The flossmanuals are very good place to start. You can browse the help files with mtl help browser -> Click help menu -> browser-> 5.reference->mtl-> 1.mtlBrowser.pd, this patch classifies help files in diferent subjects.

2010/1/10 Stephen Lucas s9lucas@gmail.com:

I generally use the flossmanuals page http://en.flossmanuals.net/PureData/ObjListIntroduction#

I'm not sure how complete the list is, but I generally go to the page of the category I think I'm looking for and use find in the web browser to look for a key word in the function description.

-Stephen

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Matteo Sisti Sette matteosistisette@gmail.com wrote:

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Hi,

I am new to PD Extended.

Is there some complete and reasonably-easy-to-search "reference"?

With Vanilla, I am used to having ALL objects in one patch, organized by category; also, help patches usually have "see also" links to related objects.

With Extended, I feel like I don't even know where to start from when looking for an object that does something...

Is there anything better than PDPedia?

thanks m.

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there is no complete, up to date list. and until all developers agree to
some standard, there won't be.

I was the one to put up the flossmanual list page, wich is a smaller
version of the file in my pd member page,
http://puredata.info/Members/jmmmp. maybe in the next flossmanual sprint
there might be a new version of this list - which is made through
copy-paste, so as you can imagine, it takes a while.

I generally use the flossmanuals page http://en.flossmanuals.net/PureData/ObjListIntroduction#

I'm not sure how complete the list is, but I generally go to the page of
the category I think I'm looking for and use find in the web browser to look
for a key word in the function description.

Actually, it could happen if someone just does it... I think its more a
matter of someone doing the work than anything.

you mean, of someone putting all files in a list (as I tried to do), or
tagging them (of course, after the tagging process has been discussed ad
eternum on the pd-dev list)? one person can could do one of those once (if he has really nothing to
do), but can one person maintain it undefinitely? or would be better to
make developers take responsibility for that, as well as for clear enough
documentation?

as I don't believe in clear solution happening just out of good will (no
one even knows how many externals exist in Pd-ext), I would suggest a
peer-review process: only after another developer has "evalued" and
checked the code+doc on a given system would the given externals would be
inserted into Pd-ext.

João

My point is that there are lots of ideas of how to make this happen, but
not enough people leading the effort.

I think it has also to do with organisation, and with agreement with the
community - that is, avoiding one. It might be eaiser to get things done
if you tell people what to do, than to wait for a community sollution.

There might be 2 ways to do this:

• organise the developers for a know format on how to give in their work,

and which conditions might apply [for now there are no conditions other
than submitting to svn]

• don't organise anything (besides svn commit), and just leave for the

goodwill of one individual (or maybe a couple at the most) in a
non-sistematic way (i.e. in the free time of one's free time) to make an
ad hoc effort now and then to keep documentation up to date. [an
impossible task]

Or I give you an idea: block compilation for all externals that are buggy
or/and have no documentation (including a pdpedia entry, if you want).
Until another developer than the code creator votes for it, it doesn't get
included. I cannot program that myself, but I offer to review
externals/abstrs in the ubuntu and windows platforms.

As I am not a programmer, I cannot say on how it works with other
programming languages with open development - also importing a working
model from any should work.

João