Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Oct 8, 2007, at 2:19 PM, tim wrote:
Hello,
Since didn't see any Nederlands verison yet, here's my attempt at one:
Cool, so you want to be the "sysop" of the Nederlands site?
I wouldn't mind. I don't have much experience with this though... What exactly is expected of a "sysop" ?
# wikipedia terms $stub = "beg"; // i asked this on #wikipedia-nl, and they told me {{beg}} (with the curly braces). 'beg' is an abbreviation for 'begin'
Beginnetje is also used:
Ok Beginnetje it shall be then.
$template = "sjabloon"; $category = "categorie"; $infobox = "infobox";
# pdpedia terms $objectclass = "objectklasse";
# page headers $inlets = "ingangen"; $outlets = "uitgangen"; $arguments = "argumenten"; $messages = "berichten"; // could be 'boodschappen' too, but that sounds a bit wierd to me, as that also means 'arrands'.
# infobox $name = "naam"; $description = "beschrijving"; // can also be 'omschrijving' $abbreviation = "afkorting"; $library = "bibliotheek"; $author = "auteur"; $developer = "ontwikkelaar"; $releaseVersion = "versie"; just 'releasedate' ? $dependencies = "vereisten"; // translated freely as 'requirements' here, maybe there's a better word but it doesnt spring to mind now $license = "licentie"; $website = "website";
$releaseDate = "uitgebrachtOp"; // or 'gepubliceerdOp' ? or 'vrijgegevenOp? or $programmingLanguage = "programmeerTaal"; $operatingSystem = "besturingsSysteem"; $dataType = "dataType";
"camel case" isn't used in wikipedia (unless that's a Dutch spelling convention). In English, following wikipedia, these are:
I thought it was camel case in the original mail...
correction:
Release date : Uitgebracht op Programming language : Programmeertaal (one word) Operating system : Besturingssysteem (one word) Data type : Data type
gr, Tim
.hc
comments and suggestions from dutch speakers welcome !
Tim
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(tried to send this an hour ago, but seems like it didn't get through. sorry if you receive it twice)
Hi Tim & all!
my 50c on the Duch translations you proposed..
$arguments = "argumenten";
maybe "parameters" is better here. if i hear "argumenten" in Dutch i rather think of arguments like in a discussion
$messages = "berichten"; // could be 'boodschappen' too, but that sounds a bit wierd to me, as that also means 'arrands'.
i think "berichten" definitely sounds better
$dependencies = "vereisten"; // translated freely as 'requirements' here, maybe there's a better word but it doesnt spring to mind now
if i read "vereisten" in Dutch i wouldn't think of dependencies the way it's used in computer programming. maybe the literal translation "afhankelijkheden"? sounds a bit ugly but i think it's more clear
$releaseDate = "uitgebrachtOp"; // or 'gepubliceerdOp' ? or 'vrijgegevenOp? or
"datum van uitgave" ? - i think it's better to stick to a noun..
$programmingLanguage = "programmeerTaal"; $operatingSystem = "besturingsSysteem"; $dataType = "dataType";
"camel case" isn't used in wikipedia (unless that's a Dutch spelling convention). In English, following wikipedia, these are:
it are all existing words which you normally write i one word in dutch, so you can just drop the camelcase..
groetjes,
Kristof
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Hi Kristof,
(tried to send this an hour ago, but seems like it didn't get through. sorry if you receive it twice)
I have this too with pd-list, sometimes it takes more than an hour for my mail to appear.
$arguments = "argumenten";
maybe "parameters" is better here. if i hear "argumenten" in Dutch i rather think of arguments like in a discussion
I'm not sure about that, because not all 'parameters' can be given as creation arguments. For example: afaik an [phasor~] can get its frequency from an argument, but the phase is a parameter that can only be set from its right inlet. To me, 'parameters' also includes things that can only be set via inlets while 'argumenten' is more specificaly the stuff you can put in an object box to the right of the object name. The 'discussie' metaphor is not so wrong: you say 'this object should exist' and as arguments you can say more specifically how and why...just like when you have an 'argument' over something. But that's just my idea... My vote is to let the entry $arguments = "argumenten"; as is below, feel free to adapt.
