this domain. I >>>> just know that reflected source signals are >>>> sensitive to the environment geometry and >>>> materials and I would like to get the room >>>> impulse response. Is there good informations >>>> about this topic somewhere (web or help patch) ? >>>> Is there an existing (simple) patch I can use to >>>> understand the process ? Thanx. ++ >>>> >>>> Jack >>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>
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Slightly off-topic but there was mention of a proposal for porting HISSTools to Pd but it's a big job and there wasn't any momentum - this was a couple of years ago now.
Spoke to Harker a couple of weeks ago and this topic came up again. The (BSD) code's in good shape and he's parsed out much of the Max/dsp code to aid a port.
It's all still outside of my skills/time (and isn't that the general problem) but it would still be a worthhile additional lib to Pd, perhaps even just a few objects such as the convolution that's all over Live (for example) these days.
Just saying like.
Anyhow, good luck with it Jack, IR's are a fun topic.
REgards,
Julian
On 25 October 2014 12:47, Jack jack@rybn.org wrote:
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Excellent ! I didn't see this web site before. It seems to be a good starting point. Merci ! ++
Jack
Le 25/10/2014 13:43, Antoine Villeret a écrit :
here you can find some good introduction : http://designingsound.org/2012/12/recording-impulse-responses/
-- do it yourself http://antoine.villeret.free.fr
2014-10-25 13:22 GMT+02:00 Jack jack@rybn.org: Hello Antoine,
Thanx for this brief explanation and for the link. I will dig a little bit to understand the process. Now if people know some literature about this topic, they are welcome. ++
Jack
Le 25/10/2014 13:03, Antoine Villeret a écrit :
for convolution purpose there are afaik lots of implementation you can even do your own in pure pd (without externals) the last externals I saw doing this was in the Hao or Cream library from MSH Paris Nord [1] I think the lib is shipped with lots of impulse to do binaural rendering, wich is great ! be careful there are lots of incompatibilies with Vanilla (I made a Makefile but I stuck with some crashes due to some hacks in Pd's code)
btw those only do convolution not impulse response extraction, for which you need to do "deconvolution" by knowing the source impulse and it's response some software are dedicated to this task, but I don't know any on linux
the old way to record impulse response is to fire some explosive or gun but they make a weighted noise and thus the impulse will be "colored" by the impulse source. once you have recorded an impulse, edit it to remove onset time and then convolve it with your live sound. the key to make a convolution reverb sounding great is to have a good impulse.
cheers
a
[1] : https://github.com/CICM/HoaLibrary/releases -- do it yourself http://antoine.villeret.free.fr
2014-10-25 12:35 GMT+02:00 Jack jack@rybn.org: I saw an object make by Katja, but is to high level for me. I just want to begin with small examples made with Pd and a little bit of theory on this topic. ++
Jack
Le 25/10/2014 12:23, peiman khosravi a écrit :
>> So far as I know it's only MaxMSP: >> http://www.alexanderjharker.co.uk/Software.html >> >> But I'm sure someone here will know of a pd external >> for convolution (?) >> >> All the best, Peiman >> >> >> >> >> *www.peimankhosravi.co.uk >> http://www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS Feed >> http://peimankhosravi.co.uk/miscposts.rss || Concert >> News http://spectralkimia.wordpress.com/* >> >> On 25 October 2014 11:11, Jack jack@rybn.org wrote: >> >> Hello Peiman, >> >> Thanx for the links, it was instructive. Do you know >> where i could find Pd patch about impulse response ? >> ++ >> >> Jack >> >> >> >> Le 20/10/2014 17:38, peiman khosravi a écrit : >>>>> This might be of interest: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0waUi6qpf-k >>>>> >>>>> Also discussed here: >>>>> http://eprints.hud.ac.uk/14897/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> P >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *www.peimankhosravi.co.uk >>>>> http://www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS Feed >>>>> http://peimankhosravi.co.uk/miscposts.rss || >>>>> Concert News >>>>> http://spectralkimia.wordpress.com/* >>>>> >>>>> On 20 October 2014 16:30, Jack jack@rybn.org >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> I don't know a lot of things in this domain. I >>>>> just know that reflected source signals are >>>>> sensitive to the environment geometry and >>>>> materials and I would like to get the room >>>>> impulse response. Is there good informations >>>>> about this topic somewhere (web or help patch) ? >>>>> Is there an existing (simple) patch I can use to >>>>> understand the process ? Thanx. ++ >>>>> >>>>> Jack >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>>
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