Re-posting as my previous post got scrubbed - sorry, Thunderbird is convinced Pd-list archives are rich HTML. Doh. ;)
Anyway, I understand now - Chris is complaining generally about stability, not about vst~. It's troubling, but he's not going into specifics, so it's hard to know how to respond. I am genuinely curious about what's causing his troubles; I suspect it isn't his imagination, so that makes me wonder what the cause is.
As for the UI - well, I think everyone's aware of the situation there.
For audio interface setting persistence, I see that is now improved in Pd-extended; don't know if that's a patch worth making to Vanilla. It's a question that comes up a lot, and I don't know enough about the state of that feature, but I'd be curious to know.
Peter
It's a missed opportunity for everyone involved. Here was a developer of audio plugins with a lot of experience who could have provided a lot of valuable feedback, but chose not to do so. It doesn't take that much time to fire off the crash log to the list or post something on Sourceforge, plus he would have a lot more direct interaction with the Pd developers. Could have been a mutually beneficial relationship.
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Peter Kirn peter@createdigitalmedia.netwrote:
Re-posting as my previous post got scrubbed - sorry, Thunderbird is convinced Pd-list archives are rich HTML. Doh. ;)
Anyway, I understand now - Chris is complaining generally about stability, not about vst~. It's troubling, but he's not going into specifics, so it's hard to know how to respond. I am genuinely curious about what's causing his troubles; I suspect it isn't his imagination, so that makes me wonder what the cause is.
As for the UI - well, I think everyone's aware of the situation there.
For audio interface setting persistence, I see that is now improved in Pd-extended; don't know if that's a patch worth making to Vanilla. It's a question that comes up a lot, and I don't know enough about the state of that feature, but I'd be curious to know.
Peter
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I just emailed Chris to see if he would send along crash logs and info. Maybe some bugs will get fixed from this.
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:50 PM, chris clepper cgclepper@gmail.com wrote:
It's a missed opportunity for everyone involved. Here was a developer of audio plugins with a lot of experience who could have provided a lot of valuable feedback, but chose not to do so. It doesn't take that much time to fire off the crash log to the list or post something on Sourceforge, plus he would have a lot more direct interaction with the Pd developers. Could have been a mutually beneficial relationship.
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Peter Kirn peter@createdigitalmedia.netwrote:
Re-posting as my previous post got scrubbed - sorry, Thunderbird is convinced Pd-list archives are rich HTML. Doh. ;)
Anyway, I understand now - Chris is complaining generally about stability, not about vst~. It's troubling, but he's not going into specifics, so it's hard to know how to respond. I am genuinely curious about what's causing his troubles; I suspect it isn't his imagination, so that makes me wonder what the cause is.
As for the UI - well, I think everyone's aware of the situation there.
For audio interface setting persistence, I see that is now improved in Pd-extended; don't know if that's a patch worth making to Vanilla. It's a question that comes up a lot, and I don't know enough about the state of that feature, but I'd be curious to know.
Peter
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On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Peter Kirn wrote:
Anyway, I understand now - Chris is complaining generally about stability, not about vst~. It's troubling, but he's not going into specifics, so it's hard to know how to respond. I am genuinely curious about what's causing his troubles; I suspect it isn't his imagination, so that makes me wonder what the cause is.
As for the UI - well, I think everyone's aware of the situation there.
Randomly disappearing boxes, and generally, canvas appearance that stops reflecting canvas content — wasn't that a big WINDOWS®-only bug in Pd a few years ago ? No idea what the problem was. Does that still happen to anyone ?
For audio interface setting persistence, I see that is now improved in Pd-extended; don't know if that's a patch worth making to Vanilla.
The more difficult it is to apply patches to Vanilla, the less it's worth applying patches to Vanilla.
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Randomly disappearing boxes, and generally, canvas appearance that stops reflecting canvas content — wasn't that a big WINDOWS®-only bug in Pd a few years ago ? No idea what the problem was. Does that still happen to anyone ?
I've used Pd 99,9999% of my time in windows, and don't ever remember that
happening.
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, João Pais wrote:
Randomly disappearing boxes, and generally, canvas appearance that stops reflecting canvas content — wasn't that a big WINDOWS®-only bug in Pd a few years ago ? No idea what the problem was. Does that still happen to anyone ?
I've used Pd 99,9999% of my time in windows, and don't ever remember that happening.
Since what year ?
I think it was a fairly long time ago, although I do have a vague memory of having seen the problem much later and having been surprised, but that might have been simply because someone was using a very old version.
My guess is that it was something that got fixed in Pd 38 or so (2004), but that's a bit of a wild guess.
| Mathieu Bouchard ---- tél: +1.514.383.3801 ---- Villeray, Montréal, QC
I saw it quite recently.
A student showed me a patch where objects kept disappearing. IIRC it would have been on a Mac with OSX 10.6 running whatever was the extended release available end October 2010
I said is was probably a graphics bug and to reinstall. AFAIK it went away.
This is pure superstition and folklore, but I'm sure it had something to do with using [knob] objects. Just a feeling in my bones.
a.
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 14:21:23 -0500 (EST) Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca wrote:
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, João Pais wrote:
Randomly disappearing boxes, and generally, canvas appearance that stops reflecting canvas content — wasn't that a big WINDOWS®-only bug in Pd a few years ago ? No idea what the problem was. Does that still happen to anyone ?
I've used Pd 99,9999% of my time in windows, and don't ever remember that happening.
Since what year ?
I think it was a fairly long time ago, although I do have a vague memory of having seen the problem much later and having been surprised, but that might have been simply because someone was using a very old version.
My guess is that it was something that got fixed in Pd 38 or so (2004), but that's a bit of a wild guess.
| Mathieu Bouchard ---- tél: +1.514.383.3801 ---- Villeray, Montréal, QC
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Andy Farnell wrote:
This is pure superstition and folklore, but I'm sure it had something to do with using [knob] objects. Just a feeling in my bones.
Well, that's possibly a very good guess. Now if only someone could look at [knob]'s code, to find out what might be wrong with it...
Anything that uses sys_vgui() can be doing things wrong sometimes. For example, current sys_vgui() conventions can cause conflicting pointers in Win64, but there is no evidence that this ever happened. Afaict, this is a separate bug from the one you experienced, and from the windows bug that I've seen a long time ago. The Win64 bug is not easy to fix and it doesn't look like anyone will want to fix it anytime soon.
| Mathieu Bouchard ---- tél: +1.514.383.3801 ---- Villeray, Montréal, QC
Randomly disappearing boxes, and generally, canvas appearance that
stops reflecting canvas content — wasn't that a big WINDOWS®-only bug in Pd a few years ago ? No idea what the problem was. Does that still happen to anyone ?I've used Pd 99,9999% of my time in windows, and don't ever remember
that happening.Since what year ?
since the year I dropped max for windows, around 2004 or something.
between other reasons (OpS), max was crashing a lot, and only by looking
at a metro it was possible to see that it wasn't that regular at all. to
be fair, it was the first max version for windows, now is better.
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