$messages = "berichten"; // could be 'boodschappen' too, but that sounds a bit wierd to me, as that also means 'arrands'.
i think "berichten" definitely sounds better
$dependencies = "vereisten"; // translated freely as 'requirements' here, maybe there's a better word but it doesnt spring to mind now
if i read "vereisten" in Dutch i wouldn't think of dependencies the way it's used in computer programming. maybe the literal translation "afhankelijkheden"? sounds a bit ugly but i think it's more clear
$releaseDate = "uitgebrachtOp"; // or 'gepubliceerdOp' ? or 'vrijgegevenOp? or
"datum van uitgave" ? - i think it's better to stick to a noun..
# wikipedia terms $stub = "Beginnetje"; $template = "Sjabloon"; $category = "Categorie"; $infobox = "Infobox";
# pdpedia terms $objectclass = "Objectklasse";
# page headers $inlets = "Ingangen"; $outlets = "Uitgangen"; $arguments = "Argumenten"; $messages = "Berichten";
# infobox $name = "Naam"; $description = "Beschrijving"; $abbreviation = "Afkorting"; $library = "Bibliotheek"; $author = "Auteur"; $developer = "Ontwikkelaar"; $releaseVersion = "Versie"; $releaseDate = "Datum van uitgave"; // too bad 'uitgavedatum' isn't in the dictionary...or is mine incomplete ? $dependencies = "Afhankelijkheden"; $license = "Licentie"; $website = "Website"; $programmingLanguage = "Programmeertaal"; $platform = "Platform"; $operatingSystem = "Besturingssysteem"; $language = "Taal"; $dataType = "Data type"; $distributions = "Distributies";
Tim
hi
tim wrote:
Hi Kristof,
(tried to send this an hour ago, but seems like it didn't get through. sorry if you receive it twice)
I have this too with pd-list, sometimes it takes more than an hour for my mail to appear.
hey guys, i hope you are aware that a mailing-list is an asynchronous medium. mails can take several hours to be delivered. this is _normal_ behaviour. just because emails often go through faster than that, does not mean that you should rely on that. after all, it's a complicated internet.
so if you are interested, where the delivery slows down, you should have a look at the email-headers. e.g.::
Delivery-date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:05:50 +0200
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this tells us, that kristof sent his email at 11:34, that it was relayed within virtually zero time to hoboe1bl1.telenet-ops.be, where it waited for 3.5hours to be delivered to iem.kug.ac.at there are various reasons why this happens: e.g.
- server load: if the sending server has a huge queue of emails, your
email will be delivered after all these are delivered
- server load: if the receiving server is currently under heavy load, it
may not be able to immediately accept the email (it's the age of spam...)
- anti spam measurements: to drastically reduce the amount of spam,
greylisting is an established technique; this means that the receiver will not immediately accept an email; the sender will have to retry after a certain period (which spammers often don't!); this however means, that we are back to the start, the senders queue has to be worked through again,... the iem is happy to use greylisting
finally, the mailing list server took another 15minutes to send the email; after all pd-list has more than 1000 subscribers...
mfa.sdr IOhannes
At 06:15 PM 10/10/2007, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
hi
tim wrote:
Hi Kristof,
(tried to send this an hour ago, but seems like it didn't get through. sorry if you receive it twice)
I have this too with pd-list, sometimes it takes more than an hour for my mail to appear.
hey guys, i hope you are aware that a mailing-list is an asynchronous medium.
Thanks for the lesson and sorry for the impatience - guess i''ve gotten too used to mails getting through in a couple of seconds..
kristof
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Ok, I created the NL pdpedia:
Tim, you are the "emergency contact". I don't really know what that
means, but it seems to be a required field in the setup. Create an
account in the NL wiki, and I'll make it a "sysop" and "bureaucrat".
Feel free to edit it now, when we do the import, it won't delete
anything, it'll just add new revisions. Also, the template import
will only affect pages that are about objects.
.hc
On Oct 10, 2007, at 11:52 AM, tim wrote:
Hi Kristof,
(tried to send this an hour ago, but seems like it didn't get
through. sorry if you receive it twice)I have this too with pd-list, sometimes it takes more than an hour for my mail to appear.
$arguments = "argumenten";
maybe "parameters" is better here. if i hear "argumenten" in Dutch i rather think of arguments like in a discussion
I'm not sure about that, because not all 'parameters' can be given as creation arguments. For example: afaik an [phasor~] can get its frequency from an
argument, but the phase is a parameter that can only be set from its right
inlet. To me, 'parameters' also includes things that can only be set via
inlets while 'argumenten' is more specificaly the stuff you can put in an object box to the right of the object name. The 'discussie' metaphor is not so wrong: you say 'this object should exist' and as arguments you can say more specifically how and
why...just like when you have an 'argument' over something. But that's just my idea... My vote is to let the entry $arguments = "argumenten"; as is below, feel free to adapt.$messages = "berichten"; // could be 'boodschappen' too, but that sounds a bit wierd to me, as that also means 'arrands'.
i think "berichten" definitely sounds better
$dependencies = "vereisten"; // translated freely as 'requirements' here, maybe there's a better word but it doesnt spring to mind now
if i read "vereisten" in Dutch i wouldn't think of dependencies the way it's used in computer programming. maybe the literal translation "afhankelijkheden"? sounds a bit ugly but i think it's more clear
$releaseDate = "uitgebrachtOp"; // or 'gepubliceerdOp' ? or 'vrijgegevenOp? or
"datum van uitgave" ? - i think it's better to stick to a noun..
# wikipedia terms $stub = "Beginnetje"; $template = "Sjabloon"; $category = "Categorie"; $infobox = "Infobox";
# pdpedia terms $objectclass = "Objectklasse";
# page headers $inlets = "Ingangen"; $outlets = "Uitgangen"; $arguments = "Argumenten"; $messages = "Berichten";
# infobox $name = "Naam"; $description = "Beschrijving"; $abbreviation = "Afkorting"; $library = "Bibliotheek"; $author = "Auteur"; $developer = "Ontwikkelaar"; $releaseVersion = "Versie"; $releaseDate = "Datum van uitgave"; // too bad 'uitgavedatum'
isn't in the dictionary...or is mine incomplete ? $dependencies = "Afhankelijkheden"; $license = "Licentie"; $website = "Website"; $programmingLanguage = "Programmeertaal"; $platform = "Platform"; $operatingSystem = "Besturingssysteem"; $language = "Taal"; $dataType = "Data type"; $distributions = "Distributies";Tim
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Hi,
$arguments = "argumenten";
maybe "parameters" is better here. if i hear "argumenten" in Dutch i rather think of arguments like in a discussion
I'm not sure about that, because not all 'parameters' can be given as creation arguments.
Makes sense.. so, ok we can keep the "argumenten"
$dataType = "Data type";
i think it's better to make this one word. my dictionary doesn't know the word "Datatype" , but the Dutch wikipedia does ;)
# wikipedia terms $stub = "Beginnetje"; $template = "Sjabloon"; $category = "Categorie"; $infobox = "Infobox";
# pdpedia terms $objectclass = "Objectklasse";
# page headers $inlets = "Ingangen"; $outlets = "Uitgangen"; $arguments = "Argumenten"; $messages = "Berichten";
# infobox $name = "Naam"; $description = "Beschrijving"; $abbreviation = "Afkorting"; $library = "Bibliotheek"; $author = "Auteur"; $developer = "Ontwikkelaar"; $releaseVersion = "Versie"; $releaseDate = "Datum van uitgave"; // too bad 'uitgavedatum' isn't in the dictionary...or is mine incomplete ? $dependencies = "Afhankelijkheden"; $license = "Licentie"; $website = "Website"; $programmingLanguage = "Programmeertaal"; $platform = "Platform"; $operatingSystem = "Besturingssysteem"; $language = "Taal"; $dataType = "Datatype"; $distributions = "Distributies";
greetings,
kristof
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http://kristoflauwers.domainepublic.net http://myspace.com/xofxof ____________________________________
It seems that the talk on this one has died down. There is one word
which I forgot to include, "status", like this: http://
wiki.puredata.info/en/Status
Other than that, is this one ready to go?
# wikipedia terms $stub = "Beginnetje"; $template = "Sjabloon"; $category = "Categorie"; $infobox = "Infobox";
# pdpedia terms $objectclass = "Objectklasse";
# page headers $inlets = "Ingangen"; $outlets = "Uitgangen"; $arguments = "Argumenten"; $messages = "Berichten";
# infobox $name = "Naam"; $description = "Beschrijving"; $abbreviation = "Afkorting"; $library = "Bibliotheek"; $author = "Auteur"; $developer = "Ontwikkelaar"; $releaseVersion = "Versie"; $releaseDate = "Datum van uitgave"; // too bad 'uitgavedatum'
isn't in the dictionary...or is mine incomplete ? $dependencies = "Afhankelijkheden"; $license = "Licentie"; $website = "Website"; $programmingLanguage = "Programmeertaal"; $platform = "Platform"; $operatingSystem = "Besturingssysteem"; $language = "Taal"; $dataType = "Data type"; $distributions = "Distributies";
Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick. - David Zicarelli
Hi Tim,
Ik ben langzaamaan alle help-patchen van Pd-vanilla in het nederlands aan het vertalen (voor mijn leerlingen), je kan die patch hier vinden:
http://home.versateladsl.be/hanstine/hans/help-intro-nl.pd
Ik pas dat bestand dan wel aan zodat we dezelfde vertaling/termen gebruiken, ik wil wel helpen met de vertalingen op pd-pedia.
groeten, hans
At 16:52 10/10/2007, you wrote:
Hi Kristof,
(tried to send this an hour ago, but seems like it didn't get through. sorry if you receive it twice)
I have this too with pd-list, sometimes it takes more than an hour for my mail to appear.
$arguments = "argumenten";
maybe "parameters" is better here. if i hear "argumenten" in Dutch i rather think of arguments like in a discussion
I'm not sure about that, because not all 'parameters' can be given as creation arguments. For example: afaik an [phasor~] can get its frequency from an argument, but the phase is a parameter that can only be set from its right inlet. To me, 'parameters' also includes things that can only be set via inlets while 'argumenten' is more specificaly the stuff you can put in an object box to the right of the object name. The 'discussie' metaphor is not so wrong: you say 'this object should exist' and as arguments you can say more specifically how and why...just like when you have an 'argument' over something. But that's just my idea... My vote is to let the entry $arguments = "argumenten"; as is below, feel free to adapt.
$messages = "berichten"; // could be 'boodschappen' too, but that sounds a bit wierd to me, as that also means 'arrands'.
i think "berichten" definitely sounds better
$dependencies = "vereisten"; // translated freely as 'requirements' here, maybe there's a better word but it doesnt spring to mind now
if i read "vereisten" in Dutch i wouldn't think of dependencies the way it's used in computer programming. maybe the literal translation "afhankelijkheden"? sounds a bit ugly but i think it's more clear
$releaseDate = "uitgebrachtOp"; // or 'gepubliceerdOp' ? or 'vrijgegevenOp? or
"datum van uitgave" ? - i think it's better to stick to a noun..
# wikipedia terms $stub = "Beginnetje"; $template = "Sjabloon"; $category = "Categorie"; $infobox = "Infobox";
# pdpedia terms $objectclass = "Objectklasse";
# page headers $inlets = "Ingangen"; $outlets = "Uitgangen"; $arguments = "Argumenten"; $messages = "Berichten";
# infobox $name = "Naam"; $description = "Beschrijving"; $abbreviation = "Afkorting"; $library = "Bibliotheek"; $author = "Auteur"; $developer = "Ontwikkelaar"; $releaseVersion = "Versie"; $releaseDate = "Datum van uitgave"; // too bad 'uitgavedatum' isn't in the dictionary...or is mine incomplete ? $dependencies = "Afhankelijkheden"; $license = "Licentie"; $website = "Website"; $programmingLanguage = "Programmeertaal"; $platform = "Platform"; $operatingSystem = "Besturingssysteem"; $language = "Taal"; $dataType = "Data type"; $distributions = "Distributies";
Tim
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